Fire Bloom .

[Elktonnick]

You’re claiming to be misquoted because of a perceived difference between “top priority” and “priority”? Seriously?

 

And pray tell what do the day-to-day operations at FSG have to do with the Red Sox? Do Kennedy and Bloom raise money for NHL licensure?

 

In fact, wouldn’t a successful Red Sox franchise attract more investors? Do you think Henry doesn’t believe that?

 

Clearly English is not your first language. It is obvious to virtually all Red Sox fans except to a half dozen or so who are the most frequent posters to this board that Henry is more concerned with other matters than what his wage slaves Kennedy and Bloom are doing everyday.

[Elktonnick]

I guess it's impossible for multi billionaires to have more than one high priority thing going on at the same time. They all get rich by hyper-focusing on just one thing at a time.

 

I know you spend the majority of your waking day posting your laborious screeds of baseball trivia to this board and have no other interests in life but highly successful people know how to delegate so they can concentrate on what is most important. They don't focus on the petty minutiae like you do. A merely high priority and a top priority are two different concepts unless the meaning of the word top is foreign to you

[moonslav59]

I know you spend the majority of your waking day posting your laborious screeds of baseball trivia to this board and have no other interests in life but highly successful people know how to delegate so they can concentrate on what is most important. They don't focus on the petty minutiae like you do. A merely high priority and a top priority are two different concepts unless the meaning of the word top is foreign to you

 

I posted in green to show sarcasm.

 

My point was JH & Co. can have many high priorities and give all of them the full attention and resources they need to be as successful as possible, whether other priorities are existent or not.

 

I know what "top" priority means, and what "high priority" means.

 

I doubt that some other priority being higher means the Sox would suffer in any way. They don't have to rob Peter to pay Paul. If you believe that, don't talk to me about minutiae.

 

BTW, I have more other interests than you can dream of. No need to project what you don't know.

[moonslav59]

Clearly English is not your first language. It is obvious to virtually all Red Sox fans except to a half dozen or so who are the most frequent posters to this board that Henry is more concerned with other matters than what his wage slaves Kennedy and Bloom are doing everyday.

 

So, JH doesn't know how to "delegate?"

 

I guess when JH was resetting several times, before, including the 2013 ring season, he must have had other higher priorities. It's so obvious, right?

[Bellhorn04]

I know you spend the majority of your waking day posting your laborious screeds of baseball trivia to this board and have no other interests in life but highly successful people know how to delegate so they can concentrate on what is most important. They don't focus on the petty minutiae like you do. A merely high priority and a top priority are two different concepts unless the meaning of the word top is foreign to you

 

Sure, while moon focuses on petty minutiae, you're into important things like arguing passionately about the difference between "merely high priority" and "top priority".

 

[Dipre]

I know you spend the majority of your waking day posting your laborious screeds of baseball trivia to this board and have no other interests in life but highly successful people know how to delegate so they can concentrate on what is most important. They don't focus on the petty minutiae like you do. A merely high priority and a top priority are two different concepts unless the meaning of the word top is foreign to you

 

You don't have to be a completely insufferable *******. I'll take slav's posts and overall demeanor promoting analysis and discourse on the site over your bs every day of the week. You've insulted multiple posters in the span of 5-10 posts, and the shots were uncalled for. You can f*** right off.

[Old Red]

You don't have to be a completely insufferable *******. I'll take slav's posts and overall demeanor promoting analysis and discourse on the site over your bs every day of the week. You've insulted multiple posters in the span of 5-10 posts, and the shots were uncalled for. You can f*** right off.

 

Wow! LMAO at all of this, and all over a ball club that’s not worth all the fuss, and bother.

[Dipre]

Wow! LMAO at all of this, and all over a ball club that’s not worth all the fuss, and bother.

 

Got me right in my bone of shame.

[moonslav59]

Got me right in my bone of shame.

 

You can just feel all the love oozing from Sox Nation.

[notin]

Clearly English is not your first language. It is obvious to virtually all Red Sox fans except to a half dozen or so who are the most frequent posters to this board that Henry is more concerned with other matters than what his wage slaves Kennedy and Bloom are doing everyday.

