Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[Bellhorn04]

It seems to me that if they thought he was worth the money, they would have given it to him. They keep getting linked to him, but are probably hoping for a deep discount so that the contract matches what they feel he is worth (i.e. much less than what was projected prior to the offseason).

 

Yeah, unfortunately we have no clue what his price is.

 

If they make it through today, Boras's Fearsome Foursome will be unsigned on February 1.

[moonslav59]

Yeah, unfortunately we have no clue what his price is.

 

If they make it through today, Boras's Fearsome Foursome will be unsigned on February 1.

 

I'm wondering at what price we would sign Montgomery and how far it will end up from what he ends up getting. It may be closer than we think.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm wondering at what price we would sign Montgomery and how far it will end up from what he ends up getting. It may be closer than we think.

 

I'm afraid his price will drop to $100 mill or less and the Sox will pass anyway. That should go over well!

[notin]

Yes, I know.

 

I'm thinking we should be able to sign Lauer and Duvall and still be under that $10M line. Hell, we could probably sign Monty and be at the line.

 

 

If Jordan Montgomery is looking for an AAV greater than $25mill, maybe passing isn’t the wrong move…

[moonslav59]

If Jordan Montgomery is looking for an AAV greater than $25mill, maybe passing isn’t the wrong move…

 

I can understand that, especially for a 31 year old to a team seemingly looking at 2+ years from now.

[moonslav59]

I'm afraid his price will drop to $100 mill or less and the Sox will pass anyway. That should go over well!

 

If it's $19M x 5. that's the same AAV as Gio.

 

I'll be bummed.

 

He's not the only SP'er signed, I wish we had signed.

 

It looks like the team is content with finding out, maybe once and for all, whether a bunch of our tweeners can stick as starters.

 

I think Pivetta will start, all year, but he has one year left. Maybe we try to extend him. Maybe the payday he wants is out of our current range.

 

Crawford, Houck, Whitlock and maybe even Wink will be given a look, again, at starting. If they fail, I hope it doesn't mess them up as future RP'ers. If they succeed, maybe we can get to the point where JH feels we are one big pitcher away from possible glory. I'm not confident that happens, but 2024 is shaping up as the "Look-See Season," on the farm, too.

 

Catcher: Can Wong and McGuire step up their overall game and become complete catchers? Can one? Will one win the back-up role to Teel, if Teel looks great, this summer?

 

1B: Will Casas continue to build our confidence in him as a bigtime hitter while improving his defense?

 

2B: Can Grissom come close to the hype?

 

SS: Can Mayer prove he belongs in the top 50 prospect list and earn a shot at the bigs, next season?

 

3B: Can Devers have a career year and get more consistent on D, and I don't mean consistently awful.

 

LF: Can Duran keep the improvement rolling in 2024. That stretch in 2023 looked very promising.

 

CF: Can Rafaela make contact enough to come close to a .700 OPS? His D would carry that. Can Anthony jump to the bigs by 2024?

 

RF: Can Abreu prove he can win the RF job by the end of 2023? (If all 4 OF'ers take a stride forward, we can look very good, going forward.)

 

DH: Yoshida looks to have the majority PAs at DH locked up for 4 more years. (EValdez?)

 

SP: We have a few guys that may prove they belong in the rotation, going forward. The problem is we need 4 for 2025 (w Bello.)

 

RP: We lose Jansen & Martin after 2023. Can we cobble together 8 RP'ers that can be better than average?

[notin]

I can understand that, especially for a 31 year old to a team seemingly looking at 2+ years from now.

 

 

And with a fairly strong FA class next year.

 

The Dodgers were able to go crazy in free agency this year because they didn’t go after deGrom, Verlander, and Rodon last year…

[notin]

Some talking heads still think the Sox are in it for not only Montgomery, but also Soler as well…

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/predictions-mlbs-top-remaining-2024-111429456.html

[moonslav59]

And with a fairly strong FA class next year.

 

The Dodgers were able to go crazy in free agency this year because they didn’t go after deGrom, Verlander, and Rodon last year…

 

I'm still hopeful this is just a cycle, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, I am not expecting big spending, again.

 

If and when it happens, great, but I'm expecting nothing.

[moonslav59]

Some talking heads still think the Sox are in it for not only Montgomery, but also Soler as well…

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/predictions-mlbs-top-remaining-2024-111429456.html

 

I like this one...

 

At some point, public shaming of Red Sox officials for their lack of action has to pay off.

[mvp 78]

I'm afraid his price will drop to $100 mill or less and the Sox will pass anyway. That should go over well!

 

Snell is 4/110

Monty is 5/100

 

That's my guess.

