Red Sox Starting Rotation 2023

[moonslav59]

Top 5 fWAR pitchers on the 2022 Sox:

 

In order

 

Hill

Schreiber

Wacha

Pivetta

Whitlock

 

(Bello was the first pre-Bloom pitcher on the list at#6.)

 

This year, it’s all on Bloom.

[Bellhorn04]

Also, saying "if we use 160 innings as a full season" is a little silly as he's only pitched over 160 innings TWICE in his 12 years pitching professionally (even including MiLB innings).

 

Just trying to convert it to a rate stat.

[mvp 78]

Thanks for reposting the OTM quote. You should put it in the Fire Bloom thread too. It rings true, even if slightly hyperbolic

 

On TalkSox, hyperbole is the main course.

[redsoxrules]

Sounds like Sale will be out longer than expected. Been transferred to the 60 day DL

[Bellhorn04]

Sounds like Sale will be out longer than expected. Been transferred to the 60 day DL

 

That's not longer than I expected, unfortunately.

[Old Red]

That's not longer than I expected, unfortunately.

 

Any plan that included Chris Frail in it this year was a bad plan.

[Bellhorn04]

Any plan that included Chris Frail in it this year was a bad plan.

 

*Sigh* Hopefully he's back some time this year.

[Old Red]

*Sigh* Hopefully he's back some time this year.

 

Hopefully he stays off his bike.

[Old Red]

Sounds like Sale will be out longer than expected. Been transferred to the 60 day DL

 

Stress reaction in L scapula.

[notin]

That's not longer than I expected, unfortunately.

 

But hey, Sale almost got to 60 IP this year…

[notin]

Hopefully he stays off his bike.

 

Does it matter? Sale could sustain a season ending injury while reading a book…

[Nick]

I am officially done with Sale.

 

Obviously I was hoping and not facing the reality of his health.

 

You can't build a team around him.

[Nick]

1 Bello

2 Whitlock

3 Houck

4 Crawford

 

Thats about it going into 2024.

 

Needs lot of work here.

[notin]

Over the last 3 seasons, 2021-2023, he has an accumulated fWAR of 4.3 in 320 innings. If we use 160 innings as a full season, that's 2.15 fWAR per season. That's a tick above average, a solid #3 starter.

 

And also a pitcher who NEVER pitches a full season by that definition. And one San Diego gave a 3 year player option to if he does get hurt…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Based on Sale's pitching delivery, who would ever have thought he would develop arm issues? Obviously not the SOX FO.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Unfortunately, the Dodgers won't be able to help the SOX with the Sale situation.

[moonslav59]

Based on Sale's pitching delivery, who would ever have thought he would develop arm issues? Obviously not the SOX FO.

 

There was a lot of talk about this when we made the trade. The trade was great. The extension but us in the ass and more body parts I should not mention.

[notin]

Based on Sale's pitching delivery, who would ever have thought he would develop arm issues? Obviously not the SOX FO.

 

To be fair, that decision was the previous Sox front office…

[moonslav59]

To be fair, that decision was the previous Sox front office…

 

As was the JD deal, the Bogey opt out extension, the Nate extension, bringing Back Pearce and not Kimbrell or Kelly…

[Old Red]

As was the JD deal, the Bogey opt out extension, the Nate extension, bringing Back Pearce and not Kimbrell or Kelly…

 

Ah yes the previous front office who had 4 winning seasons in a row not to mention the best record in Red Sox history with a WS Title to boot. What amazes me is when posters on here try to make it look like Bloom knows what he is doing, and is good at his job it usually doesn’t, and shows he isn’t good at his job. The best way to look at things is simple. The previous front office was all WINNERS, and the current front office has been mostly losers.

Edited June 10, 2023 by Old Red

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Ah yes the previous front office who had 4 winning seasons in a row not to mention the best record in Red Sox history with a WS Title to boot. What amazes me is when posters on here try to make it look like Bloom knows what he is doing, and is good at his job it usually doesn’t, and shows he isn’t good at his job. The best way to look at things is simple. The previous front office was all WINNERS, and the current front office has been mostly losers.

 

I don't have employee lists, but have to assume some current guys have worked for the organization since before Bloom was hired. For example, GM Brian O'Halloran has been around for all four rings this century.

 

If anything, some of us are still waiting for and wondering when Bloom will recruit other like-minded execs from actually successful franchises that share his vision.

[Old Red]

I don't have employee lists, but have to assume some current guys have worked for the organization since before Bloom was hired. For example, GM Brian O'Halloran has been around for all four rings this century.

