Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[moonslav59]

Firing Bloom was a stall move by JH & Co to get fan forbearance by being able to say that Breslow has a new plan that will take 4 years to reach fruition. Kick the can down the road. I understand that if the deals being offered don't make sense , then don't participate in craziness. The price of poker is what it is for big market ( national fan base ) teams , so it looks like the Sox ownership has lost interest and folded.

 

But the line is moving and nothing to improve the team ( Dugo by subtraction?) has been done. In fact, the roster is less by multiple players ( Turner, Duvall, Verdugo ) than it was September 30.

 

Not a single Sox fan is going to buy even a hint at a 4 year rebuild.

 

The sham has been exposed. Firing Bloom fooled nobody. Hiring Brez will only work, if they give him the budget and free reign with the farm.

 

I'll believe that, when I see it. The talk mean nothing, anymore. We need to see action, and I'm not talking a singular signing like Monty, either.

 

Plus, even signing him is unlikely and comes up short on what this team needs, this winter. I'll say it again...

 

How Soon Is Now?

 

[Jasonbay44]

The Sox have done absolutely nothing to show they even want to be somewhat competitive this season. I think I’m turning off auto renewal for MLB.TV

[Randy Red Sox]

The Sox have done absolutely nothing to show they even want to be somewhat competitive this season. I think I’m turning off auto renewal for MLB.TV

 

i did that 2 years ago

[Randy Red Sox]

Not a single Sox fan is going to buy even a hint at a 4 year rebuild.

 

The sham has been exposed. Firing Bloom fooled nobody. Hiring Brez will only work, if they give him the budget and free reign with the farm.

 

I'll believe that, when I see it. The talk mean nothing, anymore. We need to see action, and I'm not talking a singular signing like Monty, either.

 

Plus, even signing him is unlikely and comes up short on what this team needs, this winter. I'll say it again...

 

How Soon Is Now?

 

get ready for the string of minor league signings along with a Kluber type or 2

[cp176]

The money and the years being offered has gone beyond ridiculous. I've said right along that there is a lot more factoring into these high profile signings than the money. These types of players apparently command so much money that a few loose millions here and there really don't matter. Moto went where he wanted to go now we'll see how the Dodgers do it. As much as I would like to think that Boston is a destination that the biggest and best stars want to be, I just don't think that that is clear thinking. I really hope that this doesn't lead to a nut brained financial decision to sign some other over rated star that just ties up any money that Jh feels that he has to spend. Maybe the red sox intend to step back and really look at where this economic market has gone. It has gone crazy - maybe they don't want to play it. I don't blame them. If there is a chance to make a reasonably sensible signing then do it. Make a few trades that might bolster what we don't have - pitching. Build it from within. It would keep my interest.

[Hugh2]

Sox ownership is officially on put up or shut up. And they're not putting anything up.

 

Last year was the first year in almost 20 years I didn't go to a game, this year is looking like the second year. I like 2.5 hours from Fenway, it's a whole day/event to take time off from work, spend the gas, money on parking, food, tickets for me and GF/kids etc etc. All to see a last place team lose.

 

To be fair, the offseason the Sox need to have is still there for the taking. They can sign Montgomery + plus add another #3type pitcher and a RHH 2nd baseman. I will retract my comments if they can do that, but as I said in the beginning. It's officially put up or shut up season and I've lost faith in this organization having the balls to compete.

 

I'm going to take out an ad in Boston "fan base seeks wealthy ownership who actually cares about winning" I'll drop my money on that before I drop it on tickets.

[Hugh2]

The money and the years being offered has gone beyond ridiculous. I've said right along that there is a lot more factoring into these high profile signings than the money. These types of players apparently command so much money that a few loose millions here and there really don't matter. Moto went where he wanted to go now we'll see how the Dodgers do it. As much as I would like to think that Boston is a destination that the biggest and best stars want to be, I just don't think that that is clear thinking. I really hope that this doesn't lead to a nut brained financial decision to sign some other over rated star that just ties up any money that Jh feels that he has to spend. Maybe the red sox intend to step back and really look at where this economic market has gone. It has gone crazy - maybe they don't want to play it. I don't blame them. If there is a chance to make a reasonably sensible signing then do it. Make a few trades that might bolster what we don't have - pitching. Build it from within. It would keep my interest.