[mvp 78]

And with a fairly strong FA class next year.

 

The Dodgers were able to go crazy in free agency this year because they didn’t go after deGrom, Verlander, and Rodon last year…

 

We said that last offseason. It's a strong FA class because those players are leaving other teams. Those other teams will need to fill those holes. That doesn't make it easy for the Sox to pick those guys up or really even suppress salaries. I understand why teams aren't jumping all over Bellinger, Snell and Montgomery. Those three players aren't exactly slam dunk FA signings.

[Old Red]

Snell is 4/110

Monty is 5/100

 

That's my guess.

 

Snell reportedly turned down 5/$150M from the Yankees. Are you saying the mighty Boras has overplayed his hand?

Edited January 31, 2024 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Snell is 4/110

Monty is 5/100

 

That's my guess.

 

So, those who said the Yamo deal was going to push these two to extremely high contracts, were wrong?

[Dipre]

Snell reportedly turned down 5/$150M from the Yankees. Are you saying the mighty Boris has overplayed his hand?

 

Boris? Is that a Russian drug lord?

[notin]

Snell is 4/110

Monty is 5/100

 

That's my guess.

 

I'm going over on both. Even JD Martinez, when he signed with Boston, had less league-wide interest and took longer to sign and still got a deal in between those two.

 

If either pitcher takes a deal in that range, it will have an opt out after years one or two. Or both...

[notin]

Boris? Is that a Russian drug lord?

 

He's the guy who keep trying to recruit the moose and squirrel...

[Old Red]

He's the guy who keep trying to recruit the moose and squirrel...

 

JH’s silent partner.

[moonslav59]

He's the guy who keep trying to recruit the moose and squirrel...

 

He never got either one to sign on the dotted line.

[moonslav59]

Wandy Peralta to Padres for about $4.1M x 4.

[mvp 78]

Snell reportedly turned down 5/$150M from the Yankees. Are you saying the mighty Boras has overplayed his hand?

 

Reportedly...

[mvp 78]

Boris? Is that a Russian drug lord?

 

I thought Boris was Japanese? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boris_(band)

[Hugh2]

Reportedly...

 

Allegedly the Yankees weren't bidding with anyone and that has been his best offer.

 

Boras is good at what he does, but lets not pretend like he's never had a client go unsigned and have to play in Japan for a year OR settle for a one year deal and hit the market next year.

 

Here's the problem with Montgomery and Snell, next years pitching market is better and has 4-5 guys that would probably be picked before them at this point. Waiting out a year to hit next years market does not exactly help them.

 

There's either a mystery team out there, Baltimore enters the bidding (despite recent news I actually highly doubt this for this year) OR Boras has actually fugded things up for once.

 

We will know more when these guys actually sign come March.

[mvp 78]

@tylermilliken_

Another week of @JonHeyman saying he thinks the Red Sox are going to do something.

 

Connects them to Jorge Soler, J.D. Martinez, Blake Snell, and Jordan Montgomery.

 

Heyman did say it seems like ownership is busy with Liverpool.

[mvp 78]

@tylermilliken_

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@BNightengale still believes the Red Sox are signing Jorge Soler.

 

"The Red Sox have been relatively quiet all winter (with the only noise being the fanbase screaming for action) but the unrest should at least be momentarily subdued with a Soler signing."

[notin]

@tylermilliken_

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@BNightengale still believes the Red Sox are signing Jorge Soler.

 

"The Red Sox have been relatively quiet all winter (with the only noise being the fanbase screaming for action) but the unrest should at least be momentarily subdued with a Soler signing."

 

A Soler signing will not subdue the unrest in the same way aspirin will not subdue the Ebola virus…

[moonslav59]

A Soler signing will not subdue the unrest in the same way aspirin will not subdue the Ebola virus…

 

It would not be much different than the Turner or Duvall signings, last year.

 

It would actually make me more suspect about the team's ability to identify their highest need area and fill it accordingly.

[mvp 78]

It would not be much different than the Turner or Duvall signings, last year.

 

It would actually make me more suspect about the team's ability to identify their highest need area and fill it accordingly.

It would be worse than Duvall and Turner as Soler is a DH only bat. He has no other utility.

[moonslav59]

It would be worse than Duvall and Turner as Soler is a DH only bat. He has no other utility.

 

Agreed.

 

It would force Yoshida or Soler to play LF just about every game. That forces Duran to CF and O'Neill to RF.

 

It makes no sense.

 

It may move the needle for me, but in the wrong direction!

[notin]

It would be worse than Duvall and Turner as Soler is a DH only bat. He has no other utility.

 

That’s why I greatly prefer Duvall over Soler…