A Realistic View of 2023: Part II

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Like Jansen, Martin and Bernardino?

 

Jansen and Martin were actual quality pitchers on the free agent market. Maybe the "scrap heap" referred to by Randy comes from yesterday's column from a professional beat reporter for the Red Sox, headlined:

 

"Bloom's constant search for bargains means Red Sox sign a lot of junk"

 

The last time I read that about a guy in charge of Boston was... let's see... 19NEVER

[Randy Red Sox]

Not sold on Berndino yet but no guys like Kluber and Kike for 10 million each.not to mention the too many to mention other scrubs that have mostly been tossed out by now. I think if Bloom had his way the Sox would have 26 players on 1 yr contracts

Like Jansen, Martin and Bernardino?

[Duran Is The Man]

Like Jansen, Martin and Bernardino?

 

Martin and Bernardino have been money and great signings. but for every Martin or Bernardino, it seems like he signs a dozen Jake Farias and Taylor Scotts.

[notin]

Martin and Bernardino have been money and great signings. but for every Martin or Bernardino, it seems like he signs a dozen Jake Farias and Taylor Scotts.

 

Every team uses guys like Tayler Scott and Jake Faria. The Mets, who set payroll records this year, have still used guys like Jimmy Yacobonis, Reed Garrett, and Jeff Brigham…

[notin]

Every team uses guys like Tayler Scott and Jake Faria. The Mets, who set payroll records this year, have still used guys like Jimmy Yacobonis, Reed Garrett, and Jeff Brigham…

 

To continue.

 

But these shouldn’t be your only adds.

 

It’s great when you find a John Schreiber or Brennan Bernardino. But, man, go out once in a while and get yourself an Aroldis Chapman…

[Dipre]

Believe it or don't, but the Mets are actually saying they're not going to be all in on 2024. Cohen seems to have seen the light in a hurry. Trading Scherzer and Verlander when they were both under contract for next year makes it appear they're not kidding about this.

 

So you're saying he realized spending money like a drunken sailor does not guarantee the success of an MLB team? I can't believe it!

[notin]

Jansen and Martin were actual quality pitchers on the free agent market. Maybe the "scrap heap" referred to by Randy comes from yesterday's column from a professional beat reporter for the Red Sox, headlined:

 

"Bloom's constant search for bargains means Red Sox sign a lot of junk"

 

The last time I read that about a guy in charge of Boston was... let's see... 19NEVER

 

Bloom’s waiver wire scouting isn’t the issue. Every GM does it. Even high-spending Dombrowski brought in such pitching luminaries as Blaine Boyer, Justin Haley and Hector Velasquez.

 

The issue with Bloom is the failure to make bigger trades. He doesn’t need to empty the farm, but once in a while, deal your #10 or 11 prospect for an actual major leaguer…

[Duran Is The Man]

To continue.

 

But these shouldn’t be your only adds.

 

It’s great when you find a John Schreiber or Brennan Bernardino. But, man, go out once in a while and get yourself an Aroldis Chapman…

 

exactly. my point was that Bloom just seems to focus exclusively on the bottom of the barrel.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

The issue with Bloom is the failure to make bigger trades. He doesn’t need to empty the farm, but once in a while, deal your #10 or 11 prospect for an actual major leaguer…

 

I have nothing against Paulino Walnuts... but Bloom is paralyzed.

 

You doubted that his -- let's just call it "inability" (for whatever reasons) -- to help the big league club this week would have a negative impact in the next month on such a group of professional athletes.

 

But I'm not saying it will all be mental, because already we have a bullpen that looks a bit tired (at least the fans are already tired of watching the castoffs that Cora is forced to put out there, doing his best to preserve the actual good pitchers at the back-end from total burnout before September).

[notin]

I have nothing against Paulino Walnuts... but Bloom is paralyzed.

 

You doubted that his -- let's just call it "inability" (for whatever reasons) -- to help the big league club this week would have a negative impact in the next month on such a group of professional athletes.

 

But I'm not saying it will all be mental, because already we have a bullpen that looks a bit tired (at least the fans are already tired of watching the castoffs that Cora is forced to put out there, doing his best to preserve the actual good pitchers at the back-end from total burnout before September).

 

Well, you did focus on the mental aspect. And it might be a factor for some. But I refuse to speak for them.

 

Now as for bullpen wear, always an issue. Granted, any MLB arm they acquire might already come with its own set of attached IP. I expect Worcester to be a bigger factor than most of us prefer it be.

[mvp 78]

I have nothing against Paulino Walnuts... but Bloom is paralyzed.

