Trades?

[Dipre]

I’ve never understood what this is supposed to mean.

 

I see the points about Hamilton. Just not sure why those would only appeal to the Red Sox…

 

In short, the Sox need him more than what he could potentially return in a trade (in my opinion).

[notin]

In short, the Sox need him more than what he could potentially return in a trade (in my opinion).

 

Ok. Thanks for the clarification. And I would agree with it as well…

[moonslav59]

In short, the Sox need him more than what he could potentially return in a trade (in my opinion).

 

In theory, Hamilton plus Meidroth would bring back a better SS than what each of those two alone are worth.

[Old Red]

The Yankees are 2-8 in their last ten games, and if they look in their rearview mirror the Red Sox are getting a lot closer with 4 games out in the loss column. Could be an interesting series coming up, and also the rest of July. No it’s not a sham, sham, sham like I heard it called all offseason. Buyers vs sellers, and the future is now. Anyone still think the Red Sox should be selling off some expiring contracts?

[Larry Cook]

In theory, Hamilton plus Meidroth would bring back a better SS than what each of those two alone are worth.

 

I am not trading Hamilton. And if we acquire anything at the major league level, I hope it is pitching

[Maxbialystock]

I am not trading Hamilton. And if we acquire anything at the major league level, I hope it is pitching

 

I don't think Hamilton is that good, but agree now is the wrong time to trade him. Also agree pitching is the key need. However, Breslow, a former MLB pitcher, appears to know little about acquiring or keeping good pitchers. Exit Sale, enter Giolito????!!!!!

[Old Red]

Cora asked why stop at just getting the 3rd wildcard spot, which the Red Sox now occupies. They are now 1 game back of that second wildcard spot, and only 4 games back of that 1st wildcard spot both in the loss column. There is only one way to go now, and that’s Full Throttle ahead.

[Dipre]

In theory, Hamilton plus Meidroth would bring back a better SS than what each of those two alone are worth.

 

But then you just traded Hamilton and a good prospect for at most, an average SS.

[Hugh2]

But then you just traded Hamilton and a good prospect for at most, an average SS.

 

Theres' so much that has to happen for that to work.

 

A lot of people view Hamilton as a utility infielder/speedbench bat, Medidroth is a middling prospect with minor league production but serious questions about having the ability to impact the baseball at the MLB level.

 

That's not worthless, but just think if you were getting those two guys in return what you'd be willing to give up?

 

Now, said team has to believe in the upside of those guys, and have an extra 40 man spot available to carry an extra guy who will have to be carried on a 40 man.

 

The odds of those stars aligning are slim.

 

Hypothetically Hamilton + Yorke gets you Tristan Casas. I would never make that trade.

 

Now, if we are talking about a rental, that's a different story, but I wonder if a prospect that offers the flexibility of not needing to be added to the 40 man this offseason as being more valuable to a team. POSSIBLY, again stars must always align.

 

For example. I think Hamilton/Romero might actually be more enticing, yes Romero isn't ranked as high but a team has the luxury of being able to keep him off the 40 man, develop him and see if he can become what comes along with a first round draft pick shine.

[Hugh2]

BTV Accepts this trade.

 

Dansby Swanson +$20 million for Masataka Yoshida/Nick Yorke

[Hugh2]

Brandon Walter/Juan Chicon for Paul DeJong also is an accepted deal.

 

Nick Sogard for Brandon Drury + $2 million cash

[Maxbialystock]

The Yankees are 2-8 in their last ten games, and if they look in their rearview mirror the Red Sox are getting a lot closer with 4 games out in the loss column. Could be an interesting series coming up, and also the rest of July. No it’s not a sham, sham, sham like I heard it called all offseason. Buyers vs sellers, and the future is now. Anyone still think the Red Sox should be selling off some expiring contracts?

 

Excuse me? Haven't you been discounting and raging against this Sox team the entire season?

[Hugh2]

Obviouslyl I'm focused on adding a RHH middle infielder. After that we almost definitely need some pitching, I know there's some talk of buying and selling at the same time, I'd rather trade Martin than Jansen, but I'd certianly look at add a starter.

