Bloom fired

[mvp 78]

Would everyone on here stop exposing themselves please?!? You never know when the next 13 year old Thunder is going to start posting. Thanks...

[moonslav59]

You expose yourself everyday, and more often than anyone else on this site, and it’s not a good sight, and with a straight face you sit there, and say you’re not a Bloom guy. There’s not enough words to describe that. OMG! OMG! OMG!🤭🤭🤮.

 

You always believe what you want.

 

I defended Bloom more than anyone else. You equate that someone who likes or loves the guy or thinks he hardly ever makes mistakes. You jump to the wrong conclusions all the time, and go ape s***, whenever someone does it to an opinion of yours.

 

You cannot find one single post by me that even says, "I think Bloom is a good GM." There are parts of his work, I think he did well at, and even the farm part, I almost always add, it is speculative, right now. I also think he did a pretty good job building up the 40 man roster to a point where there are no longer 18-20 bad slots, like when he began. You can disagree and dispute this, but it does not make me a "Bloom guy" any more than I am a "Wong guy" or "Casas guy." If you cont supporting any player or coach who is on the Sox as a "guy," then I guess I'm guilty as charged.

 

Go back and read the Bloom thread, when he was hired. I gave you the link earlier and asked you find one quote. Try backing up your claims with evidence, for one.

 

Keep deflecting, as usual. We see who you are.

 

[moonslav59]

Are you perchance actually one of Elktonnick's multiple personalities, but on his meds?

 

This is the guy who backed up much of what Swihart's ghost and the Stork said, and then calls me the poster boy for being wrong, so often.

 

He cheers on strawman building and trolling, as long as it confirms his bias.

 

He ran and hid in July, and now is back patting himself on the back for disliking Bloom from the day he was hired. We should all cheer for the guy who undermined the GM of our team, every chance he could. He thinks it's a big feather in his cap.

[Old Red]

This is the guy who backed up much of what Swihart's ghost and the Stork said, and then calls me the poster boy for being wrong, so often.

 

He cheers on strawman building and trolling, as long as it confirms his bias.

 

He ran and hid in July, and now is back patting himself on the back for disliking Bloom from the day he was hired. We should all cheer for the guy who undermined the GM of our team, every chance he could. He thinks it's a big feather in his cap.

 

I’m still trying to figure out you could have been SO Wrong when you kept insisting the Red Sox couldn’t have done better than Kike when they resigned him for $10M. Of all the players available that only Kike would have been the best option for a measerly $10M. Forget that he was a total disaster at SS, but didn’t hit a lick his last two years either. Blunder bust by the great blunderer. Undermined the GM of our team?I think Bloom did a damm good job of doing it to himself.😂

[moonslav59]

I’m still trying to figure out you could have been SO Wrong when you kept insisting the Red Sox couldn’t have done better than Kike when they resigned him for $10M. Of all the players available that only Kike would have been the best option for a measerly $10M. Forget that he was a total disaster at SS, but didn’t hit a lick his last two years either. Blunder bust by the great blunderer. Undermined the GM of our team?I think Bloom did a damm good job of doing it to himself.😂

 

Keep deflecting. It's your M.O.

 

Yes, I have been wrong, often. I don't mind admitting it- something you can never do.

 

I was wrong on thinking bringing back Kike at $10M to play CF. Does that make you feel better and bigger?

 

IMO, no $10M contract can be a "great blunder," but it sure sucked.

 

You never mentioned I hated the...

The Richards and Perez signings

JBJ trade

The Diekman signing

The Marwin signing

The lack of SP signings (every season)

The lack fo trading stars about to be lost to free agency

and many, many more...

 

That would undermine your theory I was a big "Bloom Guy." Tell us, again, how Casas, the guy you wanted demoted, last summer is "your guy."

 

 

[Old Red]

Keep deflecting. It's your M.O.

 

Yes, I have been wrong, often. I don't mind admitting it- something you can never do.

 

I was wrong on thinking bringing back Kike at $10M to play CF. Does that make you feel better and bigger?

 

IMO, no $10M contract can be a "great blunder," but it sure sucked.

 

You never mentioned I hated the...

The Richards and Perez signings

JBJ trade

The Diekman signing

The Marwin signing

The lack of SP signings (every season)

The lack fo trading stars about to be lost to free agency

and many, many more...