 

You doubted that his -- let's just call it "inability" (for whatever reasons) -- to help the big league club this week would have a negative impact in the next month on such a group of professional athletes.

 

But I'm not saying it will all be mental, because already we have a bullpen that looks a bit tired (at least the fans are already tired of watching the castoffs that Cora is forced to put out there, doing his best to preserve the actual good pitchers at the back-end from total burnout before September).

 

I thought the ratings and attendance were down at the beginning of the year? Are you saying it's getting worse?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well, you did focus on the mental aspect. And it might be a factor for some. But I refuse to speak for them.

 

Now as for bullpen wear, always an issue. Granted, any MLB arm they acquire might already come with its own set of attached IP. I expect Worcester to be a bigger factor than most of us prefer it be.

 

I was just echoing what I've heard about impressions at the deadline from virtually all the ex-Sox-turned-media -- Middlebrooks, Merloni, Rice, Wake, Youck -- plus others from MLB channel. Reporters say it, too, based on what they've been told by other players, on and off the record.

 

It's unreasonable to assume all those guys are full of crap, and just trying to contrive rumors -- especially when many work for an actual club like Bloom's Red Sox that never makes a significant trade. And before anyone here jumps to reply, I mean for a key piece at the time, beyond getting a Pivetta, who turned into a decent pitcher, or a power bat acquired while on the IL (who they let walk in two months, after his leg was healed, and then led the NL in HRs).

[iortiz]

To me this team is terrible bad coached and trained. Their fundamentals of the game specially at defense are pathetic.

 

It’s also terrible assembled. This team ain’t going anywhere. They should have sold included Denvers and rebuild. Thing is they rather to be mediocre. They don’t rebuild nor going anywhere this season.

 

Bloom, Cora, and even Henry have to go. There’s no plan for neither way.

[mvp 78]

Bloom’s waiver wire scouting isn’t the issue. Every GM does it. Even high-spending Dombrowski brought in such pitching luminaries as Blaine Boyer, Justin Haley and Hector Velasquez.

 

The issue with Bloom is the failure to make bigger trades. He doesn’t need to empty the farm, but once in a while, deal your #10 or 11 prospect for an actual major leaguer…

 

Yeah, I think you can deal from your depth without really DEPLETING your depth. Maybe these are moves he can start to make in the future??? I don't know. To me, it still seems like they are a step away from contention, but that's in part from how he built this team going into the year (starting pitching). I'm not sure they will be all that much better next season.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I thought the ratings and attendance were down at the beginning of the year? Are you saying it's getting worse?

 

No, just going by other forums, as well as this one, I read or post on. I doubt attendance will tank if the team does, because someone will usually take discounted tix to a day at Fenway... but we all know TV viewers will have plenty of options to click the remote in a month if things go south.

[mvp 78]

To me this team is terrible bad coached and trained. Their fundamentals of the game specially at defense are pathetic.

 

It’s also terrible assembled. This team ain’t going anywhere. They should have sold included Denvers and rebuild. Thing is they rather to be mediocre. They don’t rebuild nor going anywhere this season.

 

Bloom, Cora, and even Henry have to go. There’s no plan for neither way.

 

If they were going to have sold Devers, it would to have been LAST year. They weren't even able to trade Xander last year.

[mvp 78]

No, just going by other forums, as well as this one, I read or post on. I doubt attendance will tank if the team does, because someone will usually take discounted tix to a day at Fenway... but we all know TV viewers will have plenty of options to click the remote in a month if things go south.

 

Well, forums tend to run EXTRA hot and cold, much more than a normal Red Sox fan who doesn't necessarily turn on every game.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, I think you can deal from your depth without really DEPLETING your depth. Maybe these are moves he can start to make in the future??? I don't know. To me, it still seems like they are a step away from contention, but that's in part from how he built this team going into the year (starting pitching). I'm not sure they will be all that much better next season.

 

They won't be better if they don't seriously do something about the rotation, that's for sure.

Edited August 3, 2023 by Bellhorn04

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yeah, I think you can deal from your depth without really DEPLETING your depth. Maybe these are moves he can start to make in the future??? I don't know. To me, it still seems like they are a step away from contention, but that's in part from how he built this team going into the year (starting pitching). I'm not sure they will be all that much better next season.

 

Like I've been saying forever, teams can't wait until they're good before adding good players. It all starts with pitching -- even a rebuild -- and reliable pitchers in their prime, signed and under control, give clubs a base upon which to build.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Well, forums tend to run EXTRA hot and cold, much more than a normal Red Sox fan who doesn't necessarily turn on every game.

