Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

So what? It means the same as basher.

 

I call it constructive criticism 101.

[Old Red]

I think most posters and maybe fans think somewhere in the middle.

 

I don't know a single poster who claims Bloom has done no wrong or even that he has done almost everything right. It's a strawman construction.

 

It does seem like the Bloom bashers rarely mention any of the good moves, but it does happen from time to time, so my guess is none of them think he's 100% wrong, so we are talking about varying degrees in the middle.

 

I also think many posters have various rubrics for evaluating the GM, so that adds to the wild disparities in evaluation opinions. Nobody is right or wrong, but recognizing the disparities in the evaluation criteria might go a long way towards at least having an understanding of those who disagree, and not jump to the conclusion that they are ignoring facts, like we are in last place, or that the 1B plan failed.

 

Some fans could care less about the farm, some just a little, and some much more than others, but GMs know farms are important pieces in having a consistently winning team, and that it takes time to first build a strong farm, and then longer to start seeing the results- not just in adding low cost players to the roster and budget, but also to use in trades to fill more immediate needs on the big club.

 

Some fans look at the current record and little else. There is nothing wrong with that, but IMO, one should look at the context of how the team got to this record, when trying to assign blame. How many of the underperforming players were acquired by the current GM. Was it reasonable to expect him to rid the team of certain players that did not meet expectations? Were the plans made at certain position that failed reasonable at the start of the season, and could changes have been reasonably expected to be made mid-season? How much was the spending budget a factor? For example, I keep hearing, "Bloom has had 3 years to rebuild...," but do we really count 2020, when he was forced to make massive cuts to the budget? Should Bloom really have been expected to create a winning team by 2021, based on his winter spending budget or about $40M and the fact that he had a bout 8-10 significant slots to fill on the 26 and a pretty weak rest of the 40 man roster to try and improve? Should one consider the fact that the 2021 team did better than expected, and that now is being used against him, because we failed to improve on 2021's record? I'm not using injuries as an excuse, but can one expect adjustments on expectations placed on a GM with a very tight spending budget until late March 2022?

 

I know some will view this as just making excuses or being an overt Bloom apologist, but I do think these are all fair questions and aspects to consider when giving Bloom a falling grade or advocating giving him his walking papers.

 

Bloom deserves a lot of criticism for many moves and non moves, but context is needed, including the likely high priority he was given to rebuild the farm, first and foremost.

 

Word salad that doesn’t change a thing.

[Old Red]

I think it's very stupid to have no interest in the farm at all.

 

So you are judging people to be stupid oh sorry very stupid if they have NO interest in the farm?

[Bellhorn04]

So you are judging people to be stupid oh sorry very stupid if they have NO interest in the farm?

 

I think it's stupid in terms of being a baseball fan. It doesn't mean they're stupid people.

 

Some call it baseball IQ.

[dgalehouse]

In 2016 , Dombrowski took over a team that had finished in the cellar two years running. He immediately turned it around, winning the A.L. East three straight years , culminating with a championship in 2018, with what is generally felt to be one of the all time great teams. I think he became complacent after that . He committed the sin of ignoring the bullpen. (By the way, the bullpen still hasn't been fixed.) Leads were blown . The team struggled . A couple of injuries and they were doomed . They finished in third place. For that he was fired. And some of the same folks who are now defending Bloom were calling for Dombrowski's head before the season ended and were happy to see him axed . Bloom took over and finished last . The second year was better , tied for second . Nice little run in the playoffs . Now , back in the cellar . Now , those who want Bloom gone are haters and bashers . Do results matter at all ?

[Bellhorn04]

In 2016 , Dombrowski took over a team that had finished in the cellar two years running. He immediately turned it around, winning the A.L. East three straight years , culminating with a championship in 2018, with what is generally felt to be one of the all time great teams. I think he became complacent after that . He committed the sin of ignoring the bullpen. (By the way, the bullpen still hasn't been fixed.) Leads were blown . The team struggled . A couple of injuries and they were doomed . They finished in third place. For that he was fired. And some of the same folks who are now defending Bloom were calling for Dombrowski's head before the season ended and were happy to see him axed . Bloom took over and finished last . The second year was better , tied for second . Nice little run in the playoffs . Now , back in the cellar . Now , those who want Bloom gone are haters and bashers . Do results matter at all ?

 

Of course results matter. It's just that some try to understand what led to the results.

[JDavis76]

Word salad that doesn’t change a thing.

 

It's what is known as moonslop.

[Bellhorn04]

Dave Dombrowski was with the Tigers for 14 seasons. They did not win any championships. They had a bunch of losing seasons during that time. Are we supposed to believe that he instantly became a much better GM when he came to the Red Sox? Or did he come into a much better situation? DD fans seem to want to dismiss the idea that the situation you come into has something to do with your chances of success...

[Old Red]

I think it's stupid in terms of being a baseball fan. It doesn't mean they're stupid people.

 

Some call it baseball IQ.