 

I don't fully disagree, but you have to spend the money. Montgomery/Snell are the two best pitchers on the market and they're going to get $200 million plus. If we are not willing to stomach those financial committments as a fan base then we don't have a right to complain. We should be happy trying to be the Braves but only being the Athletics.

[cp176]

Sox ownership is officially on put up or shut up. And they're not putting anything up.

 

Last year was the first year in almost 20 years I didn't go to a game, this year is looking like the second year. I like 2.5 hours from Fenway, it's a whole day/event to take time off from work, spend the gas, money on parking, food, tickets for me and GF/kids etc etc. All to see a last place team lose.

 

To be fair, the offseason the Sox need to have is still there for the taking. They can sign Montgomery + plus add another #3type pitcher and a RHH 2nd baseman. I will retract my comments if they can do that, but as I said in the beginning. It's officially put up or shut up season and I've lost faith in this organization having the balls to compete.

 

I'm going to take out an ad in Boston "fan base seeks wealthy ownership who actually cares about winning" I'll drop my money on that before I drop it on tickets.

 

I'm really right on the same wave length as you. Although I have to say that I hope that if any free agents get signed going forward, they aren't signed simply to appease the fan base that they know might prefer watching amateur baseball as opposed to going to a very expensive place to watch a game featuring average professional baseball talent.

[Hugh2]

I'm really right on the same wave length as you. Although I have to say that I hope that if any free agents get signed going forward, they aren't signed simply to appease the fan base that they know might prefer watching amateur baseball as opposed to going to a very expensive place to watch a game featuring average professional baseball talent.

 

 

Exactly, I'd rather suck for another year and do things right than freak out and overpay. The last thing I want to do is see this organization make a bunch of freaks out moves to turn this organization into decades of being the the Angels. Get a few stars and never go anywhere with them.

[redsoxrules]

The problem now is with Yamamoto signing with the Dodgers , the price for Snell and Montgomery just got higher as those who missed out will be going hard for those 2.

[Dipre]

I said with ample time on here that if the Sox felt they didn't have a real chance to sign Yama-san they should pivot to Montgomery-Imanaga before their market blew up. 200 mill for Montgomery is outrageous, but may be what he ends up getting.

[notin]

I said with ample time on here that if the Sox felt they didn't have a real chance to sign Yama-san they should pivot to Montgomery-Imanaga before their market blew up. 200 mill for Montgomery is outrageous, but may be what he ends up getting.

 

There was no “pivot before their markets blow up” for Montgomery; that’s exactly what he wanted to happen. The only way to sign Montgomery before Yamamoto signed and his market blew up was to preemptively blow up his market…

[notin]

The problem now is with Yamamoto signing with the Dodgers , the price for Snell and Montgomery just got higher as those who missed out will be going hard for those 2.

 

Well, maybe not.

 

There are teams that simply liked Yamamoto and wanted him. And rather than dump $200mill+ for 8 years on a pitcher they don’t like, might be willing to wait for a pitcher they do.

 

Of course some teams will just want pitching…

[cp176]

I said with ample time on here that if the Sox felt they didn't have a real chance to sign Yama-san they should pivot to Montgomery-Imanaga before their market blew up. 200 mill for Montgomery is outrageous, but may be what he ends up getting.

 

Looking back at it, I kind of wish that they had considered going after other pitching options while everybody else was fussing about where the big money to Moto was coming from. The price of any pitching now might be more than JH wants to shell out. I'm hoping that they must have known what their competition for him was going to be and whether or not they were actually going to compete for him. Hind sight for me sucks some time.

[Elktonnick]

Not a single Sox fan is going to buy even a hint at a 4 year rebuild.

 

The sham has been exposed. Firing Bloom fooled nobody. Hiring Brez will only work, if they give him the budget and free reign with the farm.

 

I'll believe that, when I see it. The talk mean nothing, anymore. We need to see action, and I'm not talking a singular signing like Monty, either.

