A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

I’d put him in the top 10, non-pitcher category…

 

#19 all-time in bWAR including pitchers...

[moonslav59]

I’d put him in the top 10, non-pitcher category…

 

You must be talking about MVP.

[moonslav59]

#19 all-time in bWAR including pitchers...

 

17th in fWAR. Even if you throw out Bonds, which of the ten do you supplant?

 

168 Ruth

150 Mays

149 Cobb

136 Aaron

131 Speaker

130 Williams

130 Hornsby

127 Wagner

127 Musial

121 Collins

 

11-15

116 Gehrig

114 ARod

112 Mantle

110 Ott

107 Schmidt

106 Rickey

 

104 F Robinson

99 Foxx

96 Mathews

95 Yaz

 

[Bellhorn04]

17th in fWAR. Even if you throw out Bonds, which of the ten do you supplant?

 

168 Ruth

150 Mays

149 Cobb

136 Aaron

131 Speaker

130 Williams

130 Hornsby

127 Wagner

127 Musial

121 Collins

 

11-15

116 Gehrig

114 ARod

112 Mantle

110 Ott

107 Schmidt

106 Rickey

 

104 F Robinson

99 Foxx

96 Mathews

95 Yaz

 

 

I'd leave them just as they are.

[mvp 78]

I'd leave them just as they are.

 

I'm launching Cobb, Speaker, Hornsby and Wagner into the sun.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm launching Cobb, Speaker, Hornsby and Wagner into the sun.

 

Whyzat?

[moonslav59]

I'd leave them just as they are.

 

The only guy I'd move up is Williams, because of his service time taking away 20-30+ WAR.

 

One could take ARod out, like I did Bonds.

 

I kinda like Frank Robinson more than The Rickey, but I'm fine where he is.

[jad]

Any list of the greatest baseball players that does not include Bonds or Arod is not a list of the greatest baseball players.

[moonslav59]

Any list of the greatest baseball players that does not include Bonds or Arod is not a list of the greatest baseball players.

 

The both head the greatest cheaters list, if that helps.

[moonslav59]

Red Sox claim Jake Reed, RHP and designate Eduard Bazardo.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/10/red-sox-claim-jake-reed-designate-eduard-bazardo.html

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox claim Jake Reed, RHP and designate Eduard Bazardo.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/10/red-sox-claim-jake-reed-designate-eduard-bazardo.html

 

Another mundane move that looks like a move to make a move. It does nothing to improve the team. Another journeyman pitcher with a plus 5 ERA.

[Tedballgame]

Any list of the greatest baseball players that does not include Bonds or Arod is not a list of the greatest baseball players.

 

They are at the top of the All Time Jerks list.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Another mundane move that looks like a move to make a move. It does nothing to improve the team. Another journeyman pitcher with a plus 5 ERA.

 

Even a Blind Chicken Finds a Kernel of Corn Now and Then

[notin]

Another mundane move that looks like a move to make a move. It does nothing to improve the team. Another journeyman pitcher with a plus 5 ERA.

 

Did you say that when they claimed Schreiber? (I’ll admit, I thought it.)

 

Not to mention, they can’t make any real moves until after the World Series…

Edited October 14, 2022 by notin

[Bellhorn04]

Jake Reed is a cool name, at least.

[jad]

The both head the greatest cheaters list, if that helps.

 

Oh I see. So your list is not the greatest baseball players. It's the greatest players who follow your arbitrary ethical principles (whereby assault and even murder, rape, [pleasuring oneself in public], and things like that are fine, but being suspected--never proved--of taking certain drugs is not).

[mvp 78]

Whyzat?

 

The pre-modern baseball player numbers are super wacky and I don't think they are comparable to today's player. I think putting a demarcation line at 1940 for baseball makes sense. I just don't buy that Honus Wagner would be an MLB All Star in 2022.

[mvp 78]

They are at the top of the All Time Jerks list.

 

More so than Cobb?

[mvp 78]

Oh I see. So your list is not the greatest baseball players. It's the greatest players who follow your arbitrary ethical principles (whereby assault and even murder, rape, [pleasuring oneself in public], and things like that are fine, but being suspected--never proved--of taking certain drugs is not).

