Red Sox Spring Training 2023

[Bellhorn04]

I’ve said that about Dugo for years.

 

How many years?

[moonslav59]

Career OPS:

 

Tapia

.709

.684 v LHP

 

Refsnyder

.676

.728 v LHP

 

It seems we have 3-4 OFers who do well v LHPs and better vs LHPs than RHPs, so Ref looks like the better choice.

 

I do recall a couple posters roasting Bloom for neglecting the need for a RH’d hitting OFer, last year.

[moonslav59]

How many years?

 

I believe since 2020, but certainly 2021 and 2022.

 

I remember there being a debate after Cora stated he would not platoon Dugo.

 

I’m not sure a full platoon is needed, and we had nobody, early last season, but vs tough lefties, I think he should sit.

[Old Red]

Career OPS:

 

Tapia

.709

.684 v LHP

 

Refsnyder

.676

.728 v LHP

 

It seems we have 3-4 OFers who do well v LHPs and better vs LHPs than RHPs, so Ref looks like the better choice.

 

I do recall a couple posters roasting Bloom for neglecting the need for a RH’d hitting OFer, last year.

Last year there was more on an emphasis on D in the OF too, but now that seems to be out the window also. You are one of the ones mentioned in an earlier post that values the Ref Man more than others, which I don’t, but that’s just my opinion. I would go with Tapia.

[moonslav59]

Last year there was more on an emphasis on D in the OF too, but now that seems to be out the window also. You are one of the ones mentioned in an earlier post that values the Ref Man more than others, which I don’t, but that’s just my opinion. I would go with Tapia.

 

So, we no longer need the RHd OFer you argued for, last year?

 

To me, if Tapia and Ref’s splits were reversed, I’d be for Tapia, hands down.

[Old Red]

So, we no longer need the RHd OFer you argued for, last year?

 

To me, if Tapia and Ref’s splits were reversed, I’d be for Tapia, hands down.

 

If it was someone better than Ref Man yes, but I’m just not high on Ref Man, and would take Tapia over him.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Career OPS:

 

Tapia

.709

.684 v LHP

 

Refsnyder

.676

.728 v LHP

 

It seems we have 3-4 OFers who do well v LHPs and better vs LHPs than RHPs, so Ref looks like the better choice.

 

I do recall a couple posters roasting Bloom for neglecting the need for a RH’d hitting OFer, last year.

 

I do recall Bloom preheating the oven before the season began by stating the need for a RH'd hitting OFer, last year. Then he never got one...

 

(and we were all talking about at least a platoon power-hitter to replace Renfroe's HRs)

[mvp 78]

Career OPS:

 

Tapia

.709

.684 v LHP

 

Refsnyder

.676

.728 v LHP

 

It seems we have 3-4 OFers who do well v LHPs and better vs LHPs than RHPs, so Ref looks like the better choice.

 

I do recall a couple posters roasting Bloom for neglecting the need for a RH’d hitting OFer, last year.

 

Is it THAT much of a better choice when Refsnyder's defense is 3x as bad as Tapia's?

[mvp 78]

Last year there was more on an emphasis on D in the OF too, but now that seems to be out the window also. You are one of the ones mentioned in an earlier post that values the Ref Man more than others, which I don’t, but that’s just my opinion. I would go with Tapia.

 

Yoshida LF

Duvall CF

Verdugo RF

 

Seems like the emphasis on defense in the OF will be "get the ball back in to the IF."

[Old Red]

Is it THAT much of a better choice when Refsnyder's defense is 3x as bad as Tapia's?

 

No!

[mvp 78]

I do recall Bloom preheating the oven before the season began by stating the need for a RH'd hitting OFer, last year. Then he never got one...

 

(and we were all talking about at least a platoon power-hitter to replace Renfroe's HRs)

 

What do you mean? He got Refsnyder!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What do you mean? He got Refsnyder!

 

Decades from now, fondly remembered by nostalgic posters as a key guy off the bench for the greatest last place team in the history of 2022.

[Hugh2]

Definitely not for the entire year, but at least for the first 1-2 months, I think theres a few permutations of this roster that have both Refsnyder and Tapia on it. Actually, I think there's a pretty decent chance.