 

That would undermine your theory I was a big "Bloom Guy." Tell us, again, how Casas, the guy you wanted demoted, last summer is "your guy."

 

 

You were so hung up on Kike, and even called him a hero at one point. Just, because he had a hot streak in the 2021 postseason he was overrated by some on here, and it just wasn’t you thought Kike would be good to bring back to play CF, but that no one else would have been better for $10M. I never said you were all pro Bloom, but you have always defended him at the drop of a hat.

There were many that I heard, and heard from that wanted Casas demoted when he was struggling so much, and it might have helped him at the time, but who knows. At any rate it turned out pretty well at the end.

[illinoisredsox]

OMG, do you two ever effing stop?

 

Moon, Red argues for the sake of arguing, no other reason. Your positions are clear. He’s never going to admit he’s wrong. Stop giving him what he craves.

[Old Red]

LOL. Like when you demanded I name people who needed some clarification from one of your posts?

 

Really? This is from the guy who wondered if the Red Sox signed JT to sit on the bench, and said guarding the 1B, and 3B lines was the same thing as the shift.

[notin]

When a poster is saying there's a LEGION OF BLOOM supporters on this board that is bigger than anywhere else, I think it should be fair for the poster to say who they are actually referring to.

 

Also, I've seen way more pro-Bloom fans on Twitter, some of whom were righteously pissed off when Bloom was fired. Nobody on here was mad when he was fired, but somehow this board has exclusive access to Bloom supporters? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

I would think I’d be on anyone’s “Legion of Bloom” roster. But I thought I was clear that he lost me completely at the last trade deadline and I don’t miss him at all. I think Henry was too patient; I would have fired him on August 2nd…

[Old Red]

OMG, do you two ever effing stop?

 

Moon, Red argues for the sake of arguing, no other reason. Your positions are clear. He’s never going to admit he’s wrong. Stop giving him what he craves.

 

Red responds, and for no other reason. Craves? Moon is always looking for targets moving, or not, and it’s not always me, but thanks for the shoutout, and kind words.

[notin]

Really? This is from the guy who wondered if the Red Sox signed JT to sit on the bench, and said guarding the 1B, and 3B lines was the same thing as the shift.

 

Re-read post 58 and point out where it says guarding the lines is the same as the shift. Then re-read post 59 and maybe you will realize that you almost got the point once. But clearly since have abandoned solely for the purpose of discrediting others in order to look more credible.

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20314-MLB-to-ban-the-shift/page4?highlight=Rule+shift+guard

[moonslav59]

You were so hung up on Kike, and even called him a hero at one point. Just, because he had a hot streak in the 2021 postseason he was overrated by some on here, and it just wasn’t you thought Kike would be good to bring back to play CF, but that no one else would have been better for $10M. I never said you were all pro Bloom, but you have always defended him at the drop of a hat.

There were many that I heard, and heard from that wanted Casas demoted when he was struggling so much, and it might have helped him at the time, but who knows. At any rate it turned out pretty well at the end.

 

I'm not trying to hide my liking Kike.

 

I called him a hero of 2021's playoff drive and run in the playoffs, because IMO, he was awesome.

 

Yes, I did not see anyone better for $10M, along with others.

 

You keep harping on something I am not denying. I'm not sure why you seem to take joy in others rooting for a player who ends up sucking. I was wrong about Kike.

 

BTW, I did not always defended him. I wanted him removed fro SS as early as anyone and said he sucked. Stop the lies.

 

I did not hear many wanting casas demoted, but if that was an admission of a mistake, I guess that's the best we will ever see from you.

 

I like Kike and he sucked. You wanted Casas demoted and he did great, right afterwards. You seem to think that because it turned out pretty well" for the team, it make your mistake better than mine.

 

I get a lot wrong. I give my opinion a lot. I'm bound to get a lot wrong. Baseball is not an exact science.

 

I defended Bloom, when i thought the criticism was unfounded or needed some context. He was criticized so often, my defending happened often, too. You don't seem to understand that someone can defend someone they love, like, dislike or hate, if they think the criticism is wrong or lacking some context.

 

Some believe all that matters is the W-L record, so anything else is useless or not as important. Just because someone does not go by just W-L record they must be "pro ____." You still don't get it. Sadly, it seems you never will.

 

Only you are allowed to draw conclusions, wrongly. If anyone does it to you, you hit the roof.