 

I get the people who who go all in, and know all the stats of all the farm teams, but I guess you don’t get the ones who have no interest at all. I guess I’m in the middle who looks at the minor league box scores daily, but seeing Mayer hitting a HR In Greenville is good for Greenville, but has no value to the Sox unless he hits one in a Red Sox uniform.

[Old Red]

It's what is known as moonslop.

 

You know him, and describe him the best.

[Bellhorn04]

It's what is known as moonslop.

 

Only to the team of you and Old Red.

[Old Red]

Of course results matter. It's just that some try to understand what led to the results.

 

And on the other hand some don’t.

[Old Red]

Only to the team of you and Old Red.

 

I’m on a team?

[JDavis76]

Only to the team of you and Old Red.

 

No, there's plenty that see it for what it is.

 

And of course you feel that way, you're his bellhop, you continually carry his bags.....

[JDavis76]

You know him, and describe him the best.

 

....................

[Old Red]

Only to the team of you and Old Red.

 

You know for all the back, and forth, and all the I know you are, but what am I Nothing has changed, no opinions have been changed, and nothing has been solved, but in the end we are all Red Sox fans.

[JDavis76]

i’m on a team?

 

lol

[moonslav59]

In 2016 , Dombrowski took over a team that had finished in the cellar two years running. He immediately turned it around, winning the A.L. East three straight years , culminating with a championship in 2018, with what is generally felt to be one of the all time great teams. I think he became complacent after that . He committed the sin of ignoring the bullpen. (By the way, the bullpen still hasn't been fixed.) Leads were blown . The team struggled . A couple of injuries and they were doomed . They finished in third place. For that he was fired. And some of the same folks who are now defending Bloom were calling for Dombrowski's head before the season ended and were happy to see him axed . Bloom took over and finished last . The second year was better , tied for second . Nice little run in the playoffs . Now , back in the cellar . Now , those who want Bloom gone are haters and bashers . Do results matter at all ?

 

You don't think context matters, as in...

 

DD obviously had no mandate to improve the farm. (He was allowed to trade up to 20 prospects that were at one point rated in the top 20 Sox prospects rankings.)

 

DD was given a much larger spending budget year one. (Bloom was allowed to spend $140M/6 in March of year 3.)

 

To act like these factors don't have anything to do with the results is missing something very significant, and no, it's not making excuses. It's stating reality.

[Bellhorn04]

No, there's plenty that see it for what it is.

 

And of course you feel that way, you're his bellhop, you continually carry his bags.....

 

You're good at insults and making stuff up...

[moonslav59]

Only to the team of you and Old Red.

 

So, calling posters who always bash Bloom "Bloom bashers" is name-calling, but saying what a poster writes is "moonslop" is somehow acceptable.

 

One can see the faults in logic of some posters on display, daily.

[Bellhorn04]

I’m on a team?

 

Looks that way.

[moonslav59]

You're good at insults and making stuff up...

 

Best to just ignore the trolls and instigators.

[Bellhorn04]

So, calling posters who always bash Bloom "Bloom bashers" is name-calling, but saying what a poster writes is "moonslop" is somehow acceptable.

 

One can see the faults in logic of some posters on display, daily.

 

It's some serious hypocrisy alright.

[moonslav59]

Looks that way.

 

What a team STORK, Old Red, JD & Swi make. A team one can feel so proud belonging to.

 

These guys actually take comfort in the fact that these others on their "team" support them. Like some known and respectable people share their extreme views. It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad.

[JDavis76]

You're good at insults and making stuff up...

 

It was neither made up nor an insult.

 

It's a fact, you carry moonbat's bags, all day, every day.

[JDavis76]

What a team STORK, Old Red, JD & Swi make. A team one can feel so proud belonging to.

 

These guys actually take comfort in the fact that these others on their "team" support them. Like some known and respectable people share their extreme views. It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad.

 

The only thing that is sad is you commenting about my posts when you have me "blocked".......

[JDavis76]

It's some serious hypocrisy alright.

 

Aside from the small fact that I have never said anything about "bloom bashers" nor have I claimed it to be name calling.

 

Talk about making stuff up.

 

You're one of the biggest hypocrites going......

[illinoisredsox]

You're good at insults and making stuff up...

 

Actually, he really isn't very good at them.

[JDavis76]

Actually, he really isn't very good at them.

 

Umm, maybe because it wasn't an insult......

[Old Red]

What a team STORK, Old Red, JD & Swi make. A team one can feel so proud belonging to.

 

These guys actually take comfort in the fact that these others on their "team" support them. Like some known and respectable people share their extreme views. It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad.

And this is coming from the man that looks in the mirror, and thinks he sees the know all, be all, end all, so you talk about sad I would think that’s a sad picture to see. If you don’t see things a certain way you are extreme even though what is thought as extreme on here is more the main stream outside of here, so there must be according to you millions, and millions of Rocks fans in a very sad state.