A Realistic View of 2024: Part II

[mvp 78]

He was cyclically tight-fisted. Spend for two years, dial back for one. The payroll did get higher than $240mil at one point, not an easy accomplishment if one is tight-fisted…

 

Not sure why Lester was the only SP affected by their sudden aversion to pitchers over 30z

 

Ben wasn't able to convince Henry to spend. DD was.

[notin]

I'll take Price's WAR over Yoshida's and Grissom's, thank you very much!

 

Plus Price did come through big in the 2018 postseason. We might have had a problem without him, yes...

 

So you think Price and his 6.2 fWAR in the last 3 years at a cost of $93mill was a better deal than Grissom?

[notin]

Ben wasn't able to convince Henry to spend. DD was.

 

Ben spent. Just very poorly outside of 2013.

 

And if it was all about convincing Henry, why wasn’t DD able to convince Henry to spend on Mookie?

Edited June 4, 2024 by notin

[moonslav59]

He was fine from 16-18.

 

Agreed, but he did start only 16 games in '17 and had an okay 112 ERA+ in '16.

 

It was not 3 full years of vintage Price. It was more like 1.5 plus some playoff heroics.

[moonslav59]

Ben wasn't able to convince Henry to spend. DD was.

 

Really?

 

of the highest 24 signed after Theo:

11 by Ben (6 of the big 14)

5 by DD (all from the top 14)

 

Of the top 16 deals of $35M+

7 Ben

5 DD

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So you think Price and his 6.2 fWAR in the last 3 years at a cost of $93mill was a better deal than Grissom?

 

Let's see: all it took to get rid of Price and Sale was to only pay half their remaining contracts... and throw in a Hall of Famer in the former deal, and take on a constantly-injured 23-year-old in the latter...

 

I'd say the best trade was Pablo Reyes for cash considerations.

 

Right now, I'm considering my last five-dollar bill: should it be spent on an MLB-sponsored gambling site, to bet on how many more ballplayers will be banned for life -- or slapped down on the bar of a taproom, to pay for half a beer?

[mvp 78]

Ben spent. Just very poorly outside of 2013.

 

And if it was all about convincing Henry, why wasn’t DD able to convince Henry to spend on Mookie?

 

Henry had his limits, even if that limit was very dumb.

[mvp 78]

Agreed, but he did start only 16 games in '17 and had an okay 112 ERA+ in '16.

 

It was not 3 full years of vintage Price. It was more like 1.5 plus some playoff heroics.

 

I said FINE, not great.

[Bellhorn04]

So you think Price and his 6.2 fWAR in the last 3 years at a cost of $93mill was a better deal than Grissom?

 

Sure, that's exactly what I said and a valid apples to apples comparison!

[mvp 78]

Really?

 

of the highest 24 signed after Theo:

11 by Ben (6 of the big 14)

5 by DD (all from the top 14)

 

Of the top 16 deals of $35M+

7 Ben

5 DD

 

Wow... Interesting threshold you have there. $35m???

[moonslav59]

Wow... Interesting threshold you have there. $35m???

 

I did mention in my earlier post that DD had 4 of the top 6 signings after Theo, but my graphic does show Ben was able to get JH to spend, too.

 

How about this...

 

Ben signed 6 of the 13 player signed for more than $72M. Is $72M a large enough number?

 

Is 5 of 12 over $82M large enough? (1 more than DD)

 

How about 4 of the top 11 at $88M+ (same as DD?)

 

Ben signed 3 of the 9 over $95M. DD signed 4. I think they both were able to convince JH to spend- certainly way more than Bloom + Brez combined.

[Nick]

You sound suspiciously like a front office plant.

 

Deep down, I just don't get what the big deal is to spend more money. Obviously Henry is licking his wounds over his players getting hurt. Most of us disagree with him. (my real sentiment).

[Bellhorn04]

Deep down, I just don't get what the big deal is to spend more money. Obviously Henry is licking his wounds over his players getting hurt. Most of us disagree with him. (my real sentiment).

 

It wouldn't be as much as of an issue if we weren't racking up all these sub-.500 seasons. Another one this year would make 7 out of the last 13.

