A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[notin]

He has a 2.3 fWAR in 286 MLB innings. That's below average.

 

What exactly in his numbers or his makeup do you like?

 

Ok once again, this is a prediction. Not a preference…

[notin]

You obviously missed the part where I said it's a simplification.

 

No. I’m calling it a wildly inaccurate one. The overwhelming bulk of hits in the postseason have little to no impact on the outcome of the game, and not every game is a close game. If we pressed it down to individual hits, would the definition of “clutch” get expanded to include some hits just because it’s the postseason?

[Bellhorn04]

Ok once again, this is a prediction. Not a preference…

 

You said he's "capable", though. "Capable" covers a lot of ground, of course.

[notin]

You said he's "capable", though. "Capable" covers a lot of ground, of course.

 

We will use it in the comparative sense with the other option as Chris Murphy. Or Brandon Walter…

[Bellhorn04]

No. I’m calling it a wildly inaccurate one. The overwhelming bulk of hits in the postseason have little to no impact on the outcome of the game, and not every game is a close game.

 

And the identical principle applies in the regular season. You're not saying anything that everyone doesn't already know.

[notin]

And the identical principle applies in the regular season. You're not saying anything that everyone doesn't already know.

 

Then why operate on the massively flawed premise that “postseason = clutch and regular season = non-clutch”?

 

No one has really ever given a good definition of clutch, but this is absolutely one of the weaker ones. You’re not the first to make it, but that didn’t mean it got more true…

[Bellhorn04]

Then why operate on the massively flawed premise that “postseason = clutch and regular season = non-clutch”?

 

No one has really ever given a good definition of clutch, but this is absolutely one of the weaker ones. You’re not the first to make it, but that didn’t mean it got more true…

 

Well, I'm definitely right about postseason scoring being lower, but you probably won't concede that either.

[notin]

Well, I'm definitely right about postseason scoring being lower, but you probably won't concede that either.

 

And I’m definitely right that that doesn’t mean post season always equals clutch…

[Bellhorn04]

And I’m definitely right that that doesn’t mean post season always equals clutch…

 

Yeah, but that's just stating the obvious.

 

You didn't know about the lower scoring in the postseason thing, so you learned something.

[notin]

Yeah, but that's just stating the obvious.

 

You didn't know about the lower scoring in the postseason thing, so you learned something.

 

This is true. I did learn that.

 

But the rest of your postulate is mush. Pardon my eloquence…

[Bellhorn04]

This is true. I did learn that.

 

But the rest of your postulate is mush. Pardon my eloquence…

 

You're mush.

 

My premise is simple and logical. The average postseason AB has more importance than the average regular season AB. The game situation stuff evens out.

[Bellhorn04]

The real issue with postseason numbers is sample size.

[Maxbialystock]

I have no idea. regardless of what he said, I just wonder what is going on in his brain when he puts him out there and has to face the music for his decision continually. Most of us who have been involved in athletics know what the definition of stupid is. The team is a lot more important than the individual in this case and he doesn't help the team by playing Kike at ss any time. Doesn't do much for Kike either I would imagine.

 

Careful with the "stupid" branding, especially when applying it to Cora. Seriously. He's in his 5th season with the Sox, which includes managing the best season, 2018, the Sox ever had as well as 2021 when his managing wrought a minor miracle in getting the Sox to the ALCS.

 

The Sox have a winning record this season with Kike in the lineup. This does not at all mean he was/is the key to winning, but it does undercut what seems to be your belief that his presence in the lineup guarantees the Sox will lose.

[cp176]

Careful with the "stupid" branding, especially when applying it to Cora. Seriously. He's in his 5th season with the Sox, which includes managing the best season, 2018, the Sox ever had as well as 2021 when his managing wrought a minor miracle in getting the Sox to the ALCS.

 

The Sox have a winning record this season with Kike in the lineup. This does not at all mean he was/is the key to winning, but it does undercut what seems to be your belief that his presence in the lineup guarantees the Sox will lose.

 

never once did I imply that Cora is stupid. I was an athlete and a coach and if we repetetively did the same things over and over again with the same results which were obviously the wrong things to do then it was considered stupid. You are guessing as to what I think also. You are entitled to your own thoughts and beliefs which I am as well. Thank you but believe it or not I have been around awhile also and I am a little taken aback by the fact that someone who claims to know as much as you claim to know has really no clue as to what I am talking about. In my estimation, what he did was a stupid thing to do.

[Hugh2]

Careful with the "stupid" branding, especially when applying it to Cora. Seriously. He's in his 5th season with the Sox, which includes managing the best season, 2018, the Sox ever had as well as 2021 when his managing wrought a minor miracle in getting the Sox to the ALCS.

 

The Sox have a winning record this season with Kike in the lineup. This does not at all mean he was/is the key to winning, but it does undercut what seems to be your belief that his presence in the lineup guarantees the Sox will lose.

 

Kike is fine in the lineup, it’s starting him at SS that is bad.

 

I’d be willing to bet if Kike was used as a utility guy his slash line would be much better.

 

Wouldn’t mind seeing the Sox trade for a SS, maybe Rosario and put story at 2nd when he’s back letting kike be the utility guy.