 

I was dead wrong on Kike. Get over it.

 

Not only do you obsess with patting yourself on the back, but you also obsess over Sox fans who supported players that sucked, and gloat that you knew they sucked before us. How wonderful you are.

[mvp 78]

Re-read post 58 and point out where it says guarding the lines is the same as the shift. Then re-read post 59 and maybe you will realize that you almost got the point once. But clearly since have abandoned solely for the purpose of discrediting others in order to look more credible.

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20314-MLB-to-ban-the-shift/page4?highlight=Rule+shift+guard

 

How do you absolute freaks remember these arguments?

[Old Red]

I'm not trying to hide my liking Kike.

 

I called him a hero of 2021's playoff drive and run in the playoffs, because IMO, he was awesome.

 

Yes, I did not see anyone better for $10M, along with others.

 

You keep harping on something I am not denying. I'm not sure why you seem to take joy in others rooting for a player who ends up sucking. I was wrong about Kike.

 

BTW, I did not always defended him. I wanted him removed fro SS as early as anyone and said he sucked. Stop the lies.

 

I did not hear many wanting casas demoted, but if that was an admission of a mistake, I guess that's the best we will ever see from you.

 

I like Kike and he sucked. You wanted Casas demoted and he did great, right afterwards. You seem to think that because it turned out pretty well" for the team, it make your mistake better than mine.

 

I get a lot wrong. I give my opinion a lot. I'm bound to get a lot wrong. Baseball is not an exact science.

 

I defended Bloom, when i thought the criticism was unfounded or needed some context. He was criticized so often, my defending happened often, too. You don't seem to understand that someone can defend someone they love, like, dislike or hate, if they think the criticism is wrong or lacking some context.

 

Some believe all that matters is the W-L record, so anything else is useless or not as important. Just because someone does not go by just W-L record they must be "pro ____." You still don't get it. Sadly, it seems you never will.

 

Only you are allowed to draw conclusions, wrongly. If anyone does it to you, you hit the roof.

 

I was dead wrong on Kike. Get over it.

 

Not only do you obsess with patting yourself on the back, but you also obsess over Sox fans who supported players that sucked, and gloat that you knew they sucked before us. How wonderful you are.

When I said way back when that the Red Sox could do better with $10M than Kike I was told I was wrong by you, and others, so it wasn’t just a differing of opinions. As for Casas getting demoted there were many that I heard on other venues, and in person that Casas should have been demoted at one point. I wasn’t just taking about what was said on here, and as you know I venture out more than you do. Casas turned things around, but it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have benefited from going back down. To you the obsession is patting myself on the back, and that may be the result, but the main point is to always point out that you are wrong.

[moonslav59]

OMG, do you two ever effing stop?

 

Moon, Red argues for the sake of arguing, no other reason. Your positions are clear. He’s never going to admit he’s wrong. Stop giving him what he craves.

 

I was raised to be righteous. If someone lies or tells half truths, I try to show the other side or what I think is the truth.

 

That is not always a virtue. I know that.

 

I've tried to tone it down and even ignore Red, but he keeps feeling the need to misrepresent who I am and my positions.

 

I apologize for putting others through all the grief. I will try harder, going forward to just let the lies roll off my shoulders.

[moonslav59]

When I said way back when that the Red Sox could do better with $10M than Kike I was told I was wrong by you, and others, so it wasn’t just a differing of opinions.

 

We asked you who would be better at $10M or who signed recently for $10M that you felt was better.

 

We got no names.

[notin]

How do you absolute freaks remember these arguments?

 

That one did have a dedicated thread…

[Old Red]

I was raised to be righteous. If someone lies or tells half truths, I try to show the other side or what I think is the truth.

 

That is not always a virtue. I know that.

 

I've tried to tone it down and even ignore Red, but he keeps feeling the need to misrepresent who I am and my positions.

 

I apologize for putting others through all the grief. I will try harder, going forward to just let the lies roll off my shoulders.