 

Plus, even signing him is unlikely and comes up short on what this team needs, this winter. I'll say it again...

 

How Soon Is Now?

 

 

OMG it finally happened Moon has transitioned into Seabeachfred !

[Hugh2]

I said with ample time on here that if the Sox felt they didn't have a real chance to sign Yama-san they should pivot to Montgomery-Imanaga before their market blew up. 200 mill for Montgomery is outrageous, but may be what he ends up getting.

 

 

The price for those guys was always going to be above $200 in my opinion. And no one else was able to sign them up until now either, so we can deduce it would have taken a substantial offer to get them to break their "wait and see" mode, that price tag was over $200 million. Always was.

 

Honestly, they could be fine with Montgomery + Giolito. Jordan won't cost you a draft pick, and if Breslow/Bailey think they can fix Giolito he could be the pickup of the offseason.

 

I honestly believe that we have more of a chance of signing Montgomery with Yamamoto going to LA opposed to NYY, if the Yankees signed Yamamoto they'd probably be ok with letting Cole opt out and walk. Why not? you can replace him with a 25 year old ace and take that money and try to resign Soto. (they couldn't have all three and avoid being over the threshold for a 4th year!!!!!) The Yankees won't have the same mentality with Montgomery, but LA would have made a strong run at him if the Yankees landed Yamamoto EDIT: just because they hypothetically have the best position to sign Montgomery doesn't mean they will. As a matter of fact they've put us in a position to believe they will not.

 

I truly believe this, but I'm also starting to realize that all this means jack squat if ownership won't give Breslow the checkbook. I actually really like Breslow a lot, from his philosophy and focus on pitching and the guys he has brought in like Bailey. But the reality is, without allowing him the ability to go out and sign real pitching talent, it's going to take a few years for his system to get pitchers developed and into the majors. He doesn't have that with this fan base, they are going to do to Breslow what the Patriots did to Mac Jones. That's me being cynical perhaps, and assuming Breslow can't sign guys because of ownership is pure conjecture on my part. But I think I have very good reason to make that latter assumption. We are a big market team, and our biggest free agent signing the past ten years have been David Price and Trevor Story. And one of those guys signing is almost a decade apart from today.

[mvp 78]

The problem now is with Yamamoto signing with the Dodgers , the price for Snell and Montgomery just got higher as those who missed out will be going hard for those 2.

 

Red Sox and Mets have already said they are out on those two. With less bidders, the price may not be as high as those players would expect. Especially since Yamamoto took less AAV than we thought he would.

[mvp 78]

I said with ample time on here that if the Sox felt they didn't have a real chance to sign Yama-san they should pivot to Montgomery-Imanaga before their market blew up. 200 mill for Montgomery is outrageous, but may be what he ends up getting.

 

Maybe, but it would be hilarious for the Yankees to sign him to that just a short time after dumping him thinking he wasn't good enough for their playoff roster.

[mvp 78]

Looking back at it, I kind of wish that they had considered going after other pitching options while everybody else was fussing about where the big money to Moto was coming from. The price of any pitching now might be more than JH wants to shell out. I'm hoping that they must have known what their competition for him was going to be and whether or not they were actually going to compete for him. Hind sight for me sucks some time.

 

I agree. It's time for them to drink from the firehose and fill out their rotation.

[mvp 78]

I think Yamamoto going to the Dodgers is better than if he went to the Yanks or Mets. One, Henry can't bitch about Cohen like last year. Two, he won't be in the AL East.

[mvp 78]

The price for those guys was always going to be above $200 in my opinion. And no one else was able to sign them up until now either, so we can deduce it would have taken a substantial offer to get them to break their "wait and see" mode, that price tag was over $200 million. Always was.

 

Honestly, they could be fine with Montgomery + Giolito. Jordan won't cost you a draft pick, and if Breslow/Bailey think they can fix Giolito he could be the pickup of the offseason.

