Bloom fired

[Bellhorn04]

That was just window dressing anyways, because Bogey had a no trade.

 

Not necessarily. He might have approved a trade to a championship contender.

[sk7326]

Actually I read another report this morning that DD was actually in trade talks with the Dodgers about Mookie during the 2019 season when things wasn’t looking so good, but then the Red Sox went on a winning streak, so the Red Sox backed off. Might of gotten a better return for Mookie then, so just another thought for fodder.

 

They absolutely would have. But the team was caught in a position of not being quite bad enough. It would have been bold to just make the deal - at least as bold as say, trading Nomar out of the blue. Now I wouldn't have done it - but I also think big money, lucrative baseball teams should not be in the business of alienating/giving away/whatever superstars entering their prime. So I am clearly a bit of a weirdo.

[Old Red]

Not necessarily. He might have approved a trade to a championship contender.

 

I get that, but the point being the Red Sox could not have moved Bogey anyway with his say so.

[sk7326]

When you keep posting "the reports" that said Bloom was "never told he had to trade Betts," what is your point?

 

Yes, your big beef was the return, and as far as we know the only other discussion was with the Padres, and some think they would not take Price.

 

I have long thought and said, that the falling out between DD and upper brass probably began when they did not allow him to bring Kimbrell back or spend beyond the extensions after 2028. I'm not sure, if they told him not to make prospect trades at the deadline in 2019, but I do think he knew about plans for massive cuts to the budget after 2019, and that led to his departure.

 

DD wanted no part of what was handed to Bloom and actually began under DD.

 

I think there is a lot to this. If I were Dombrowski and my team came off of a historically great season - with a strong young positional core - I'd be trying to figure out how to win 2 or 3 more banners. But nothing they did in the 2018/19 offseason fit that mentality.

 

Contrast it to even something like 2005. Edgar Renteria was a disaster of a result, but an excellent IDEA. Let's take a weak position on our 2004 team and add an All-Star to it. Indeed, there has not even been many instances of Boston pushing their financial muscle around to make lower hanging moves.

[mvp 78]

That was just window dressing anyways, because Bogey had a no trade.

 

Most guys waive no trades to go to playoff contenders.

[mvp 78]

Not necessarily. He might have approved a trade to a championship contender.

 

Yup.

[a700hitter]

Used car salesman vibe from him.

He is very good at it. He has the vibe of a used car manager.

[Old Red]

Most guys waive no trades to go to playoff contenders.

 

I get that, but didn’t they say how much of a priority it was to resign him, so why would they even ponder the possibility of trading him? You mean that wasn’t all on the up, and up?

[mvp 78]

I get that, but didn’t they say how much of a priority it was to resign him, so why would they even ponder the possibility of trading him? You mean that wasn’t all on the up, and up?

 

It was a lie.

[Hugh2]

It was a lie.

 

I don't believe this.

 

I remember the look on Blooms face after Bogey signed with SD, he was legit distraught, really the only time I had seen him so.

 

I think he really thought he was going to resign him, and was even willing to go a little above his comfort level, perhaps one of the ONLY times he would have done so (which was a huge weakness on his part).

 

He was in a state of shock.

 

I would believe, or rather I DO believe that management made no real sincere attempts to retain him up until that point.

[oldtimer]

Now we are learning that Bloom could have traded Sale to a team who would have accepted the cost of his final 2 contract seasons and provide some players (probably not top quality) in return. Bloom turned that down, which in retrospect didn't help the Sox. Not having that essentially dead money contract hanging over the Sox might have allowed for the acquisition of one quality starter. The bottom line is that sometimes a trade not taken can be as negative as an acquisition not achieved.

[moonslav59]

Now we are learning that Bloom could have traded Sale to a team who would have accepted the cost of his final 2 contract seasons and provide some players (probably not top quality) in return. Bloom turned that down, which in retrospect didn't help the Sox. Not having that essentially dead money contract hanging over the Sox might have allowed for the acquisition of one quality starter. The bottom line is that sometimes a trade not taken can be as negative as an acquisition not achieved.

 

Assuming this is true.

 

It may not even be partially true.

[Hugh2]

Assuming this is true.

 

It may not even be partially true.

 

I could believe it's true, but something is missing. Like, and this is a shot in the dark, Henry and Co. agreed that they didn't want to trade Sale or something like that. But now they're using it to throw him under the bus.

 

People need to really stop and ask themselves, why is all this stuff coming out now? it's obviously being leaked by the Sox F.O. They have an agenda.

