Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[mvp 78]

That’s what I keep saying. Betts, Raffy, and Bogey should be the foundation now, and then added to that.

 

Probably could have either extended Bogey earlier or just let him go to FA and still had Betts and Raffy. I'm fine with letting Bogey go. You just can't let 2 of the 3 leave town.

[moonslav59]

I feel the same about RF bucko. You save him by playing him in LF. RF in Fenway is like playing CF.

 

It's not about my like of Duvall in RF: it's more about thinking O'Neill is an injury risk, too, as well as a declining defensive OF'er.

 

Again, I'm not sure why we fixate on OF'ers who really have no business playing CF or RF, especially in Fenway.

 

Yoshida

Duran

O'Neill

Refsnyder

 

Why add Soler or Duvall to the LF/DH mix?

 

I'd rather we just go with...

 

LF: Duran/O'Neill/Yoshida/Ref

 

CF: Rafaela/Duran

 

RF: Abreu/ O'Neill

 

Use every penny left on upgrading the pitching staff.

 

[Old Red]

Probably could have either extended Bogey earlier or just let him go to FA and still had Betts and Raffy. I'm fine with letting Bogey go. You just can't let 2 of the 3 leave town.

 

My point with Bogey has always been if they would have locked Bogey up to a better contract when he signed that 6 yr with no opt outs he’d have two more years to go right now that would have gotten then to Mayer.

[notin]

Probably could have either extended Bogey earlier or just let him go to FA and still had Betts and Raffy. I'm fine with letting Bogey go. You just can't let 2 of the 3 leave town.

 

I would have been with that of the one we kept was Betts…

[notin]

It's not about my like of Duvall in RF: it's more about thinking O'Neill is an injury risk, too, as well as a declining defensive OF'er.

 

Again, I'm not sure why we fixate on OF'ers who really have no business playing CF or RF, especially in Fenway.

 

Yoshida

Duran

O'Neill

Refsnyder

 

Why add Soler or Duvall to the LF/DH mix?

 

I'd rather we just go with...

 

LF: Duran/O'Neill/Yoshida/Ref

 

CF: Rafaela/Duran

 

RF: Abreu/ O'Neill

 

Use every penny left on upgrading the pitching staff.

 

 

 

Maybe to move Duran for a SP?

 

I’m much more ok with those moves if the follow ups address weaknesses while clearing logjams…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's February and soon Spring Training. THAT is always a positive.

 

However, if Duran is anointed the full-time centerfielder, it's going to be a short season. As in, he will shortly be replaced.

[mvp 78]

It's not about my like of Duvall in RF: it's more about thinking O'Neill is an injury risk, too, as well as a declining defensive OF'er.

 

Again, I'm not sure why we fixate on OF'ers who really have no business playing CF or RF, especially in Fenway.

 

Yoshida

Duran

O'Neill

Refsnyder

 

Why add Soler or Duvall to the LF/DH mix?

 

I'd rather we just go with...

 

LF: Duran/O'Neill/Yoshida/Ref

 

CF: Rafaela/Duran

 

RF: Abreu/ O'Neill

 

Use every penny left on upgrading the pitching staff.

 

 

It's only being brought up because the rumors are still floating around.

[mvp 78]

Maybe to move Duran for a SP?

 

I’m much more ok with those moves if the follow ups address weaknesses while clearing logjams…

 

They said they were shopping their OFers, but we haven't seen anything happen. Maybe because the FA signings took too long? Maybe there will be an in season move?

[notin]

My point with Bogey has always been if they would have locked Bogey up to a better contract when he signed that 6 yr with no opt outs he’d have two more years to go right now that would have gotten then to Mayer.

 

I would have greatly preferred locking up Bogaerts over Sale, although none of us knows what it would have taken to lock up Bogaerts in a deal with no opt outs…

[notin]

They said they were shopping their OFers, but we haven't seen anything happen. Maybe because the FA signings took too long? Maybe there will be an in season move?

 

The only thing they have going for them is that after Bellinger, the available outfield talent drops precipitously. Teams like Houston, Cleveland, San Diego, and Cincinnati that have questionable starting outfields might be more interested soon.

 

I assume the Sox OF on the move is Duran, but it might just as easily be Rafaela or Abreu…

[mvp 78]

I would have greatly preferred locking up Bogaerts over Sale, although none of us knows what it would have taken to lock up Bogaerts in a deal with no opt outs…

 

We don't know, but it would have likely been less than what the Padres offered him. Would he have taken the Story deal if they didn't sign Story?

[notin]

We don't know, but it would have likely been less than what the Padres offered him. Would he have taken the Story deal if they didn't sign Story?

 

That’s a mystery.

 

I have to think Dombrowski offered that deal at a minimum, right? He wasn’t exactly one to hold back on the cash…

[mvp 78]

The only thing they have going for them is that after Bellinger, the available outfield talent drops precipitously. Teams like Houston, Cleveland, San Diego, and Cincinnati that have questionable starting outfields might be more interested soon.

