A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Wouldn't it be more fun if we include pitchers?

 

WAR is incomplete for pitchers because it doesn't track those who can actually throw to a base and those who can't... (every Red Sox pitcher is a POW).

[moonslav59]

Bogey, Haniger, a real MLB closer and an ace pitcher. Boston has to get a top starter asap, whether they're going for it or not.

 

Luis Castillo cost Seattle a ton of prospects, but they signed him longterm, and now have a legit starting rotation locked in for the next five years of contention. The Ms could afford to lose a few minor leaguers, because they already have youthful future stars in the line-up.

 

Castillo threw 76 pitches yesterday 97 mph or harder, more than any pitcher has thrown in an outing since pitch-tracking began in 2008.

 

Castillo looked awesome, yesterday.

 

You gotta give to get.

[moonslav59]

2 of his pitches left the yard, unfortunately.

 

A credit to the Astros offense.

 

One pitch was out of the K zone.

[notin]

Bogey, Haniger, a real MLB closer and an ace pitcher. Boston has to get a top starter asap, whether they're going for it or not.

 

Luis Castillo cost Seattle a ton of prospects, but they signed him longterm, and now have a legit starting rotation locked in for the next five years of contention. The Ms could afford to lose a few minor leaguers, because they already have youthful future stars in the line-up.

 

Castillo threw 76 pitches yesterday 97 mph or harder, more than any pitcher has thrown in an outing since pitch-tracking began in 2008.

 

Why Haniger, who has played about 280 games in the last 4 years.

 

Granted 2020 brings down every players average games per season, but Haniger played 0 that year.

 

So if the Sox sign Haniger, who plays RF for the other 90ish games?

[moonslav59]

Why Haniger, who has played about 280 games in the last 4 years.

 

Granted 2020 brings down every players average games per season, but Haniger played 0 that year.

 

So if the Sox sign Haniger, who plays RF for the other 90ish games?

 

I was trying to think of someone better than Haniger but not as good as Nimmo, who can play RF and is a FA. Any suggestions?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Why Haniger, who has played about 280 games in the last 4 years.

 

Granted 2020 brings down every players average games per season, but Haniger played 0 that year.

 

So if the Sox sign Haniger, who plays RF for the other 90ish games?

 

I like his righty power better at Fenway than Nimmo's lefty stick. The latter's D has improved (still a career negative dWAR), and Haniger is a good rightfielder. If Bogey leaves, I'd sign them both, for CF and RF... Spotrac lists their combined AAV under the $30M that Bogey wants.

[moonslav59]

I like his righty power better at Fenway than Nimmo's lefty stick. The latter's D has improved (still a career negative dWAR), and Haniger is a good rightfielder. If Bogey leaves, I'd sign them both, for CF and RF... Spotrac lists their combined AAV under the $30M that Bogey wants.

 

I think lefties do pretty well in Fenway. It might hurt some HR totals, but many LH'd hitter do very well in Fenway.

 

I never really thought of Nimmo & Haniger, with Kike going to SS, but that would be one way of allowing more resources to go towards pitching upgrades.

[harmony]

I was trying to think of someone better than Haniger but not as good as Nimmo, who can play RF and is a FA. Any suggestions?

Perhaps not better than Mitch Haniger, but Gold Glove winners Joey Gallo and, if non-tendered by the Dodgers, Cody Bellinger, in addition to Joc Pederson.

[mvp 78]

H H Holmes was on moon’s original list.

 

To be fair, he was a better player than you think he was..

 

He did create the first indoor stadium. I'll give him that!

[mvp 78]

If you had to choose between just these two choices, what would it be?

 

Bogey & Haniger

 

or

 

Swanson & Nimmo

 

Bogey and Swanson will get about the same amount of $$$ IMO. Haniger's contract will be much smaller than Nimmo's.

[mvp 78]

Perhaps not better than Mitch Haniger, but Gold Glove winners Joey Gallo and, if non-tendered by the Dodgers, Cody Bellinger, in addition to Joc Pederson.

 

Bellinger's swing is tailor made to die an even quicker death in Fenway.

[mvp 78]

I think lefties do pretty well in Fenway. It might hurt some HR totals, but many LH'd hitter do very well in Fenway.

 

I never really thought of Nimmo & Haniger, with Kike going to SS, but that would be one way of allowing more resources to go towards pitching upgrades.

 

It depends on how much of a pull hitter they are. If they can go the other way and use the Monster, it's no big deal. Bellinger is a dead pull hitter according to Statcast.

[mvp 78]

According to Statcast, Nimmo also pulls most of his HR's too and Fenway wouldn't be his preferred location.

[harmony]

I was trying to think of someone better than Haniger but not as good as Nimmo, who can play RF and is a FA. Any suggestions?

What is the Seattle Mariners extend Mitch Haniger a qualifying offer?

 

The free agent compensation rules are complicated under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

[mvp 78]

What is the Seattle Mariners extend Mitch Haniger a qualifying offer?

 

The free agent compensation rules are complicated under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

If SEA offers him 1/18.5M, he should take it IMO. I don't think he's going to get a really huge deal after another injury shortened year.

[moonslav59]

What is the Seattle Mariners extend Mitch Haniger a qualifying offer?

 

The free agent compensation rules are complicated under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

So be it.

 

The Sox would probably not want to give up a pick to sign him, but if he's the best they can afford, maybe they would bite the bullet.