 

I live in New England, so I'm also close to both diehard and casual fans who have been very vocal this season. And the one thing even the casual fans can't stand, beyond relievers blowing games, is piss-poor defense.

 

That can make a lot of viewers change the channel quickly. The general reason: If the Red Sox aren't going to be serious about who they let wear their uniforms, why should I devote any more time watching them?

[redsoxrules]

Bloom needs to take a page out of the Braves system. That team will be competing for a while. Lots of long term contract and most of them really good value.

 

Fun fact, Matt Olson has the most HR of ANY MLB player over the last 6 years.

[notin]

To me this team is terrible bad coached and trained. Their fundamentals of the game specially at defense are pathetic.

 

It’s also terrible assembled. This team ain’t going anywhere. They should have sold included Denvers and rebuild. Thing is they rather to be mediocre. They don’t rebuild nor going anywhere this season.

 

Bloom, Cora, and even Henry have to go. There’s no plan for neither way.

 

This is at least an 80-85 win team.

 

Why do people think tearing it all down and rebuilding is so easy? That’s a multiyear process that rarely works…

[Old Red]

I live in New England, so I'm also close to both diehard and casual fans who have been very vocal this season. And the one thing even the casual fans can't stand, beyond relievers blowing games, is piss-poor defense.

 

That can make a lot of viewers change the channel quickly. The general reason: If the Red Sox aren't going to be serious about who they let wear their uniforms, why should I devote any more time watching them?

 

That is true about living in New England I think you get a lot better vibe, and pulse on the Red Sox than you would in living in Fla, or TX.

[mvp 78]

Like I've been saying forever, teams can't wait until they're good before adding good players. It all starts with pitching -- even a rebuild -- and reliable pitchers in their prime, signed and under control, give clubs a base upon which to build.

 

They aren't getting good pitching by trading Walter, Chase Meidroth and Paulino, especially controllable pitching. There aren't a lot of those guys available and the ones that are available are expensive.

[Bellhorn04]

This is at least an 80-85 win team.

 

Why do people think tearing it all down and rebuilding is so easy? That’s a multiyear process that rarely works…

 

There's absolutely no need to tear it all down. There are some good pieces in place.

 

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater...

[Dipre]

Well people want this team to compete right now. The more I look at this roster, the less I think it's plausible. They have a possibly great offense as some of their younger guys can keep improving, and Story may get back to near-career offensive levels, and their BP is serviceable, but they have neither effective nor dependable starting pitching. That's why they shouldn't have sold any important players or prospects to lightly boost what we all know is a flawed roster. It's also not about money, as they have always shown a willingness to spend, making that argument nonsense. They need to revamp and rebuild the SP, and focus on next year with a more cohesive roster. Letting the current one ride out the year is fine though.

[mvp 78]

Well people want this team to compete right now. The more I look at this roster, the less I think it's plausible. They have a possibly great offense as some of their younger guys can keep improving, and Story may get back to near-career offensive levels, and their BP is serviceable, but they have neither effective nor dependable starting pitching. That's why they shouldn't have sold any important players or prospects to lightly boost what we all know is a flawed roster. It's also not about money, as they have always shown a willingness to spend, making that argument nonsense. They need to revamp and rebuild the SP, and focus on next year with a more cohesive roster. Letting the current one ride out the year is fine though.

 

My concern is this FO iteration hasn't shown the ability to construct a successful starting rotation yet. Fingers crossed for next year! 2021 worked because of the guys that were on the roster that came before (ERod/Eovaldi). The offseason acquisitions (Richards/Perez) both flamed out and were sent to the pen.

[Dipre]

My concern is this FO iteration hasn't shown the ability to construct a successful starting rotation yet. Fingers crossed for next year! 2021 worked because of the guys that were on the roster that came before (ERod/Eovaldi). The offseason acquisitions (Richards/Perez) both flamed out and were sent to the pen.

 

So like a Bizarro DD? Good bullpen, awful rotation?

[notin]

There's absolutely no need to tear it all down. There are some good pieces in place.

 

Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater...

 

1. Who throws out bathwater? You drain it away, quite often down a drain with a well tested and approved “Baby Guard” filter on it.

 

2. What if it’s a Baby Dahmer?

[notin]

My concern is this FO iteration hasn't shown the ability to construct a successful starting rotation yet. Fingers crossed for next year! 2021 worked because of the guys that were on the roster that came before (ERod/Eovaldi). The offseason acquisitions (Richards/Perez) both flamed out and were sent to the pen.

 

To be fair, the only reason Richards flamed out and went to the pen is because he wasn’t allowed to cheat anymore…