Bloom fired

[mvp 78]

And while we’re at it, let’s tell Gordon Ramsey to go get some McDonalds for the crew…

 

The shake machine is broken... Sorry.

[moonslav59]

In the hypothetical scenario of DD staying, he would be allowed to spend more than Bloom was, of course. In this hypothetical scenario, it's Henry's thinking and decision-making that's different. Everything else flows from that.

 

If true, one could posit Bloom would do better spending more, too.

[Bellhorn04]

Kennedy is like Grima Wormtongue for John Henry. He needs to go. He played a large role in the souring relationship between DD and ownership. When DD didn't want Sammy in baseball meetings anymore, Sammy complained to JH and DD was fired. This was reported by McAdam a few days ago.

 

Sam Kennedy should henceforth be known as Sam the Sham.

[Bellhorn04]

If true, one could posit Bloom would do better spending more, too.

 

One can posit anything here, that's for sure.

 

But the new improved Henry we're imagining wasn't the type to fire DD after 4 mostly successful seasons.

[moonslav59]

One can posit anything here, that's for sure.

 

But the new improved Henry we're imagining wasn't the type to fire DD after 4 mostly successful seasons.

 

I guess I just see it like JH decided to cut spending. I doubt he'd have decided to spend more, because DD was begging him for more money.

 

I'm also not sure DD would want to be part of a situation where he had to beg, but who knows. They might have lied to him, too. They might have said, hang in there: we will spend way more, soon. Then, not done it.

 

I have no idea what GM woulda/coulda done better or worse than Bloom did, under the exact same circumstances. Adding a variable about possible different budgets and mandates makes it too complex for me to ponder, and besides, what would be the point. It would be apples to oranges.

 

Maybe DD would have built better 26 man rosters, but the farm and foundation would be worse off. Maybe, he'd have spent the same AAV, but we'd have more longer term deals (good or bad.) Who knows?

 

I know Bloom blew his chance. He botched the big moves and the non moves were even worse. IMO, he did a good job on building up the farm and the 40 man roster depth. I think after the rule 5 players are added, this fall, the 40 man will be as strong as it has been since 2019 or before. I think that was the major task given to him. That grade is still pending, and it is total speculation on what the results will be, but I'm not sure other GMs woulda/coulda done much better, on that front. (For what it's worth.)

Edited October 13, 2023 by moonslav59

[notin]

Sam Kennedy should henceforth be known as Sam the Sham.

 

Wooly Bully!

[notin]

The shake machine is broken... Sorry.

 

So then you shake your interns by hand! Like how Millard Fillmore used to do it!

[Old Red]

I guess I just see it like JH decided to cut spending. I doubt he'd have decided to spend more, because DD was begging him for more money.

 

I'm also not sure DD would want to be part of a situation where he had to beg, but who knows. They might have lied to him, too. They might have said, hang in their. We will spend way more, soon. Then, not done it.

 

I have no idea what GM woulda/coulda done better or worse than Bloom did, under the exact same circumstances. Adding a variable about possible different budgets and mandates makes it too complex for me to ponder, and besides, what would be the point. It would be apples to oranges.

 

Maybe DD would have built better 26 man rosters, but the farm and foundation would be worse off. Maybe, he'd have spent the same AAV, but we'd have more longer term deals (good or bad.) Who knows?

 

I know Bloom blew his chance. He botched the big moves and the non moves were even worse. IMO, he did a good job on building up the farm and the 40 man roster depth. I think after the rule 5 players are added, this fall, the 40 man will be as strong as it has been since 2019 or before. I think that was the major task given to him. That grade is still pending, and it is total speculation on what the results will be, but I'm not sure other GMs woulda/coulda done much better, on that front. (For what it's worth.)

 

Talk about the same broken record, and wash rinse repeat that’s happened so many times you gone through 100 washing machines. Oh those damm bad conditions that Bloom had to endure during his tenure with the Red Sox. Bottom line, and I’ll say it millionth time, and have ever since the day he was hired that Bloom should NEVER been hired in the first place. ABB. You think just because Bloom was way in over his head in Boston that every else would have been also. I think that’s as far from the truth as you can get. You claim your not a Bloom guy, so I hate to see you if you was.🙈

[Old Red]

NOBODY knows what someone else would have done as the HOBO of the Red Sox the last 4 years, and NOBODY will ever know, but we do know what Bloom did the last 4 years. The good, the BAD, and the UGLY.

[dgalehouse]

It is not the best situation. You are telling the new boss that he cannot hire his own manager. He has to keep the guy who is already in place. There are surely some candidates for the job that would not care for that.

[moonslav59]

It is not the best situation. You are telling the new boss that he cannot hire his own manager. He has to keep the guy who is already in place. There are surely some candidates for the job that would not care for that.

 

What capable GM would want to fire Cora?

 

If they wanted to, who wants them?

 

It's that simple.

[notin]

What capable GM would want to fire Cora?

 

If they wanted to, who wants them?

 

It's that simple.

 

Sorry. Dgalehouse is right. Let the new GM hit his own manager. Otherwise if things do not work out, it’s a blame game…

[mvp 78]

Sam Kennedy should henceforth be known as Sam the Sham.

 

Wow, rude.

[Randy Red Sox]

I guess I just see it like JH decided to cut spending. I doubt he'd have decided to spend more, because DD was begging him for more money.

 

I'm also not sure DD would want to be part of a situation where he had to beg, but who knows. They might have lied to him, too. They might have said, hang in there: we will spend way more, soon. Then, not done it.