 

(I think Haniger would take the QO.)

[harmony]

So be it.

 

The Sox would probably not want to give up a pick to sign him, but if he's the best they can afford, maybe they would bite the bullet.

 

(I think Haniger would take the QO.)

Indeed Mitch Haniger would likely take the qualifying offer.

[notin]

What is the Seattle Mariners extend Mitch Haniger a qualifying offer?

 

The free agent compensation rules are complicated under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement.

 

Mitch Hanover’s chances of receiving a QO from the Mariners are about the same as mine…

[harmony]

Mitch Hanover’s chances of receiving a QO from the Mariners are about the same as mine…

The chances are slim but not nil.

 

With payroll flexibility the Mariners have shown a willingness to overpay and his public comments in recent years have demonstrated that Haniger is invested in Seattle's long-range future.

[moonslav59]

The chances are slim but not nil.

 

With payroll flexibility the Mariners have shown a willingness to overpay and his public comments in recent years have demonstrated that Haniger is invested in Seattle's long-range future.

 

notin's got the intangibles that Haniger only dreams of having.

[harmony]

I was trying to think of someone better than Haniger but not as good as Nimmo, who can play RF and is a FA. Any suggestions?

Let's not forget Michael Conforto, who joins Mitch Haniger, Joey Gallo, Joc Pederson and Cody Bellinger as former All Stars (an honor that has eluded Brandon Nimmo).

[moonslav59]

Let's not forget Michael Conforto, who joins Mitch Haniger, Joey Gallo, Joc Pederson and Cody Bellinger as former All Stars (an honor that has eluded Brandon Nimmo).

 

I'm not sure I'd rank any ahead of Haniger... maybe Conforto.

[notin]

I'm not sure I'd rank any ahead of Haniger... maybe Conforto.

 

Joey Gallo is 28 and been worth 15.1 fWAR.

 

Haniger is 31 and been worth 11.7 fWAR.

 

Gallo strikes out a ton but he is also a terrific defensive outfielder…

Edited October 14, 2022 by notin

[moonslav59]

Joey Gallo is 28 and been worth 15.1 fWAR.

 

Haniger is 31 and been with 11.7 fWAR.

 

Gallo strikes out a ton but he is also a terrific defensive outfielder…

 

Not falling for it.

[notin]

The chances are slim but not nil.

 

With payroll flexibility the Mariners have shown a willingness to overpay and his public comments in recent years have demonstrated that Haniger is invested in Seattle's long-range future.

 

 

I did say “about the same.”….

[notin]

Not falling for it.

 

We could do worse. I’m actnot opposed to Gallo and remain the only forum poster who openly campaigned for the Sox to acquire him last August.

 

That said, defense and OBP are my top two criteria for a RF, and despite a keen batting eye, Gallo is not much for OBP.

 

Interestingly if you look up DRS and UZR for RF over the last 3 years ( with low innings), Franchy Cordero is a top ten defensive RF…

[harmony]

We could do worse. I’m actnot opposed to Gallo and remain the only forum poster who openly campaigned for the Sox to acquire him last August.

 

That said, defense and OBP are my top two criteria for a RF, and despite a keen batting eye, Gallo is not much for OBP.

 

Interestingly if you look up DRS and UZR for RF over the last 3 years ( with low innings), Franchy Cordero is a top ten defensive RF…

Over his last two slumping seasons Joey Gallo has an on-base percentage of .323 in 279 games. Over the same period Mitch Haniger has an on-base percentage of .316 in 212 games.

[notin]

Over his last two slumping seasons Joey Gallo has an on-base percentage of .323 in 279 games. Over the same period Mitch Haniger has an on-base percentage of .316 in 212 games.

 

And I remain higher on Gallo than Haniger.

 

But the Sox need - and I mean badly need - a good leadoff hitter. Nimmo is perfect, but if (when) he gets a QO, no way Bloom signs him.

 

Of the remaining free agents who won’t or can’t get a QO (Gallo is ineligible), Gallo is the best OF candidate…

[moonslav59]

We could do worse. I’m actnot opposed to Gallo and remain the only forum poster who openly campaigned for the Sox to acquire him last August.

 

That said, defense and OBP are my top two criteria for a RF, and despite a keen batting eye, Gallo is not much for OBP.

 

Interestingly if you look up DRS and UZR for RF over the last 3 years ( with low innings), Franchy Cordero is a top ten defensive RF…

 

I guess, if the rebuild is going on one more year, and we're looking for a 1-2 year guy, then okay, but we'd have to strike gold in many other areas to win in 2023 with Gallo as a FT'er.

[moonslav59]

And I remain higher on Gallo than Haniger.

 

But the Sox need - and I mean badly need - a good leadoff hitter. Nimmo is perfect, but if (when) he gets a QO, no way Bloom signs him.

 

Of the remaining free agents who won’t or can’t get a QO (Gallo is ineligible), Gallo is the best OF candidate…

 

So, as I read it, we'd lose 2 picks and $1M of IFA bonus money, if we sign a QO FA:

 

A team that exceeded the luxury tax in the preceding season will lose its second- and fifth-highest selections in the following year's Draft, as well as $1 million from its international bonus pool for the upcoming signing period. If such a team signs multiple qualifying-offer free agents, it will forfeit its third- and sixth-highest remaining picks as well.