 

I assume the Sox OF on the move is Duran, but it might just as easily be Rafaela or Abreu…

 

Maybe? But why spend the money just to do it? HOU has to worry about Altuve and Bregman in the near future. Maybe they don't want to spend on Bellinger. Cleveland and Cincinnati aren't big spenders. SD is pulling back on spending since their owners death (likely splurged knowing what was going on with his health). The best fit is Chicago, but that ownership is wrapped up with the PGA stuff that Henry is involved in. Cubs and Sox just seem like they are not wanting to put their best foot forward anymore. The lovable Cubbies are getting more of a pass though.

[mvp 78]

That’s a mystery.

 

I have to think Dombrowski offered that deal at a minimum, right? He wasn’t exactly one to hold back on the cash…

 

Maybe? We just don't know. His focus was probably on Betts at the time. Xander wasn't leaving until '22.

[moonslav59]

That’s a mystery.

 

I have to think Dombrowski offered that deal at a minimum, right? He wasn’t exactly one to hold back on the cash…

 

That also seemed like the time period, JH was more likely to say, "Yes."

[Bellhorn04]

We don't know, but it would have likely been less than what the Padres offered him. Would he have taken the Story deal if they didn't sign Story?

 

If the Sox had offered him what they eventually did offer too late, 6/162, I think that would have gotten it done.

[mvp 78]

If the Sox had offered him what they eventually did offer too late, 6/162, I think that would have gotten it done.

 

And extend Raffy earlier for cheaper money! I just don't understand why the Sox are the way they are.

[mvp 78]

That also seemed like the time period, JH was more likely to say, "Yes."

 

They weren't saying yes to Betts.

[Bellhorn04]

And extend Raffy earlier for cheaper money! I just don't understand why the Sox are the way they are.

 

Mainly because Henry isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is when it comes to his baseball team.

[mvp 78]

He needs to take a step back and let Crag do his thing. Also, get Sam and Tom away from the mic. Let Crag clear out whatever EVP he feels is superfluous.

[notin]

He needs to take a step back and let Crag do his thing. Also, get Sam and Tom away from the mic. Let Crag clear out whatever EVP he feels is superfluous.

 

Or.. how about he keeps whatever EVP isn’t. I assume that’s a much smaller list…

[Hugh2]

At this point, if the Red Sox were to sign Montgomery or Snell to a market value deal would the perception of ownership change? Or would the narrative be that they freaked out and overpaid a guy to appease the fan base?

[mvp 78]

At this point, if the Red Sox were to sign Montgomery or Snell to a market value deal would the perception of ownership change? Or would the narrative be that they freaked out and overpaid a guy to appease the fan base?

 

I think they already screwed up their perception pretty badly. People would now just say "they had to do it."

[Bellhorn04]

At this point, if the Red Sox were to sign Montgomery or Snell to a market value deal would the perception of ownership change? Or would the narrative be that they freaked out and overpaid a guy to appease the fan base?

 

I think they already screwed up their perception pretty badly. People would now just say "they had to do it."

 

Sad but true. The last few years they insist on making themselves look like chumps, even when they do something right.

[Hugh2]

I think they already screwed up their perception pretty badly. People would now just say "they had to do it."

 

Oh I’d agree their perception is already screwed up.

 

But money being even, I think the move now gets criticized more than it would if it was made in December. Which, as angry as I am at ownership….kind of does not make any sense.

[Bellhorn04]

Oh I’d agree their perception is already screwed up.

 

But money being even, I think the move now gets criticized more than it would if it was made in December. Which, as angry as I am at ownership….kind of does not make any sense.

 

Actually if they sign Montgomery or Snell on a reasonable deal I think it will turn most people's opinions around to some degree. It would only reflect badly if the deal was a major overpay, but that seems like the remotest of possibilities.

[Hugh2]

Actually if they sign Montgomery or Snell on a reasonable deal I think it will turn most people's opinions around to some degree. It would only reflect badly if the deal was a major overpay, but that seems like the remotest of possibilities.

 

Odds are most people view it as a gross overpay. It very well may be an overpay, but to many fans (of all teams) market value is always a gross overpay.

 

Those fans will only respond to results on the field at this, that’s the only thing that will turn around some perceptions.

 

And I’m not arguing against that perception one bit.

[mvp 78]

@SmittyOnMLB

Red Sox sign Alex Rodriguez’s nephew, assign him to Worcester

[notin]

I think they already screwed up their perception pretty badly. People would now just say "they had to do it."

 

But then doing something because “you had to” still trumps ignoring the issue altogether. That latter option is still in play here…

[moonslav59]

If the Sox had offered him what they eventually did offer too late, 6/162, I think that would have gotten it done.

 

I think so, too, but we'll never know.