 

Apology 995, and counting. We already know you have to get the last word in, because you’ve bragged about it. Tone it down, and ignore Red? What a joke even when you had me on ignore you still replied through other people. You can’t help yourself, and you know it. You have Old Red derangement syndrome, and you always fire the first salvo like you did to day. Like I said earlier you look for targets moving, and otherwise to argue with, and you’ve had plenty of those with other posters. MVP told me he’s had you on ignore before, and it wasn’t that long ago you had Bell all upset about arguing with MVP.you’re not a victim. You make people a victim. You said I hated Cora JUST because I said I wouldn’t rehire him. You said I had disdain for Kike, because I didn’t think he was as good as you do. I’ve been a basher, a crybaby, and numerous other names disagreeing with you as have other posters. It’s a curse, and not a gift.

[moonslav59]

You can have the last word.

[Old Red]

You can have the last word.

 

👍👍👍👏.

[Randy Red Sox]

We asked you who would be better at $10M or who signed recently for $10M that you felt was better.

 

We got no names.

 

new to this conversation but why is it only 10 million? Is that all we had to spend on a SP?

[moonslav59]

new to this conversation but why is it only 10 million? Is that all we had to spend on a SP?

 

This was about the Kike extension given, last summer. Many felt it was a good deal for what we expected Kike to give us in CF:

Near GG defense

Maybe a .725-.775 OPS.

There were not many FA CF'ers in that following winter market, so many of us felt it was a pretty good deal for the team.

 

Red was dead set against it, so we asked him who was a recent signing at $10M that was better, or who he felt we could get for $10M that winter.

 

We got not answer. It's easier to not be wrong as often, when you don't ever back up your position with real suggested solutions.

 

BTW, last winter's CF signings:

$40M x 9 Judge

$20M x 8 Nimmo

$17.5M/1 Bellinger

$9M/1 Kiermaier

$3M/1 Pillar

That's all Spotrac listed as CF signings, last winter.

 

Like we said, there weren't many options for that kind of money. I guess we could have signed notin's guy, Gallo for $10M/1, but he's not a true CF'er. (Neither was Duvall.)

 

Don't get me started on pitchers for $10M/1! LOL!

 

[notin]

new to this conversation but why is it only 10 million? Is that all we had to spend on a SP?

 

They are trying to figure out better ways to allocate the $10mill Bloom dropped on a player who didn’t work out, probably Kike or Kluber.

 

 

Let’s see if they forget it was only a one year deal…

[Bellhorn04]

They are trying to figure out better ways to allocate the $10mill Bloom dropped on a player who didn’t work out, probably Kike or Kluber.

 

Let’s see if they forget it was only a one year deal…

 

Yep, wonderful payroll management by Chaim the last two years, other than the back to back 78 win seasons for $460 million and the getting fired parts.

[mvp 78]

They are trying to figure out better ways to allocate the $10mill Bloom dropped on a player who didn’t work out, probably Kike or Kluber.

 

 

Let’s see if they forget it was only a one year deal…

 

In hindsight, let's go back and create the perfect offseason that none of us would have guessed in the first place! Sounds like a reasonable exercise.

[mvp 78]

Yep, wonderful payroll management by Chaim, other than the last place finishes and the getting fired parts.

 

Kiké was a net negative for the team. They would have been better off just putting the 10M in Henry's wallet and not spending it at all.

[Bellhorn04]

In hindsight, let's go back and create the perfect offseason that none of us would have guessed in the first place! Sounds like a reasonable exercise.

 

Lots of s***** moves and non-moves the past two years though.

 

Story, JBJ, Yoshida, Kike, Kluber. No good starters signed for 2023.

 

Bloom did not have the margin for error that permits that kind of shittiness.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Lots of s***** moves and non-moves the past two years though.

 

Story, JBJ, Yoshida, Kike, Kluber. No good starters signed for 2023.

 

Bloom did not have the margin for error that permits that kind of shittiness.

 

Don't forget his best move -- he moved out of his office last month.

[mvp 78]

Lots of s***** moves and non-moves the past two years though.

 

Story, JBJ, Yoshida, Kike, Kluber. No good starters signed for 2023.

 

Bloom did not have the margin for error that permits that kind of shittiness.

 

He had a margin for error and exceeded it.

[moonslav59]

Yep, wonderful payroll management by Chaim the last two years, other than the back to back 78 win seasons for $460 million and the getting fired parts.

 

His "payroll management" was not the major reason we lost in '22. Other than the Story deal, he actually did pretty well with these deals:

$7M Wacha

$5M Hill

$3M Strahm

 

It would take near perfect hindsight signings to lead us to a playoff slot in 2022.