 

I honestly believe that we have more of a chance of signing Montgomery with Yamamoto going to LA opposed to NYY, if the Yankees signed Yamamoto they'd probably be ok with letting Cole opt out and walk. Why not? you can replace him with a 25 year old ace and take that money and try to resign Soto. (they couldn't have all three and avoid being over the threshold for a 4th year!!!!!) The Yankees won't have the same mentality with Montgomery, but LA would have made a strong run at him if the Yankees landed Yamamoto EDIT: just because they hypothetically have the best position to sign Montgomery doesn't mean they will. As a matter of fact they've put us in a position to believe they will not.

 

I truly believe this, but I'm also starting to realize that all this means jack squat if ownership won't give Breslow the checkbook. I actually really like Breslow a lot, from his philosophy and focus on pitching and the guys he has brought in like Bailey. But the reality is, without allowing him the ability to go out and sign real pitching talent, it's going to take a few years for his system to get pitchers developed and into the majors. He doesn't have that with this fan base, they are going to do to Breslow what the Patriots did to Mac Jones. That's me being cynical perhaps, and assuming Breslow can't sign guys because of ownership is pure conjecture on my part. But I think I have very good reason to make that latter assumption. We are a big market team, and our biggest free agent signing the past ten years have been David Price and Trevor Story. And one of those guys signing is almost a decade apart from today.

 

Monty is a good pitcher, but they may not value him enough to pull the trigger on a 7/8 year deal. Yesterday, I wondered if they go a tier below and grab guys on shorter deals. I still feel the same today.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If Yo Yama is good as all the big spenders think he's going to be, then keeping him out of the Bronx or Ontario is today's victory for Red Sox Fifth-Best Nation.

 

We'll see what kind of moves the O's without-closer and Rays without-McLan/Glasnow can make, if any, to sustain contention.

 

But right now, the Red Sox can still greatly improve their MLB roster and compete -- IF THEY WANT TO...

[cp176]

I think Yamamoto going to the Dodgers is better than if he went to the Yanks or Mets. One, Henry can't bitch about Cohen like last year. Two, he won't be in the AL East.

 

That is the silver lining. I will still be anxious to see the kid pitch though.

[Hugh2]

Monty is a good pitcher, but they may not value him enough to pull the trigger on a 7/8 year deal. Yesterday, I wondered if they go a tier below and grab guys on shorter deals. I still feel the same today.

 

Agreed, I suppose I don't have to chance my tag line just yet with a few top teir pitchers still out there, but it ain't looking good. I will believe this team can make big moves after they actually make a couple.

[mvp 78]

If Yo Yama is good as all the big spenders think he's going to be, then keeping him out of the Bronx or Ontario is today's victory for Red Sox Fifth-Best Nation.

 

We'll see what kind of moves the O's without-closer and Rays without-McLan/Glasnow can make, if any, to sustain contention.

 

But right now, the Red Sox can still greatly improve their MLB roster and compete -- IF THEY WANT TO...

 

Which way FO?

 

Bob Dylan's Desire Side A (Hurricane)

 

Bob Dylan's Desire Side B (Joey)

[mvp 78]

That is the silver lining. I will still be anxious to see the kid pitch though.

 

And with the Dodgers being in a different time zone, a lot of their games won't conflict with Sox games.

[mvp 78]

Agreed, I suppose I don't have to chance my tag line just yet with a few top teir pitchers still out there, but it ain't looking good. I will believe this team can make big moves after they actually make a couple.

 

We'll see if they make a couple because of Ying and Yang.

 

Werner: wants the stars for his live action baseball tv show on NESN

 

Henry: wants to show everyone how smart he is by getting undervalued guys and succeeding

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

Henry: wants to show everyone how smart he is by getting undervalued guys and succeeding

 

Here, Johnny -- let me fix that spelling for your fifth-best Sox: suck seeding.

[Bellhorn04]

Red Sox and Mets have already said they are out on those two.

 

Huh?

[Bellhorn04]

I think Yamamoto going to the Dodgers is better than if he went to the Yanks or Mets. One, Henry can't bitch about Cohen like last year. Two, he won't be in the AL East.

 

Don't rule out Henry complaining about the Dodgers' massive spree.