 

I can understand why that might sound like a conspiracy theory to some, but it's pretty obvious when you think about this. If anyone other than the F.O. new about this it would have been a pretty big news story, the press would not have sat on this.

 

It's pretty pathetic on the part of Henry and company if you ask me. I'm almost insulted.

[moonslav59]

I could believe it's true, but something is missing. Like, and this is a shot in the dark, Henry and Co. agreed that they didn't want to trade Sale or something like that. But now they're using it to throw him under the bus.

 

People need to really stop and ask themselves, why is all this stuff coming out now? it's obviously being leaked by the Sox F.O. They have an agenda.

 

I can understand why that might sound like a conspiracy theory to some, but it's pretty obvious when you think about this. If anyone other than the F.O. new about this it would have been a pretty big news story, the press would not have sat on this.

 

It's pretty pathetic on the part of Henry and company if you ask me. I'm almost insulted.

 

The other thing is, had an offer like that been made on Sale, top brass could have insisted Bloom pull the trigger. To act like they had no role in the choice is absurd and disingenuous.

 

[mvp 78]

The other thing is, had an offer like that been made on Sale, top brass could have insisted Bloom pull the trigger. To act like they had no role in the choice is absurd and disingenuous.

 

 

Bloom was the top brass. Is he going to Henry with every move? If so, this is a horrible decision tree.

[mvp 78]

I don't believe this.

 

I remember the look on Blooms face after Bogey signed with SD, he was legit distraught, really the only time I had seen him so.

 

I think he really thought he was going to resign him, and was even willing to go a little above his comfort level, perhaps one of the ONLY times he would have done so (which was a huge weakness on his part).

 

He was in a state of shock.

 

I would believe, or rather I DO believe that management made no real sincere attempts to retain him up until that point.

 

That picture wasn’t from that day. It was a stock photo.

[Hugh2]

That picture wasn’t from that day. It was a stock photo.

 

I should be more clear. I'm not talking about a "picture" i'm talking about the video of him from that day after finding out Bogey didn't sign with them.

[Hugh2]

Bloom was the top brass. Is he going to Henry with every move? If so, this is a horrible decision tree.

 

Probably not, but I'm sure certain moves have to be run by Henry. Who knows what that threshold is. 300 mil, 200 mil, 150 mil? IDK, but I'm sure there's a number that any guy working for Henry knows....hey, If i'm spending this I need to run it by the boss.

[moonslav59]

Bloom was the top brass. Is he going to Henry with every move? If so, this is a horrible decision tree.

 

This would not have been "every move." Trading Sale is major.

 

Now, if it was a last second trade deadline offer, maybe it never got to top brass.

 

Bloom was not "top brass."

[Old Red]

I could believe it's true, but something is missing. Like, and this is a shot in the dark, Henry and Co. agreed that they didn't want to trade Sale or something like that. But now they're using it to throw him under the bus.

 

People need to really stop and ask themselves, why is all this stuff coming out now? it's obviously being leaked by the Sox F.O. They have an agenda.

 

I can understand why that might sound like a conspiracy theory to some, but it's pretty obvious when you think about this. If anyone other than the F.O. new about this it would have been a pretty big news story, the press would not have sat on this.

 

It's pretty pathetic on the part of Henry and company if you ask me. I'm almost insulted.

I heard the team in question was Texas.

[Hugh2]

I heard the team in question was Texas.

 

I would believe that.

[dgalehouse]

We might be over analyzing the reason Bloom was let go. He has been at the helm for four years. In year one, the team finished last , 16 games out in a ( thankfully ) short season. In year two, there was much improvement . The team finished tied for second, 8 games out and had a nice little run in the playoffs. That gave hope for contending in the future. But in year three , the team slid back into the cellar , 21 games out. Now in year four , the team is again in last place, 18 games out. In no way can the team be called a contender these last two years. It is a disappointment no matter how you look at it. Now, they could have stuck with Bloom in hopes that his longer term plans worked out , but they obviously decided that it had gone long enough and that was a gamble they did not want to take. And that's that.

[moonslav59]

We might be over analyzing the reason Bloom was let go. He has been at the helm for four years. In year one, the team finished last , 16 games out in a ( thankfully ) short season. In year two, there was much improvement . The team finished tied for second, 8 games out and had a nice little run in the playoffs. That gave hope for contending in the future. But in year three , the team slid back into the cellar , 21 games out. Now in year four , the team is again in last place, 18 games out. In no way can the team be called a contender these last two years. It is a disappointment no matter how you look at it. Now, they could have stuck with Bloom in hopes that his longer term plans worked out , but they obviously decided that it had gone long enough and that was a gamble they did not want to take. And that's that.

