Trades?

[mvp 78]

Any past examples?

 

2023:

 

“There were conversations between Chaim and some players, talking about what they thought was needed,” Cora said. “At this time, everybody is a GM, right? I read quotes that we need an arm, I read quotes that we need offensive players. That’s part of it. … At the end of the day, this is where we’re at.

 

“This is the team that we have, and there’s some good news coming up. Chris [sale] throwing yesterday, Trevor [story] is playing a day game after a night game today, we’re excited about that. They’ve got to do their job in the end, that’s the most important thing.”

 

2022:

 

“Well, I mean, it’s like on New Year’s Eve, 3, 2, 1, fireworks. We get a phone call [that the Deadline is past] and here we go. There’s a lot of excitement,” Red Sox manager Alex Cora said Tuesday. “For how down we were yesterday, there’s a lot of people excited in the clubhouse about keeping some of these guys to make a push. We trust the team. We trust this group. Been there, done that, and now we’ve just got to play good baseball for two and a half months.”

 

Alex Cora is a company man. He wasn't throwing anyone under the bus or really speaking out directly on anything.

[mvp 78]

You're leaving out 2021.

 

I was just stating why people are skeptical. Over two straight years of mediocre production from what was supposed to be a top prospect whose main tool was his hit tool.

 

I'm not stating he's never done it or can't do it in the future.

[Hugh2]

I was just stating why people are skeptical. Over two straight years of mediocre production from what was supposed to be a top prospect whose main tool was his hit tool.

 

I'm not stating he's never done it or can't do it in the future.

 

Oh I know, I'm just adding because of how good he looked prior it made things look even worse. I'm rooting for the kid, but very skeptical on his future with this team.

[Bellhorn04]

2023:

 

“There were conversations between Chaim and some players, talking about what they thought was needed,” Cora said. “At this time, everybody is a GM, right? I read quotes that we need an arm, I read quotes that we need offensive players. That’s part of it. … At the end of the day, this is where we’re at.

 

“This is the team that we have, and there’s some good news coming up. Chris [sale] throwing yesterday, Trevor [story] is playing a day game after a night game today, we’re excited about that. They’ve got to do their job in the end, that’s the most important thing.”

 

2022:

 

“Well, I mean, it’s like on New Year’s Eve, 3, 2, 1, fireworks. We get a phone call [that the Deadline is past] and here we go. There’s a lot of excitement,” Red Sox manager Alex Cora said Tuesday. “For how down we were yesterday, there’s a lot of people excited in the clubhouse about keeping some of these guys to make a push. We trust the team. We trust this group. Been there, done that, and now we’ve just got to play good baseball for two and a half months.”

 

Alex Cora is a company man. He wasn't throwing anyone under the bus or really speaking out directly on anything.

 

Sorry, I made you do that work for nothing. I was asking moon for examples of deadline trades that involved "getting good talent without giving up better prospects by taking on bloated contracts."

[mvp 78]

Sorry, I made you do that work for nothing. I was asking moon for examples of deadline trades that involved "getting good talent without giving up better prospects by taking on bloated contracts."

 

Bloated contract deals... That's a horse of a different color. I'll leave that one for moon.

[mvp 78]

Oh I know, I'm just adding because of how good he looked prior it made things look even worse. I'm rooting for the kid, but very skeptical on his future with this team.

 

He looked good for one season. The fall off was rough. He kept changing with his swing in part due to various injuries. There has been cause for concern. I don't really see "Yorke hate" that notin mentioned. I think it's ok to talk about the faults of various prospects and the likelihood that they get traded prior to Rule 5 drafts. I'm glad that he's turning things around in AAA, but he'll need to do it over a longer time period that a few weeks to really reclaim his value.

[notin]

Sorry, I made you do that work for nothing. I was asking moon for examples of deadline trades that involved "getting good talent without giving up better prospects by taking on bloated contracts."

 

Technically you should be able to if you take the whole contract.

 

The Mets did fairly well pawning off Scherzer and Verlander by getting BA Top 100 prospects Luisangel Acuna and Drew Gilbert. But they also included some $85mill in cash. Had they not included the cash, safe bet those prospects are not headlining those respective trades…

[notin]

He looked good for one season. The fall off was rough. He kept changing with his swing in part due to various injuries. There has been cause for concern. I don't really see "Yorke hate" that notin mentioned. I think it's ok to talk about the faults of various prospects and the likelihood that they get traded prior to Rule 5 drafts. I'm glad that he's turning things around in AAA, but he'll need to do it over a longer time period that a few weeks to really reclaim his value.

 

I’ve seen some Yorke Hate. I’ll highlight it when it comes up.

 

Randy Red Sox is a notorious Yorke Hater, for example…

[mvp 78]

I’ve seen some Yorke Hate. I’ll highlight it when it comes up.

 

Randy Red Sox is a notorious Yorke Hater, for example…

 

You read those posts?

[Hugh2]

I’ve seen some Yorke Hate. I’ll highlight it when it comes up.

 

Randy Red Sox is a notorious Yorke Hater, for example…

 

Yeah but Randy is one of those guys who sees first round pick and then scouts the box scores.

[notin]

Yeah but Randy is one of those guys who sees first round pick and then scouts the box scores.

 

Did I ever say Yorke Hate was among the metrics crowd? He’s not alone in that evaluation tactic…

[notin]

You read those posts?

 

Yes. I’m not proud of it…

[moonslav59]

Any past examples?