 

If this team is playing in October, they could really use another starter.

[Maxbialystock]

Theres' so much that has to happen for that to work.

 

A lot of people view Hamilton as a utility infielder/speedbench bat, Medidroth is a middling prospect with minor league production but serious questions about having the ability to impact the baseball at the MLB level.

 

That's not worthless, but just think if you were getting those two guys in return what you'd be willing to give up?

 

Now, said team has to believe in the upside of those guys, and have an extra 40 man spot available to carry an extra guy who will have to be carried on a 40 man.

 

The odds of those stars aligning are slim.

 

Hypothetically Hamilton + Yorke gets you Tristan Casas. I would never make that trade.

 

Now, if we are talking about a rental, that's a different story, but I wonder if a prospect that offers the flexibility of not needing to be added to the 40 man this offseason as being more valuable to a team. POSSIBLY, again stars must always align.

 

For example. I think Hamilton/Romero might actually be more enticing, yes Romero isn't ranked as high but a team has the luxury of being able to keep him off the 40 man, develop him and see if he can become what comes along with a first round draft pick shine.

 

Need to keep Hamilton and absolutely not make a deal for another SS when we have Story--for whatever he might still be worth--due back next season and Mayer possibly headed to Boston this season.

 

Someone else said the above before I did. I'm just agreeing.

[Maxbialystock]

In theory, Hamilton plus Meidroth would bring back a better SS than what each of those two alone are worth.

 

Bad theory. Awful. Keep Hamilton. Keep Gonzalez as backup. Expect Story and Mayer to show up before this decade is out.

[Hugh2]

Need to keep Hamilton and absolutely not make a deal for another SS when we have Story--for whatever he might still be worth--due back next season and Mayer possibly headed to Boston this season.

 

Someone else said the above before I did. I'm just agreeing.

 

Story is out for the year, if you could find a RHB that can play up the middle and is a rental, why shouldn't we consider it?

[Bellhorn04]

Story is out for the year, if you could find a RHB that can play up the middle and is a rental, why shouldn't we consider it?

 

They do have Gonzalez and Grissom.

[Hugh2]

They do have Gonzalez and Grissom.

 

Better keep those duck boats hot!!!!

[Hugh2]

Want to go big?

 

Marcelo Mayer/Yoenis Cespedes/Angel Bastardo

 

for

 

Garrett Crochet.

[Maxbialystock]

Story is out for the year, if you could find a RHB that can play up the middle and is a rental, why shouldn't we consider it?

 

Story was never, ever a good righty bat for the Sox. In 3 seasons he has 19 dingers and an cumulative OPS under .700. Good field, no hit since he showed up in Boston, which means his $140M for 6 years was wasted. What we miss are Duvall and Turner.

 

But I agree a righty bat would definitely help. I think overall weakness from the right side is why the Sox have a losing record at Fenway.

 

So why not at 1B?

 

Relatedly, here are the current Sox OPS's at Fenway: Devers .983; Casas .980; Duran .891; Valdez .878; Wong .804; Abreu .783; O'Neill .776; Yoshida .682; Smith .677; Refsnyder .669; Rafaela .654; Hamilton .609; Gonzalez .607; McGuire .307.

[Dipre]

Theres' so much that has to happen for that to work.

 

A lot of people view Hamilton as a utility infielder/speedbench bat, Medidroth is a middling prospect with minor league production but serious questions about having the ability to impact the baseball at the MLB level.

 

That's not worthless, but just think if you were getting those two guys in return what you'd be willing to give up?

 

Now, said team has to believe in the upside of those guys, and have an extra 40 man spot available to carry an extra guy who will have to be carried on a 40 man.

 

The odds of those stars aligning are slim.

 

Hypothetically Hamilton + Yorke gets you Tristan Casas. I would never make that trade.

 

Now, if we are talking about a rental, that's a different story, but I wonder if a prospect that offers the flexibility of not needing to be added to the 40 man this offseason as being more valuable to a team. POSSIBLY, again stars must always align.

 

For example. I think Hamilton/Romero might actually be more enticing, yes Romero isn't ranked as high but a team has the luxury of being able to keep him off the 40 man, develop him and see if he can become what comes along with a first round draft pick shine.