 

If anything, some of us are still waiting for and wondering when Bloom will recruit other like-minded execs from actually successful franchises that share his vision.

The Red Sox could have picked the wrong nerd away from Tampa. Tampa certainly hasn’t missed Bloom.

[notin]

Ah yes the previous front office who had 4 winning seasons in a row not to mention the best record in Red Sox history with a WS Title to boot. What amazes me is when posters on here try to make it look like Bloom knows what he is doing, and is good at his job it usually doesn’t, and shows he isn’t good at his job. The best way to look at things is simple. The previous front office was all WINNERS, and the current front office has been mostly losers.

 

 

 

So … you’re saying the previous front office is NOT responsible for signing Sale?

[Maxbialystock]

The Red Sox could have picked the wrong nerd away from Tampa. Tampa certainly hasn’t missed Bloom.

 

You carping critics keep assuming that Chaim Bloom has complete authority over how to spend money. To me it's a better assumption that John Henry wants a change in direction, and that begins with no more big contracts for starters. You and others forget that all four of the WS teams relied on buying good starters--Schilling, Pedro, Beckett, Lackey, Price, Sale, et al--from other teams. John Henry almost certainly was the one who also said not to meet Mookie's demands, nor Bogey's.

[Old Red]

So … you’re saying the previous front office is NOT responsible for signing Sale?

 

We have already gone through that 1000 times over, and I have blasted DD 1000 times over, and did at the time it happened.

[Old Red]

You carping critics keep assuming that Chaim Bloom has complete authority over how to spend money. To me it's a better assumption that John Henry wants a change in direction, and that begins with no more big contracts for starters. You and others forget that all four of the WS teams relied on buying good starters--Schilling, Pedro, Beckett, Lackey, Price, Sale, et al--from other teams. John Henry almost certainly was the one who also said not to meet Mookie's demands, nor Bogey's.

 

I haven’t forgotten anything, and if that change in direction means a losing last place in the Div team then JH has to go too.

[Randy Red Sox]

This is exactly bang on. John Henry wants to win without paying long term salaries. He figured that Bloom came from Tampa who has been able to pull this off but he missed the fact that all Bloom actually did was shine Friedman's shoes. Henry has forbid Bloom from big spending and wants him to build from the farm. But this Bloom's 4th year here now and it has been a .500 era with nothing showing me things will be better in 2024. We can moan all we want about Sale, Paxton, Kluber but when they are gone who is going to fill in? A rotation of Whitlock, Bello, Crawford, Pivetta and whatever other broken down SP Bloom brings in leads to another subpar season in my view. No pitching prospects are close to MLB ready.

You carping critics keep assuming that Chaim Bloom has complete authority over how to spend money. To me it's a better assumption that John Henry wants a change in direction, and that begins with no more big contracts for starters. You and others forget that all four of the WS teams relied on buying good starters--Schilling, Pedro, Beckett, Lackey, Price, Sale, et al--from other teams. John Henry almost certainly was the one who also said not to meet Mookie's demands, nor Bogey's.

[Bellhorn04]

This is exactly bang on. John Henry wants to win without paying long term salaries. He figured that Bloom came from Tampa who has been able to pull this off but he missed the fact that all Bloom actually did was shine Friedman's shoes. Henry has forbid Bloom from big spending and wants him to build from the farm. But this Bloom's 4th year here now and it has been a .500 era with nothing showing me things will be better in 2024. We can moan all we want about Sale, Paxton, Kluber but when they are gone who is going to fill in? A rotation of Whitlock, Bello, Crawford, Pivetta and whatever other broken down SP Bloom brings in leads to another subpar season in my view. No pitching prospects are close to MLB ready.

 

To be fair, Bloom has been allowed to put 3 long term, big-money deals on the books-Devers, Story and Yoshida.

 

No starting pitchers on that list though, of course. Hopefully that comes next.

[notin]

To be fair, Bloom has been allowed to put 3 long term, big-money deals on the books-Devers, Story and Yoshida.

 

No starting pitchers on that list though, of course. Hopefully that comes next.

 

 

Why?

 

How many long term starting pitcher contracts have worked out?

[notin]

We have already gone through that 1000 times over, and I have blasted DD 1000 times over, and did at the time it happened.

 

Then why the sudden need to lunge into the Pro-DD rant? Which by the way you’ve also gone over before but on the very short list of things you don’t excuse yourself from repeating.

 

Someone simply mentioned Sale was a mistake by the Sox FO. And he was, just not the current one. All facts. Yes or no?