[Bellhorn04]

You're mush.

 

My premise is simple and logical. The average postseason AB has more importance than the average regular season AB. The game situation stuff evens out.

 

It's a statistical fact that Ortiz's postseason numbers were, on average, about 15% better than his regular season numbers, factoring in the overall decrease in offense that occurs in the postseason. The significance of that can be debated, but the factuality of it can't.

[Maxbialystock]

It's a statistical fact that Ortiz's postseason numbers were, on average, about 15% better than his regular season numbers, factoring in the overall decrease in offense that occurs in the postseason. The significance of that can be debated, but the factuality of it can't.

 

Finally, finally, a name. I have no problem accepting the notion that Ortiz was clutch in the postseason. As someone said, pitching is normally better/tougher in the postseason because of the off days. So the fact that Ortiz was actually better in the postseason is astounding.

[notin]

You're mush.

 

My premise is simple and logical. The average postseason AB has more importance than the average regular season AB. The game situation stuff evens out.

 

 

We at least agree it’s simple…

[cp176]

Kike is fine in the lineup, it’s starting him at SS that is bad.

 

I’d be willing to bet if Kike was used as a utility guy his slash line would be much better.

 

Wouldn’t mind seeing the Sox trade for a SS, maybe Rosario and put story at 2nd when he’s back letting kike be the utility guy.

 

Kike i think would be an above average utility player. Able to play numerous positions adequately. type of player every team needs and wants. Playing him at ss is setting him up to fail. I like him too much to ever see him placed in that position again. it is Cora's job to figure this all out unless he is getting more direction from someone else.

[Dojji]

Kike at SS is like Holt at SS. It's a position that he CAN play, but it's not his position.

[moonslav59]

Kike i think would be an above average utility player. Able to play numerous positions adequately. type of player every team needs and wants. Playing him at ss is setting him up to fail. I like him too much to ever see him placed in that position again. it is Cora's job to figure this all out unless he is getting more direction from someone else.

 

100%

[notin]

Kike i think would be an above average utility player. Able to play numerous positions adequately. type of player every team needs and wants. Playing him at ss is setting him up to fail. I like him too much to ever see him placed in that position again. it is Cora's job to figure this all out unless he is getting more direction from someone else.

 

 

I think Kike is a good player who simply isn’t a shortstop. I also doubt he gets traded.

 

Duvall might move. They signed Duvall to play CF, but Duran has shown himself more than capable. Refsnyder (and Kike) can handle right-handed platoon roles. So unless there’s an injury or unforeseen trade (Verdugo?), I could see Duvall moved at the deadline. Likely got an A ball player…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

.... Edited July 17, 2023 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I think Kike is a good player who simply isn’t a shortstop. I also doubt he gets traded.

 

Duvall might move. They signed Duvall to play CF, but Duran has shown himself more than capable. Refsnyder (and Kike) can handle right-handed platoon roles. So unless there’s an injury or unforeseen trade (Verdugo?), I could see Duvall moved at the deadline. Likely got an A ball player…

 

Personally, I'd rather the SOX trade Kike instead of Duvall. Kike provides much less to the SOX PO hunt. At least Duvall does provide a power hitting RH bat to a predominantly LH line-up. Seriously, what does Kike provide? Most here, myself included, don't even like to see his name in the line-up.

Edited July 17, 2023 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER

[notin]

Personally, I'd rather the SOX trade Kike instead of Duvall. Kike provides much less to the SOX PO hunt. At least Duvall does provide a power hitting RH bat to a predominantly LH line-up. Seriously, what does Kike provide? Most here, myself included, don't even like to see his name in the line-up.

 

I think Kike gives them better OF defense. In the event they start needing to resort to non-starting players, the good gloves are more likely to meet your expectations.

 

Duvall is certainly no slouch defensively himself and could be the player kept. (Most likely both are.) I’m fine with that as long as Kike doesn’t play SS…

[moonslav59]

I wouldn’t mind seeing Kike at 2B and especially CF, but not over Duran. Arroyo is good, but not much better than Kike, overall.

 

I’d trade Kike over Duvall, too.

[Bellhorn04]

We at least agree it’s simple…

 

It's all just for fun. It's like Wins Above Felipe Lopez...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Red Sox are the best team in the majors this summah! 9-2 in July... keyed by Bello, and a cast of openers, with Pivetta in the bulk role.

 

Devers is heating up to boost the offense, with a cocoa crisp .395 batting average and 1.249 OPS.

Raffy's supporting cast has also chipped in, led by Redbeard the Vet and his band of rookies: Duran .500/1.467, Yoshida .436/1.142, Turner .429/1.146, Casas .276/1.034.

 

Ok, Chaim, end of plug -- now go get a good starting pitcher asap.

[moonslav59]

10-2 in the last 12 games really keeps some posters away.

 

The schedule can help a little on the lack of SPers , as we play 3, day off, play 3, day off, play 2, day off, then the west coast road trip that brings us to the deadline.

[moonslav59]

We have all 9 batters over.811 in the last 14 days and 5 over 1.050!