 

Aldi Ramirez for Schwarber?

 

Iggy for Peavy

 

Espinal for Pearce

 

Beers for Nate

[mvp 78]

Aldi Ramirez for Schwarber?

 

Iggy for Peavy

 

Espinal for Pearce

 

Beers for Nate

 

Which of these contracts is a bloated contract?

[Hugh2]

Did I ever say Yorke Hate was among the metrics crowd? He’s not alone in that evaluation tactic…

 

The further from being a finished product a prospect is, the more useless stats are to evaluate them.

[moonslav59]

Which of these contracts is a bloated contract?

 

The high salary reduced the return value.

 

Bloated was a bad choice of words

[Hugh2]

What can we realistically get for Pivetta & Jansen?

 

We could maybe add O'Neill and Martin, if they are showing value, or even McGuire, if a team needs a catcher or back-up catcher.

 

Maybe a package of Pivetta, Jansen and McGuire can get us a decent ML ready prospect or two.

 

We could probably trade those guys for a prospect package that we could flip for a nice #3 #4 starting pitcher who is a rental, a nice late inning arm who is a rental and maybe a back up catcher.

[notin]

Jeff McNeil and Kodai Senga for

 

Josh Winckowski

Masataka Yoshida

Nick Yorke

Marvin Alcantara

 

 

Who says no?

 

Me.

 

Senga is hurt and hasn’t pitched yet in 2024. McNeil is another lefty hitting 2b, where the Sox need a RHH bat, preferably at shortstop…

[notin]

We could probably trade those guys for a prospect package that we could flip for a nice #3 #4 starting pitcher who is a rental, a nice late inning arm who is a rental and maybe a back up catcher.

 

The Sox have Hendriks rehabbing shortly, and he will basically be a free deadline add. Why do we need a backup catcher?

[Hugh2]

Me.

 

Senga is hurt and hasn’t pitched yet in 2024. McNeil is another lefty hitting 2b, where the Sox need a RHH bat, preferably at shortstop…

 

I deleted this, because for some reason I thought McNeil was RH, but I was actually thinking of reposting it again. Yeah he's not the righty you want but you take Msataka off the roster and replace him with a guy who fills in more of a hole.

 

Senga is reportedly starting a rehab assignment soon, so he's a guy who could really add to the top of your rotation potentially going down the stretch. Yorke gives them an up the middle prospect for them at 2nd, and Alcantara gives them upside.

[Hugh2]

The Sox have Hendriks rehabbing shortly, and he will basically be a free deadline add. Why do we need a backup catcher?

 

It was a joke.

[notin]

It was a joke.

 

Oh.

[notin]

I deleted this, because for some reason I thought McNeil was RH, but I was actually thinking of reposting it again. Yeah he's not the righty you want but you take Msataka off the roster and replace him with a guy who fills in more of a hole.

 

Senga is reportedly starting a rehab assignment soon, so he's a guy who could really add to the top of your rotation potentially going down the stretch. Yorke gives them an up the middle prospect for them at 2nd, and Alcantara gives them upside.

 

I’m sticking with my little wishlist of Tyler Anderson for the mound and Paul DeJong as a RHH glove at shortstop…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"Bloated contract" just conjures a morning jogger on the beach, running over a sand dune and abruptly hitting the brakes... revolted by the discovery of a stapled pack of papers, saturated and puffed from salt water, wrapped in seaweed, with little crabs crawling out of the margins -- dead money.

 

A statement by spokesman Sam Kanofpeas cited the coroner's report, edited by John Henry: "Cause of death: acute fan expectations."

[mvp 78]

Aldi Ramirez for Schwarber?

 

Iggy for Peavy

 

Espinal for Pearce

 

Beers for Nate

 

@SamDykstraMiLB

Here's one for #Nats fans:

 

Aldo Ramirez has joined Single-A Fredericksburg on a rehab assignment.

 

The right-hander was acquired for Kyle Schwarber in July 2021, underwent TJ in 2022 and has yet to pitch for a Washington full-season club ... until now.

[Hugh2]

Oh.

 

Yes, my wish list consisted of trading for exactly what we traded away.

 

If we want to make a playoff run this year, we'd want another starter, another reliever, one of those at least.....and a RHB.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yes, my wish list consisted of trading for exactly what we traded away.

 

If we want to make a playoff run this year, we'd want another starter, another reliever, one of those at least.....and a RHB.

 

A team serious about the '24 postseason could do a lot worse than taking Bichette and Bassitt off the payroll of last-place Toronto.

 

Bichette has been nagged by injuries this year, but is only 26, and one of the best RHH available. He's only due $17.5 mil next year -- in comparison, Trevor Story, already 31, is owed over $100 mil by Boston.

 

Bassitt, who the Sox should've signed last year before he led the AL in games started and wins, is old but reliable, and a lot cheaper than Berrios and Gausman (who the Jays would probably love to dump, as well).

[mvp 78]

Are the Jays giving up on this year or the next 3 years?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Are the Jays giving up on this year or the next 3 years?

 

If they trade bad Vlad at age 25 -- like some in the media are speculating -- it's gotta be a full rebuild.

 

Even if he looks like he'll morph into Prince (not a good) Fielder before he turns 30...

[Bellhorn04]

Aldi Ramirez for Schwarber?

 

Iggy for Peavy

 

Espinal for Pearce

 

Beers for Nate

 

Eovaldi's 2018 salary was $2 million.