Bloom fired

[moonslav59]

You should go find the manager.

 

I like our manager.

 

I don't know who the best GM would be, even if I knew what the team philosophy is going to be.

 

If we are going to go real cheap, I would not hire someone like DD. (I know blasphemy.)

[Hugh2]

I like our manager.

 

I don't know who the best GM would be, even if I knew what the team philosophy is going to be.

 

If we are going to go real cheap, I would not hire someone like DD. (I know blasphemy.)

 

If Henry plans on going cheap in 2024 then he should have let Bloom play out his contract.

[moonslav59]

If Henry plans on going cheap in 2024 then he should have let Bloom play out his contract.

 

I would not say that.

 

It's also about being able to trade top prospects.

 

We could spend up to but under the tax line in 2024, but still be competitive, if we made a big trade or two.

[notin]

If Henry plans on going cheap in 2024 then he should have let Bloom play out his contract.

 

Agreed. You cannot fire Bloom solely for PR reasons if the goal is to continue to operate the same way. In fact, doing that actually absolves Bloom from blame in the eyes of many. Keeping him around all lows his to retain the blame for another bad season…

[jacksonianmarch]

You can’t bring in a new GM and then stick him with the current manager. Anytime a GM is brought in from the outside and the manager stays, there is the high likelihood of friction. If the new GM is from without, Cora should probably go unless the GM is intent on keeping him around and says so in advance of his hiring

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You can’t bring in a new GM and then stick him with the current manager. Anytime a GM is brought in from the outside and the manager stays, there is the high likelihood of friction. If the new GM is from without, Cora should probably go unless the GM is intent on keeping him around and says so in advance of his hiring

 

It's a factor that is presumably turning some candidates off, and one that also favors those with collegial connections with Cora. For example, he played on teams with or for external candidates like Breslow or Ng.

 

Anyone agreeing to interview already knows that working closely with AC will be high on the list of job duties.

[Old Red]

If Henry plans on going cheap in 2024 then he should have let Bloom play out his contract.

 

It’s amazing to me that so many blame JH for Bloom’s failure, and like no other person in charge could have done better under the same circumstances like if Bloom failed anyone else would too. I disagree, and like I said on another post if JH had given Bloom a blank check he probably still would have been a FAILURE. To :e he didn’t deserve another year, and I’m POSITIVE Cora feels the same way.

[Old Red]

It's a factor that is presumably turning some candidates off, and one that also favors those with collegial connections with Cora. For example, he played on teams with or for external candidates like Breslow or Ng.

 

Anyone agreeing to interview already knows that working closely with AC will be high on the list of job duties.

 

I think it says something too that an in-house candidate refused an interview too.

[Hugh2]

You can’t bring in a new GM and then stick him with the current manager. Anytime a GM is brought in from the outside and the manager stays, there is the high likelihood of friction. If the new GM is from without, Cora should probably go unless the GM is intent on keeping him around and says so in advance of his hiring

 

I also for one second don't believe that if all these GMs turning down the job or interview are doing so largely because they can't pick their manager the brain trust wouldn't get rid of Cora in an instant.

 

Of course, this saga isn't over. Maybe we do see Cora go.

[Hugh2]

It’s amazing to me that so many blame JH for Bloom’s failure, and like no other person in charge could have done better under the same circumstances like if Bloom failed anyone else would too. I disagree, and like I said on another post if JH had given Bloom a blank check he probably still would have been a FAILURE. To :e he didn’t deserve another year, and I’m POSITIVE Cora feels the same way.

 

I agree someone could have done better than Bloom. How wide is that margin? I think it can vary depending on what the FO gives you. I don't think anyone would of had much more success than Bloom had given what he was BUT, I think that's probably a stronger argument for Blooms first two years than his last two. Despite the budget concerns and "mandates" coming from Henry.....it's not like he turned the Sox into the Oakland A's.

[Old Red]

I also for one second don't believe that if all these GMs turning down the job or interview are doing so largely because they can't pick their manager the brain trust wouldn't get rid of Cora in an instant.

 

Of course, this saga isn't over. Maybe we do see Cora go.

 

I agree on Cora, and think JH is the main problem. Click is a buddy of Bloom, I’m sure DD had a talk with Fuld, and they all see the job security isn’t to secure in Boston.

[moonslav59]

Agreed. You cannot fire Bloom solely for PR reasons if the goal is to continue to operate the same way. In fact, doing that actually absolves Bloom from blame in the eyes of many. Keeping him around all lows his to retain the blame for another bad season…

 

I think firing people is often used this way.

[moonslav59]

It’s amazing to me that so many blame JH for Bloom’s failure, and like no other person in charge could have done better under the same circumstances like if Bloom failed anyone else would too. I disagree, and like I said on another post if JH had given Bloom a blank check he probably still would have been a FAILURE. To :e he didn’t deserve another year, and I’m POSITIVE Cora feels the same way.

 

Nobody has ever come close to saying this about nobody else could have done better.

 

Everyone is fine with Bloom's firing. That would not be the case, if people felt nobody could do better.

 

More strawmen.