 

Let's not start talking about Pittsburgh Steelers QB's now...

[Bellhorn04]

Oh I see. So your list is not the greatest baseball players. It's the greatest players who follow your arbitrary ethical principles (whereby assault and even murder, rape, [pleasuring oneself in public], and things like that are fine, but being suspected--never proved--of taking certain drugs is not).

 

How the heck did murder and rape being fine get in the conversation?

[moonslav59]

Oh I see. So your list is not the greatest baseball players. It's the greatest players who follow your arbitrary ethical principles (whereby assault and even murder, rape, [pleasuring oneself in public], and things like that are fine, but being suspected--never proved--of taking certain drugs is not).

 

Yes, my list is arbitrary. That's why it's my list.

 

As for evidence. I've seen enough to convict.

[notin]

How the heck did murder and rape being fine get in the conversation?

 

H H Holmes was on moon’s original list.

 

To be fair, he was a better player than you think he was..

[moonslav59]

H H Holmes was on moon’s original list.

 

To be fair, he was a better player than you think he was..

 

I'm not sure how murder or rape boosts a players career stats.

[moonslav59]

If you had to choose between just these two choices, what would it be?

 

Bogey & Haniger

 

or

 

Swanson & Nimmo

[Bellhorn04]

If you had to choose between just these two choices, what would it be?

 

Bogey & Haniger

 

or

 

Swanson & Nimmo

 

Bogey & Nimmo.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Top WAR Integration Era 1947-2022 (bb-ref; rounded off)

 

1. Bonds 163

2. Mays 156

3. Aaron 143

4. ARod 118

5. Henderson 111

6. Mantle 110

7. F.Robinson 107

8. Schmidt 107

9. Pujols 102

10. Morgan 100

 

11. Yaz 97

12. Mathews 96 (most underrated HOFer?)

13. Ripken 96

14. Musial 95... (The Man could play in any era)

15. Clemente

 

28. Williams 77 (him, too... and we know he'd be close to the Top 10 if he didn't serve a second time in the military)

[Tedballgame]

More so than Cobb?

 

Yes.

[Bellhorn04]

Top WAR Integration Era 1947-2022 (bb-ref; rounded off)

 

1. Bonds 163

2. Mays 156

3. Aaron 143

4. ARod 118

5. Henderson 111

6. Mantle 110

7. F.Robinson 107

8. Schmidt 107

9. Pujols 102

10. Morgan 100

 

11. Yaz 97

12. Mathews 96 (most underrated HOFer?)

13. Ripken 96

14. Musial 95... (The Man could play in any era)

15. Clemente

 

28. Williams 77 (him, too... and we know he'd be close to the Top 10 if he didn't serve a second time in the military)

 

Wouldn't it be more fun if we include pitchers?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If you had to choose between just these two choices, what would it be?

 

Bogey & Haniger

 

or

 

Swanson & Nimmo

 

Bogey, Haniger, a real MLB closer and an ace pitcher. Boston has to get a top starter asap, whether they're going for it or not.

 

Luis Castillo cost Seattle a ton of prospects, but they signed him longterm, and now have a legit starting rotation locked in for the next five years of contention. The Ms could afford to lose a few minor leaguers, because they already have youthful future stars in the line-up.

 

Castillo threw 76 pitches yesterday 97 mph or harder, more than any pitcher has thrown in an outing since pitch-tracking began in 2008.

[Bellhorn04]

Bogey, Haniger, a real MLB closer and an ace pitcher. Boston has to get a top starter asap, whether they're going for it or not.

 

Luis Castillo cost Seattle a ton of prospects, but they signed him longterm, and now have a legit starting rotation locked in for the next five years of contention. The Ms could afford to lose a few minor leaguers, because they already have youthful future stars in the line-up.

 

Castillo threw 76 pitches yesterday 97 mph or harder, more than any pitcher has thrown in an outing since pitch-tracking began in 2008.

 

2 of his pitches left the yard, unfortunately.