 

I have no idea what GM woulda/coulda done better or worse than Bloom did, under the exact same circumstances. Adding a variable about possible different budgets and mandates makes it too complex for me to ponder, and besides, what would be the point. It would be apples to oranges.

 

Maybe DD would have built better 26 man rosters, but the farm and foundation would be worse off. Maybe, he'd have spent the same AAV, but we'd have more longer term deals (good or bad.) Who knows?

 

I know Bloom blew his chance. He botched the big moves and the non moves were even worse. IMO, he did a good job on building up the farm and the 40 man roster depth. I think after the rule 5 players are added, this fall, the 40 man will be as strong as it has been since 2019 or before. I think that was the major task given to him. That grade is still pending, and it is total speculation on what the results will be, but I'm not sure other GMs woulda/coulda done much better, on that front. (For what it's worth.)

 

Overall Bloom's grade is an F. 3 last place finishes and not a single top pitching prospect speaks volumes

[Randy Red Sox]

It is not the best situation. You are telling the new boss that he cannot hire his own manager. He has to keep the guy who is already in place. There are surely some candidates for the job that would not care for that.

 

i am not pro or con on Cora but you are bang on with your post

[notin]

Wow, rude.

 

Flim Flam Sam?

[moonslav59]

Sorry. Dgalehouse is right. Let the new GM hit his own manager. Otherwise if things do not work out, it’s a blame game…

 

It's always going to be a blame game. The GM is always the fall guy, so this actually gives him one out.

[Bellhorn04]

Sorry. Dgalehouse is right. Let the new GM hit his own manager. Otherwise if things do not work out, it’s a blame game…

 

Can't put the toothpaste back in the horse now. It's a done deal.

[Elktonnick]

Several media outlets say the Red Sox are struggling to find candidates willing to interview for the Bloom job. Among the reasons cited is the fact that Henry has had 4 individuals in that job since 2011

Another is the number of holdovers in the front office and Cora being guaranteed another year.

[Bellhorn04]

Several media outlets say the Red Sox are struggling to find candidates willing to interview for the Bloom job. Among the reasons cited is the fact that Henry has had 4 individuals in that job since 2011

Another is the number of holdovers in the front office and Cora being guaranteed another year.

 

All of which boosts Eddie Romero's chances quite a bit.

[Bellhorn04]

We don't need a damn genius for the job. What we really need is some clear freakin' direction from Henry and Werner. Are we gonna spend this offseason or not? Are we gonna go balls to the wall to sign Yamamoto or Nola or Snell plus another good starter or not?

 

Without the answers to those questions, it doesn't matter who's wearing the CBO hat.

[Elktonnick]

All of which boosts Eddie Romero's chances quite a bit.

 

Just what Boston needs a holdover from the Bloom regime. So much for Sam Kennedy's statement to interview numerous candidates

[Bellhorn04]

Just what Boston needs a holdover from the Bloom regime. So much for Sam Kennedy's statement to interview numerous candidates

 

Well, I'm sure they're interviewing or trying to interview. But the situation is what it is. Like I say, the real decision-makers here are the owners.

[Elktonnick]

Well, I'm sure they're interviewing or trying to interview. But the situation is what it is. Like I say, the real decision-makers here are the owners.

 

Henry is reaping what he has sown. Henry really doesn't care whether the Sox win. He only cares about giving the appearance that he trying to win

[Bellhorn04]

Henry is reaping what he has sown. Henry really doesn't care whether the Sox win. He only cares about giving the appearance that he trying to win

 

I think Henry wants to win but without the payroll nightmares. He thought Bloom could pull that off.

[Hugh2]

Just what Boston needs a holdover from the Bloom regime. So much for Sam Kennedy's statement to interview numerous candidates

 

Eddie Romero is a gem, and would be entirely deserving of the job.

[Hugh2]

Several media outlets say the Red Sox are struggling to find candidates willing to interview for the Bloom job. Among the reasons cited is the fact that Henry has had 4 individuals in that job since 2011

Another is the number of holdovers in the front office and Cora being guaranteed another year.

 

This just sounds like a media hit piece. Do you think they actually went around and interviewed all the executives in all 30 clubs. Who do they even know the Sox are targeting?

 

One person opens their mouth, a news reporter puts it on paper, and it becomes canon.

 

I don’t buy it.

[mvp 78]

We don't need a damn genius for the job. What we really need is some clear freakin' direction from Henry and Werner. Are we gonna spend this offseason or not? Are we gonna go balls to the wall to sign Yamamoto or Nola or Snell plus another good starter or not?

 

Without the answers to those questions, it doesn't matter who's wearing the CBO hat.

 

The direction has been a little all over the place for sure since Theo left.

[Elktonnick]

This just sounds like a media hit piece. Do you think they actually went around and interviewed all the executives in all 30 clubs. Who do they even know the Sox are targeting?

 

One person opens their mouth, a news reporter puts it on paper, and it becomes canon.

 

I don’t buy it.

 

Another gullible soul swallowing Henry's bait. At least a half dozen outlets including SI , CBS Sports and Sean McAdam are reporting this. But hey none of these guys know anything. But I will put my trust in Sam Kennedy et al. They have never tried to bull s*** Red Sox fans before!

[mvp 78]

Just what Boston needs a holdover from the Bloom regime. So much for Sam Kennedy's statement to interview numerous candidates

 

Eddie has been around since the Theo days.