[notin]

You can’t bring in a new GM and then stick him with the current manager. Anytime a GM is brought in from the outside and the manager stays, there is the high likelihood of friction. If the new GM is from without, Cora should probably go unless the GM is intent on keeping him around and says so in advance of his hiring

 

I think it’s possible Cora’s job security has been overstated or misinterpreted. Just because he wasn’t let go with Bloom doesn’t mean he has immunity, and the new CBO is not allowed to change managers…

[Bellhorn04]

You can’t bring in a new GM and then stick him with the current manager. Anytime a GM is brought in from the outside and the manager stays, there is the high likelihood of friction. If the new GM is from without, Cora should probably go unless the GM is intent on keeping him around and says so in advance of his hiring

 

Of course you can. Did the guy who replaced Click in Houston get to pick a new manager? Of course he didn't. This is just one of those old maxims that gets spouted because it sounds smart.

[Bellhorn04]

I think it’s possible Cora’s job security has been overstated or misinterpreted. Just because he wasn’t let go with Bloom doesn’t mean he has immunity, and the new CBO is not allowed to change managers…

 

Kennedy already said Cora will be back as manager next year. Pretty hard to misinterpret.

[Old Red]

I think it’s possible Cora’s job security has been overstated or misinterpreted. Just because he wasn’t let go with Bloom doesn’t mean he has immunity, and the new CBO is not allowed to change managers…

 

Like Cora said after meeting with JH, and Tom, and told them he’s not ready for a chair in the FO he told reporters he’s safe. That to me not only means immunity, but he has more of a say in things that he had before.

[Old Red]

Kennedy already said Cora will be back as manager next year. Pretty hard to misinterpret.

 

But one did.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I agree on Cora, and think JH is the main problem. Click is a buddy of Bloom, I’m sure DD had a talk with Fuld, and they all see the job security isn’t to secure in Boston.

 

How's this for security: come to Boston to work for four years in a major MLB market -- and we'll pay you for five years. Here's a million dollars.

 

If you win, you'll be a legend -- or at least, have a career in baseball as a sought-after exec. If you lose, you'll still be a millionaire.

 

Naaahh, I wanna pick my own manager!

[mvp 78]

You can’t bring in a new GM and then stick him with the current manager. Anytime a GM is brought in from the outside and the manager stays, there is the high likelihood of friction. If the new GM is from without, Cora should probably go unless the GM is intent on keeping him around and says so in advance of his hiring

 

DD came aboard and kept Farrell for a few years.

[Hugh2]

Like Cora said after meeting with JH, and Tom, and told them he’s not ready for a chair in the FO he told reporters he’s safe. That to me not only means immunity, but he has more of a say in things that he had before.

 

Because certainly this front office wouldn't lie to us.

 

I think they like Cora, and want to keep him and it's likely he'll be here next year. I put stock in those comments BUT I don't believe for one second this front office wouldn't turn on Cora if the winds change.....and they may or may not be depending on how this search plays out.

[notin]

Kennedy already said Cora will be back as manager next year. Pretty hard to misinterpret.

 

 

So if a CBO -let’s say Andrew Friedman - made bringing in his manager a condition of accepting the offer, Henry and Kennedy say “No. Cora is our guy and you go look elsewhere.”

 

I don’t think Cora has any immunity. So far all they are doing is letting him stay for the final year of his contract. Its not like they’ve extended him…

[mvp 78]

It’s amazing to me that so many blame JH for Bloom’s failure, and like no other person in charge could have done better under the same circumstances like if Bloom failed anyone else would too. I disagree, and like I said on another post if JH had given Bloom a blank check he probably still would have been a FAILURE. To :e he didn’t deserve another year, and I’m POSITIVE Cora feels the same way.

 

Bloom failed 3 out of 4 years. Henry failed 4 out of 5. More than enough blame to go around.

[Bellhorn04]

Because certainly this front office wouldn't lie to us.

 

I think they like Cora, and want to keep him and it's likely he'll be here next year. I put stock in those comments BUT I don't believe for one second this front office wouldn't turn on Cora if the winds change.....and they may or may not be depending on how this search plays out.

 

How are the winds going to change at this point?

[Hugh2]

How are the winds going to change at this point?

 

How will they? or how could they?

[notin]

DD came aboard and kept Farrell for a few years.

 

Bloom brought Cora back right after the suspension…

[mvp 78]

Of course you can. Did the guy who replaced Click in Houston get to pick a new manager? Of course he didn't. This is just one of those old maxims that gets spouted because it sounds smart.

 

Cashman was handed Joe Torre. He should have fired his ass on day one!

[mvp 78]

Bloom brought Cora back right after the suspension…

 

And there was friction ever since!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Old Red]

Bloom failed 3 out of 4 years. Henry failed 4 out of 5. More than enough blame to go around.

 

I think everyone agrees on that point.

[Old Red]

So if a CBO -let’s say Andrew Friedman - made bringing in his manager a condition of accepting the offer, Henry and Kennedy say “No. Cora is our guy and you go look elsewhere.”

 

I don’t think Cora has any immunity. So far all they are doing is letting him stay for the final year of his contract. Its not like they’ve extended him…

 

I don’t believe There is NOTHING any clearer than Cora being safe. I think Cora was safe when Bloom got hired.