 

My post didn't mean what you think it means.

[Hugh2]

I thought you were saying that prospect package wouldn’t bring you back anything more than a marginal upgrade at best.

[Hugh2]

Story was never, ever a good righty bat for the Sox. In 3 seasons he has 19 dingers and an cumulative OPS under .700. Good field, no hit since he showed up in Boston, which means his $140M for 6 years was wasted. What we miss are Duvall and Turner.

 

But I agree a righty bat would definitely help. I think overall weakness from the right side is why the Sox have a losing record at Fenway.

 

So why not at 1B?

 

Relatedly, here are the current Sox OPS's at Fenway: Devers .983; Casas .980; Duran .891; Valdez .878; Wong .804; Abreu .783; O'Neill .776; Yoshida .682; Smith .677; Refsnyder .669; Rafaela .654; Hamilton .609; Gonzalez .607; McGuire .307.

 

I’m confused, I’m not focused on Story, he’s not here for 2024 and I’m trying to add up the middle talent, not rely on Story.

 

I’d be open to 1B upgrade, but as time goes on and Casas gets closer to a return in becomes more pointless.

 

I’d look to upgrade up the middle to strengthen the defense and also provide the upside in the lineup as well.

[Dipre]

I thought you were saying that prospect package wouldn’t bring you back anything more than a marginal upgrade at best.

 

My point was that Hamilton is more valuable to the Sox than other teams.

[Old Red]

Want to go big?

 

Marcelo Mayer/Yoenis Cespedes/Angel Bastardo

 

for

 

Garrett Crochet.

 

Oh no!trading the chosen one in Mayer? Crochet just turned 25, but hasn’t thrown 200 innings in the bigs yet. But go BIG, or go home.

[Maxbialystock]

I’m confused, I’m not focused on Story, he’s not here for 2024 and I’m trying to add up the middle talent, not rely on Story.

 

I’d be open to 1B upgrade, but as time goes on and Casas gets closer to a return in becomes more pointless.

 

I’d look to upgrade up the middle to strengthen the defense and also provide the upside in the lineup as well.

 

Forget Casas. His injury is rare, even unprecedented, and the result of simply swinging a bat at a pitched ball. It's not just a question of when he can return, but whether he can return and swing a bat effectively.

 

As for better defense up the middle, think Marcelo Mayer, who is already better than Hamilton and maybe Story too.

Edited July 5, 2024 by Maxbialystock

[Hugh2]

Forget Casas. His injury is rare, even unprecedented, and the result of simply swinging a bat at a pitched ball. It's not just a question of when he can return, but whether he can return and swing a bat effectively.

 

As for better defense up the middle, think Marcelo Mayer, who is already better than Hamilton and maybe Story too.

 

Casas will be fine, his injury is muscular. I’ve strained an oblique before myself when I used to box. Tons of core strength work to come back, probably very good for him. I still wouldn’t mind a RHH option at 1B who can slide into a DH role and split time elsewhere at the corners when Casas is back.

 

Mayer isn’t an option in 2024 in my opinion.

 

A guy up the middle who can hit and defend is the best option to upgrade the lineup.

[Hugh2]

Anyone is tradeable for the right price, I’m just getting the ball rolling with some proposals.

 

You guys are welcome to add your own trade proposals.

 

I’d prefer a rental over trading Mayer. But if you want a pitcher with multiple years of control who has TOTR potential, the price starts with Mayer or Anthony.

[moonslav59]

But then you just traded Hamilton and a good prospect for at most, an average SS.

 

1. I wasn’t saying I wanted to trade DHam, but why would trading DHam plus Meidroth bring back a worse SS?

[moonslav59]

Forget Casas. His injury is rare, even unprecedented, and the result of simply swinging a bat at a pitched ball. It's not just a question of when he can return, but whether he can return and swing a bat effectively.

 

As for better defense up the middle, think Marcelo Mayer, who is already better than Hamilton and maybe Story too.

 

You seem really hung up

On how Casas hurt himself.

 

You hated us trading Sale who hurt himself riding a bike.

 

Am I missing something?