[moonslav59]

Is it THAT much of a better choice when Refsnyder's defense is 3x as bad as Tapia's?

 

It would if it was.

 

It’s not.

 

So, it’s not.

[dgalehouse]

Moving guys to various positions seems to be a trend in baseball. Maybe they think the versatility will save some money. I don't know, but it probably originates with the nerds that teams are staffing the front offices with these days. Anyway, it's not a big deal , at least until a Dalbec boots one at short .

[mvp 78]

It would if it was.

 

It’s not.

 

So, it’s not.

 

Literally 3x worse.

 

Tapia: -4 DRS in 935 innings

Refsnyder: -5 DRS in 303 innings (would be ghastly if pushed to 900 innings)

[mvp 78]

Moving guys to various positions seems to be a trend in baseball. Maybe they think the versatility will save some money. I don't know, but it probably originates with the nerds that teams are staffing the front offices with these days. Anyway, it's not a big deal , at least until a Dalbec boots one at short .

 

I just think it's something that should probably go away now that it will be harder to truly shift on batters.

[Old Red]

Whitlock threw 16 pitchers today with 3 K’s, and 1 BB.

[mvp 78]

Anyway, Kluber threw 5 innings today. Whitlock threw 2. Martin and Joely each threw 1.

 

Rays lineup wasn't great, but can't complain.

[notin]

Moving guys to various positions seems to be a trend in baseball. Maybe they think the versatility will save some money. I don't know, but it probably originates with the nerds that teams are staffing the front offices with these days. Anyway, it's not a big deal , at least until a Dalbec boots one at short .

 

Trend these days?

 

Yeah it’s this brand new thing that just sprang up around 1900 or so. Probably won’t catch on…

[Old Red]

Trend these days?

 

Yeah it’s this brand new thing that just sprang up around 1900 or so. Probably won’t catch on…

 

All this concern about Bobby D playing SS in a meaningless ST game to me is all about nothing. Like I said before there are a lot more things to be concerned about for the 2023 Red Sox than this.

[Nick]

All this concern about Bobby D playing SS in a meaningless ST game to me is all about nothing. Like I said before there are a lot more things to be concerned about for the 2023 Red Sox than this.

 

Yep

[Nick]

Anyway, Kluber threw 5 innings today. Whitlock threw 2. Martin and Joely each threw 1.

 

Rays lineup wasn't great, but can't complain.

 

Now we have

 

1 Kluber

2 Sale

3 Pivetta

4 Houck

5 Whitlock

6 Kutter

 

Just waiting on Bello and Paxton

[Bellhorn04]

Now we have

 

1 Kluber

2 Sale

3 Pivetta

4 Houck

5 Whitlock

6 Kutter

 

Just waiting on Bello and Paxton

 

Stay healthy my friends!

[cp176]

All this concern about Bobby D playing SS in a meaningless ST game to me is all about nothing. Like I said before there are a lot more things to be concerned about for the 2023 Red Sox than this.

 

I don't think that anybody is all that concerned about where Dalbec is playing. Just something to talk about.

[moonslav59]

I don't think that anybody is all that concerned about where Dalbec is playing. Just something to talk about.

 

The only real concern is MLB v AAA.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The only real concern is MLB v AAA.

 

The true concern is getting back from the WBC in one piece.

[Bellhorn04]

Trend these days?

 

Yeah it’s this brand new thing that just sprang up around 1900 or so. Probably won’t catch on…

 

Who was the first Ben Zobrist type, notin? If anyone would know, it's you.

[mvp 78]

The only real concern is MLB v AAA.

 

If he's on the MLB roster, it's as a bench bat or due to an injury.

 

I just think if they really want to maximize Dalbec's "utility" that there are other ways to do it. And yes, we are talking about it because half of the players are at the WBC and it's ST. Not much else to talk about right now. There's still a chance Dalbec isn't on the 40 man roster at the end of March.

[mvp 78]

Who was the first Ben Zobrist type, notin? If anyone would know, it's you.

 

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