 

Clearly English isn’t your first language either. My guess is you fluently speak a hybrid of paranoia and condescension.

 

The Sox have won multiple World Series - FOUR to be exact - since the establishment of FSG in 2001. Yet every time Henry spends some investors’ money on another venture, some obvious slow learner invariably screams “HE’S GIVEN UP ON THE RED SOX!”

 

 

Today, that slow learner is you…

[Dipre]

Clearly English isn’t your first language either. My guess is you fluently speak a hybrid of paranoia and condescension.

 

The Sox have won multiple World Series - FOUR to be exact - since the establishment of FSG in 2001. Yet every time Henry spends some investors’ money on another venture, some obvious slow learner invariably screams “HE’S GIVEN UP ON THE RED SOX!”

 

 

Today, that slow learner is you…

 

Much more tact and cleaner language, but same point, yes.

[moonslav59]

A look at Bloom's farm moves:

 

Draft

2020

1. Yorke (17th)

2. Jordan (89th)

3. Wu-Yelland (118)

4. Drohan (148)

Shortened draft due to COVID

 

2021

1. Mayer (4th)

2. Fabian (40- unsigned)

3. McDonough (75)

4. E R-C (105)

5. Hickey 136

... 8. Dobbins (226), 11th Kavadas, 17th Guerrero

 

2022

1. Romero (24)

2. C Coffey (41)

2C. (for Fabian) Anthony (79)

3. Rogers (99)

4. Meidroth (129)

5. Dean (159)

...7, Bolden (219), 9. B Brannon

 

IFA

2021

Bleis

Lira

Ravelo

J Paez, Liendo, Mejias & others

 

2022

F De Leon

F Encarnacion

Joh. Garcia

M Alcantara & others

 

2023

Cespedes

Arias

Ruiz

Salazar, Je Garcia, Arredondo, Musett

 

Rule 5

Whitlock

Ort

Jacques

 

Trade

Wong

Winckowski

EValdez

W Abreu

DHamilton

Mills

Denlinger

Koss, Binelas, Gambrell, de la Rosa

 

Waivers/Minor League FA

Kelly

Bernardino

C Hamilton

J Garza

Sherriff

 

Traded away: Aldo Ramirez, Groome, German, Seabold and others

Lost Rule 5: Ward, Song and others.

[a700hitter]

Clearly English isn’t your first language either. My guess is you fluently speak a hybrid of paranoia and condescension.

 

The Sox have won multiple World Series - FOUR to be exact - since the establishment of FSG in 2001. Yet every time Henry spends some investors’ money on another venture, some obvious slow learner invariably screams “HE’S GIVEN UP ON THE RED SOX!”

 

 

Today, that slow learner is you…

I think I could finish last with a lot less effort. When Ralph Kiner wanted a raise, Branch Rickey said, “we finished last with you last year. I am pretty sure that we can finish last without you.” We can finish last without Bloom or or cheater Cora.

[moonslav59]

I think I could finish last with a lot less effort. When Ralph Kiner wanted a raise, Branch Rickey said, “we finished last with you last year. I am pretty sure that we can finish last without you.” We can finish last without Bloom or or cheater Cora.

 

Sounds like you and others should switch to being Dodger fans.

 

See ya!

[a700hitter]

Sounds like you and others should switch to being Dodger fans.

 

See ya!

Ridiculous

[notin]

I think I could finish last with a lot less effort. When Ralph Kiner wanted a raise, Branch Rickey said, “we finished last with you last year. I am pretty sure that we can finish last without you.” We can finish last without Bloom or or cheater Cora.

 

That’s a great quote from Branch Rickey, but I was talking about Henry and his investment history…

[moonslav59]

Ridiculous

 

Yes, thanks for admitting it.

[a700hitter]

That’s a great quote from Branch Rickey, but I was talking about Henry and his investment history…

In non-Dombrowski seasons since 2013, the Red Sox have finished last in 4 out of 5 seasons and they are taking aim at 5 out of 6 last place finishes.