 

I'll under analyze, here.

 

They felt the team should have done better, despite all the obstacles.

They want to go in a different direction.

[Tedballgame]

Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish aren't walking in that door.

[moonslav59]

Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish aren't walking in that door.

 

Am I on the right thread or blog, even?

[Nick]

Baseball America ranked Boston’s minor league system No. 30 (dead last) in 2019, before Bloom was hired. BA ranked the Red Sox No. 5 in its 2023 midseason organizational rankings and wrote, “The Red Sox are stocked with up-the-middle talent, as all of their top 10 positional prospects play in the middle infield, center field or catcher.

 

This current cache of prospect depth is likely Chaim Bloom’s greatest achievement during his time in Boston.Twenty-one of the prospects on Baseball America’s Red Sox Top 30 list are players Bloom either drafted, signed or acquired via trade. The other nine are holdovers from Dave Dombrowski’s tenure.

 

Bloom’s prospects: Marcelo Mayer (1), Roman Anthony (2), Miguel Bleis (3), Kyle Teel (4), Nick Yorke (5), Shane Drohan (9), Nathan Hickey (10), Yoeilin Cespedes (12), Nazzan Zanetello (13), Chase Meidroth (14), Blaze Jordan (15), Enmanuel Valdez (17), Antonio Anderson (18), Mikey Romero (19), David Hamilton (22), Johanfran Garcia (23), Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz (24), Brooks Brannon (25), Wilyer Abreu (26), Yordanny Monegro (29), Hunter Dobbins (30).

 

Dombrowski’s prospects: Ceddanne Rafaela (6), Luis Perales (7), Wikelman Gonzalez (8), Brainer Bonaci (11), Eddinson Paulino (16), Brandon Walter (20), Chris Murphy (21), Allan Castro (27), Angel Bastardo (28).

 

I really did think he'd get one more year......

[moonslav59]

Baseball America ranked Boston’s minor league system No. 30 (dead last) in 2019, before Bloom was hired. BA ranked the Red Sox No. 5 in its 2023 midseason organizational rankings and wrote, “The Red Sox are stocked with up-the-middle talent, as all of their top 10 positional prospects play in the middle infield, center field or catcher.

 

This current cache of prospect depth is likely Chaim Bloom’s greatest achievement during his time in Boston.Twenty-one of the prospects on Baseball America’s Red Sox Top 30 list are players Bloom either drafted, signed or acquired via trade. The other nine are holdovers from Dave Dombrowski’s tenure.

 

Bloom’s prospects: Marcelo Mayer (1), Roman Anthony (2), Miguel Bleis (3), Kyle Teel (4), Nick Yorke (5), Shane Drohan (9), Nathan Hickey (10), Yoeilin Cespedes (12), Nazzan Zanetello (13), Chase Meidroth (14), Blaze Jordan (15), Enmanuel Valdez (17), Antonio Anderson (18), Mikey Romero (19), David Hamilton (22), Johanfran Garcia (23), Elmer Rodriguez-Cruz (24), Brooks Brannon (25), Wilyer Abreu (26), Yordanny Monegro (29), Hunter Dobbins (30).

 

Dombrowski’s prospects: Ceddanne Rafaela (6), Luis Perales (7), Wikelman Gonzalez (8), Brainer Bonaci (11), Eddinson Paulino (16), Brandon Walter (20), Chris Murphy (21), Allan Castro (27), Angel Bastardo (28).

 

I really did think he'd get one more year......

 

I do think the farm was Bloom's top priority from above.

 

It's hard to know how good it really is. Remember, the farm DD inherited was ranked highly, but did not amount to much, except for what we got back from trading most of them.

 

I'm really excited about our prospects, and we've already seen more prospects make an impact, this year than I can remember for many years.

 

Thye influx has already started, and guys like Rafaela and Abreu promise more for 2024, and Teel, Anthony, Mayer and Wikleman for 2025. More beyond them!

[notin]

Larry Bird, Kevin McHale and Robert Parish aren't walking in that door.

 

Good thing. They’re all over 60 and none of them play baseball…

[notin]

Most guys waive no trades to go to playoff contenders.

 

But that doesn’t mean Bogaerts would have. Especially since Boston was only 3 games out at the time…

[jacksonianmarch]

Not untrue, but it works better than your ownership group overly loyal to Cashman.

 

Yanks have been in the POs many, many, many years since Cashman took over. I’ve been an ardent Cashman supporter up until the last two years. He’s botched two straight deadlines and botched the off-season. That’s enough to go after him now