[moonslav59]

It wouldn't be as much as of an issue if we weren't racking up all these sub-.500 seasons. Another one this year would make 7 out of the last 13.

 

Very true.

 

Also, if we just hit on 50% of our most expensive 4, 6, 8 or 10 most recent signings, I doubt we'd be sub .500 most of the time.

 

To me, we've had major injury and low performance issues with just about every major signing, except Devers, who just started his 10 year deal, in March.

 

Sale

Story

Yoshida

Giolito

 

JD and Bogey did okay after 2018, but did not produce nearly as much as before 2019.

Nate did okay but missed some time and was not really good all teh time, when healthy.

 

It's very hard to win when almost all your highest paid players are on the IL, playing badly, playing worse than their norm or two of these 3 things, almost continually.

 

Certainly, spending less has hurt, but to me, the results of our spending has sucked. It may also be a major reason why JH is avoiding trying to fix these mistakes by repeating them.

 

[dgalehouse]

Anyone who spends more money just because the value of his home has increased is a fool.

 

But you spend what it takes to keep your house in good shape. You don't let it fall apart and put more money in the bank.

[moonslav59]

But you spend what it takes to keep your house in good shape. You don't let it fall apart and put more money in the bank.

 

And for your 10 year old car in need of many repairs?

[mvp 78]

@ChrisCotillo

Red Sox making roster moves. Tyler Heineman has been promoted, per source.

[Bellhorn04]

And for your 10 year old car in need of many repairs?

 

The house analogy is a bit more apt, I think.

[Elktonnick]

Every CBO/ Genmgr or whatever the hell you call them will make mistakes. What counts is the net overall result of their tenure.

As for the Henry years one must admit that DD was more successful than the one who followed him, with the jury still out on Breslow's tenure.

[mvp 78]

Every CBO/ Genmgr or whatever the hell you call them will make mistakes. What counts is the net overall result of their tenure.

As for the Henry years one must admit that DD was more successful than the one who followed him, with the jury still out on Breslow's tenure.

 

I should hope so since it's only been 2 months of regular season games.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

Cora says on WEEI that Wilyer Abreu is headed to the IL with an ankle sprain and is going to see a specialist

[mvp 78]

@DanBFox1287

Easier to list the players who haven’t gone on the IL or missed time than those who have

 

Jarren Duran

Connor Wong

Reese Mcguire

Cedanne Rafaela

 

It’s just a joke at this point

[moonslav59]

The house analogy is a bit more apt, I think.

 

Okay, but you don’t replace your roof every year.

[moonslav59]

@DanBFox1287

Easier to list the players who haven’t gone on the IL or missed time than those who have

 

Jarren Duran

Connor Wong

Reese Mcguire

Cedanne Rafaela

 

It’s just a joke at this point

 

Non pitchers list

[Bellhorn04]

Okay, but you don’t replace your roof every year.

 

Not sure of the relevance of that either.

 

All Denny said was you need to spend money to maintain the value of your house.

[mvp 78]

@alexspeier

Tyler O’Neill will go on a rehab assignment with the WooSox tonight. Cora hopes he can be activated Wednesday.

[dgalehouse]

Not sure of the relevance of that either.

 

All Denny said was you need to spend money to maintain the value of your house.

 

Yes. It was a simple reply to Nick's post. It is pretty much just common sense that you shouldn't add to your bank account while your house falls into disrepair. But Moon has to be disagreeable. " Don't replace the roof every year. " Really ?

[Old Red]

Yes. It was a simple reply to Nick's post. It is pretty much just common sense that you shouldn't add to your bank account while your house falls into disrepair. But Moon has to be disagreeable. " Don't replace the roof every year. " Really ?

 

NO not MOOn.

[mvp 78]

Yes. It was a simple reply to Nick's post. It is pretty much just common sense that you shouldn't add to your bank account while your house falls into disrepair. But Moon has to be disagreeable. " Don't replace the roof every year. " Really ?

 

FL insurance companies will tell you otherwise!

[Old Red]

Okay, but you don’t replace your roof every year.

 

Wow! This is why you pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. C’mon man.