[moonslav59]

In non-Dombrowski seasons since 2013, the Red Sox have finished last in 4 out of 5 seasons and they are taking aim at 5 out of 6 last place finishes.

 

That should help you with your decision.

[a700hitter]

That should help you with your decision.

It helps make my decision about Bloom.

[Old Red]

That should help you with your decision.

 

It’s confirmed most people’s decisions, but still there are a few holdouts.

[notin]

In non-Dombrowski seasons since 2013, the Red Sox have finished last in 4 out of 5 seasons and they are taking aim at 5 out of 6 last place finishes.

 

That will teach Henry to buy a NASCAR team…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Comparing draft picks within respective rounds is hard to resist, but we all know it's highly speculative, and basically a crapshoot for all big league teams from year-to-year.

 

I've said it a few times recently; I can't give credit to Bloom for who he drafts, because overseeing the amateur draft is part of his job, just like it is for all other GMs. Plus, picks are organizational decisions, based on input from a lot of personnel, and susceptible to assigned numbers in each round, allotted signing budgets, etc.

 

The international amateurs signed each year may be a better gauge of an effective front office: trusting scouts abroad to know who's legit, build up good relationships, and allowing them to make reasonable offers to recruits. Clubs get lucky all the time, but the smartest approach is still You get what you pay for...

[Hugh2]

It’s confirmed most people’s decisions, but still there are a few holdouts.

 

Who?

[moonslav59]

Comparing draft picks within respective rounds is hard to resist, but we all know it's highly speculative, and basically a crapshoot for all big league teams from year-to-year.

 

I've said it a few times recently; I can't give credit to Bloom for who he drafts, because overseeing the amateur draft is part of his job, just like it is for all other GMs. Plus, picks are organizational decisions, based on input from a lot of personnel, and susceptible to assigned numbers in each round, allotted signing budgets, etc.

 

The international amateurs signed each year may be a better gauge of an effective front office: trusting scouts abroad to know who's legit, build up good relationships, and allowing them to make reasonable offers to recruits. Clubs get lucky all the time, but the smartest approach is still You get what you pay for...

 

There is certainly a lot of luck involved. One area of luck is how teams try to guess what round a player they like might be taken and then take him in the previous round or two.

 

I do think some teams are better staffed to make the right picks more often than others. I don't think the Sox are bad, but it looks like others are more or less, consistently better, especially with pitching.

 

When I look at Bloom's drafts and IFA signings, they look pretty good, on paper. Since most of his picks were HS kids, it's going to take longer than many teams to see results at the ML level. That's not an excuse for Bloom, but it should not be a ding, either, until we find out how good they end up.

 

Sometimes, if prospects are traded, all that matters is how good the other GM thinks the prospects are. For example, the DD prospects traded away mostly underperformed their rankings. The ones he kept like Devers and more far away prospects like Bello, Casas and Duran ended up better than Moncada, Espinoza and Kopech, among others.

 

Our system has worked for us over the past two decades, although we have often had to trade top everyday prospects for pitching. The longest lull I have noticed under JH's era was from Devers call-up in 2017 to Bello's call-up in late 2022. That's 5 years with just Houck, Dalbec and a struggling Duran added to the big club from within. I'm not sure some fans realize the magnitude of that fact. I can't think of any team that has been consistently a winner without any farm infusion in 5 years. That 5 years began in 2018, and the affects are usually not felt for a couple years or more (like starting in 2020.)

 

Just look how much of a boost Bello and Duran have given this team, and to a lesser extent Casas! Imagine our 2021 and 2022 teams with 2-3 guys like them added each year. Low cost- decent production filling key need areas and allowing the resources we had to fill other slots to be more targeted and not scattered about 10-12 slots.

 

I know this particular talk is about the farm, but I want to add that the situation Bloom was handed was also hampered by the fact that hardly any added spending occurred starting a year before he even come into power (2019.) The effects of that were evident in 2019. No replacement of Kimbrell, Kelly and others. Following 2019, the forced trade of Betts and insisting they take Price, too gut punched the roster, and no money was spent to come close to replacing Betts. The budget remained tight until March 2022.

 

5 years of no farm infusion.

3+ years of relatively lower winter spending.

3+ years of key carryover vets getting injured (Sale, ERod, Nate, Price and others) or declining in production (Sale, Price, Porcello, Beni, JBJ, Bogey, JD and others.)

 

I still scratch my head when I see so many fans having unrealistic expectations for the team. They see the 2018 team and throw away all context that came with it.

 

[moonslav59]

Who?

 

To switch from being a Sox fan to another team?

 

Wow! I'm not hearing that on New England radio talk shows.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

There is certainly a lot of luck involved. One area of luck is how teams try to guess what round a player they like might be taken and then take him in the previous round or two.

 

I do think some teams are better staffed to make the right picks more often than others. I don't think the Sox are bad, but it looks like others are more or less, consistently better, especially with pitching.

 

When I look at Bloom's drafts and IFA signings, they look pretty good, on paper. Since most of his picks were HS kids, it's going to take longer than many teams to see results at the ML level. That's not an excuse for Bloom, but it should not be a ding, either, until we find out how good they end up.

 

Sometimes, if prospects are traded, all that matters is how good the other GM thinks the prospects are. For example, the DD prospects traded away mostly underperformed their rankings. The ones he kept like Devers and more far away prospects like Bello, Casas and Duran ended up better than Moncada, Espinoza and Kopech, among others.

 

Our system has worked for us over the past two decades, although we have often had to trade top everyday prospects for pitching. The longest lull I have noticed under JH's era was from Devers call-up in 2017 to Bello's call-up in late 2022. That's 5 years with just Houck, Dalbec and a struggling Duran added to the big club from within. I'm not sure some fans realize the magnitude of that fact. I can't think of any team that has been consistently a winner without any farm infusion in 5 years. That 5 years began in 2018, and the affects are usually not felt for a couple years or more (like starting in 2020.)

 

Just look how much of a boost Bello and Duran have given this team, and to a lesser extent Casas! Imagine our 2021 and 2022 teams with 2-3 guys like them added each year. Low cost- decent production filling key need areas and allowing the resources we had to fill other slots to be more targeted and not scattered about 10-12 slots.

 

I know this particular talk is about the farm, but I want to add that the situation Bloom was handed was also hampered by the fact that hardly any added spending occurred starting a year before he even come into power (2019.) The effects of that were evident in 2019. No replacement of Kimbrell, Kelly and others. Following 2019, the forced trade of Betts and insisting they take Price, too gut punched the roster, and no money was spent to come close to replacing Betts. The budget remained tight until March 2022.

 

5 years of no farm infusion.

3+ years of relatively lower winter spending.

3+ years of key carryover vets getting injured (Sale, ERod, Nate, Price and others) or declining in production (Sale, Price, Porcello, Beni, JBJ, Bogey, JD and others.)

 

I still scratch my head when I see so many fans having unrealistic expectations for the team. They see the 2018 team and throw away all context that came with it.

 

 

This is a fair assessment. The only thing I question is what defines "unrealistic expectations."

 

While it's unreasonable to expect World Series teams every year -- especially with limited prospect capital for trades and budget limits -- is it really unrealistic for loyal hoards of fans of a big-market club that charges top-of-the-industry spectator fees to expect the franchise to invest enough each year to legitimately contend for a postseason berth?

[Dipre]

Bloom is staying, and they won't spend until they're sure that they can sustain a winner over a long period of time, like the Dodgers and Astros. Everyone can cry until their tears flood the world like the tale of Noah's Ark, but that's what's going to happen.

[notin]

Bloom is staying, and they won't spend until they're sure that they can sustain a winner over a long period of time, like the Dodgers and Astros. Everyone can cry until their tears flood the world like the tale of Noah's Ark, but that's what's going to happen.

 

We’re going to have a flood!???!??

[Dipre]

There's about a quintet of people here on TalkSox that are already raising the sea levels.