Fire Bloom .

[Hugh2]

I can't believe the Sox who are down.

 

Chris Sale

Macha Wacha

Matt Barnes (ok he fell apart)

Tyler Danish

Trevor Story

Rafael Devers

Kike Hernandez

 

and has underperformance from 1/2 the other guys.

 

are not spending all their assets to go for it.

 

Imagine you're playing poker, and you're the guy who goes all in with a s*** hand. You go home early and broke. We can talk about what went wrong and how competent Bloom is all day long, but if you didn't see the writing on the wall and are all hot and bothered because the Sox sold off expiring contracts then you're just living in la la land.

[mvp 78]

Again, if your rebuilding then rebuild!

Don’t acquire a 34 year old bear leaguer with a 2 million buyout in 23 for what, to win 72 games instead of 70?

 

F##king joke!

 

It's so you don't have to play Jaylin Davis and he was acquired for a PTBNL AND you spent all of the past few days bitching about the Sox not having OFers. Now he gets and OFer and you still complain? Seems like it doesn't matter whether or not he does make a move?

[mvp 78]

I can't believe the Sox who are down.

 

Chris Sale

Macha Wacha

Matt Barnes (ok he fell apart)

Tyler Danish

Trevor Story

Rafael Devers

Kike Hernandez

 

and has underperformance from 1/2 the other guys.

 

are not spending all their assets to go for it.

 

Imagine you're playing poker, and you're the guy who goes all in with a s*** hand. You go home early and broke. We can talk about what went wrong and how competent Bloom is all day long, but if you didn't see the writing on the wall and are all hot and bothered because the Sox sold off expiring contracts then you're just living in la la land.

 

I mean, they didn't go all in last year. They just obtained Schwarber and Robles/Davis. We wanted more. Many people wanted them to either be all in on a sale or a buy this year, but they seemed to again just kinda toe the line which was the ever present third option.

[mvp 78]

It was far from a conclusion, Nick.

 

It's the fact that Eovaldi pitched last night that makes me wonder. If they're trading him it's risky to use him.

 

But having a strong performance did help improve his trade stock after some of his recent groaners.

[Elktonnick]

Vazquez is leaving at the end of the year. If they want to bring him back, they can just re-sign him.

 

Valdez is 23 and in AAA with an OPS of 907. He is 13 months older than Casas, not some washed up retread.

 

Abreu is 23 and in AA and is the lesser prospect, but fills an organizational hole at OF.

 

What 25 year old in AA are we talking about?

 

"It's not about the prospects it's about dealing your #1 C at cheap money." Yeah, that's why you can deal him at the deadline. If he wasn't a #1, nobody would want him. If he was expensive, nobody would want him. He has value because he's cheap and pretty good. You complain about Bloom NOT making changes, but then complain when he does make changes. It makes no sense.

 

What makes no sense is bringing two well known problem children Pham and McGuire into that clubhouse. There were numerous reports of how clubhouse morale was in the dumpster before the Vaz trade. I fail to see how adding these two seriously flawed characters makes things better.

[Hugh2]

What makes no sense is bringing two well known problem children Pham and McGuire into that clubhouse. There were numerous reports of how clubhouse morale was in the dumpster before the Vaz trade. I fail to see how adding these two seriously flawed characters makes things better.

 

People's past does not always define their future. Yes, these guys had incidents, but do we really know if they're bad clubhouse guys now?

 

Also, as you said, morale was already low, and the season was lost. Where are the Sox out of it? not completely, but there was a very realistic chance of this club making the world series and virtually none of winning it all. So, why not audition these guys? and if nothing else.....you have to fill the roster out.

[mvp 78]

What makes no sense is bringing two well known problem children Pham and McGuire into that clubhouse. There were numerous reports of how clubhouse morale was in the dumpster before the Vaz trade. I fail to see how adding these two seriously flawed characters makes things better.

 

Aside from the arrest, have there been other issues with McGuire? Is he a bad teammate? I've never even heard of the guy until last night.

[Elktonnick]

Aside from the arrest, have there been other issues with McGuire? Is he a bad teammate? I've never even heard of the guy until last night.

 

The arrest and conviction are enough. Since the arrest he has been moved twice in two years. That and the arrest is all one needs to know. Like I said this acquisition is indefensable..

[cukes]

What makes no sense is bringing two well known problem children Pham and McGuire into that clubhouse. There were numerous reports of how clubhouse morale was in the dumpster before the Vaz trade. I fail to see how adding these two seriously flawed characters makes things better.

club house morale is at an all time low, I always said they were lethargic and comatose and Cora is not a motivator but people think he's the greatest since the wheel

[JDavis76]

Aside from the arrest, have there been other issues with McGuire? Is he a bad teammate? I've never even heard of the guy until last night.

 

Actually, quite the opposite.

 

I hear he's always willing to lend a helping hand.....

[Elktonnick]

People's past does not always define their future. Yes, these guys had incidents, but do we really know if they're bad clubhouse guys now?

 

Also, as you said, morale was already low, and the season was lost. Where are the Sox out of it? not completely, but there was a very realistic chance of this club making the world series and virtually none of winning it all. So, why not audition these guys? and if nothing else.....you have to fill the roster out.

 

Baseball is supposed to be family entertainment. Look at Pham's record. He is clubhouse poison. Moreover if I were the Jimmy Fund and the Children's Hospital I would not let McGuire in the front door. These two moves are PR disasters and will both end badly. Leopards do not change their spots and neither do sex offenders.

[Old Red]

I don't know how you arrived at that conclusion.

A sample of Boston sports radio this morning indicates that fans especially seasons ticket holders are bull s*** over yesterday trades.

 

What matters most is what the players in the clubhouse think going forward, and I don’t think it’s very good, and hasn’t since the season started, and with the lowball contract offers to Raffy, and Bogey. Also on the list should be the season ticket holders who pay the high high prices they do. All should be pissed at the raising of the white flag.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The arrest and conviction are enough. Since the arrest he has been moved twice in two years. That and the arrest is all one needs to know. Like I said this acquisition is indefensable..

 

None of the actual baseball players in the clubhouse care in the least about opinions of flawless fans devoid of human imperfections.

 

All they care about with teammates is that they care as much as they do. Pham is highly-regarded as a hard worker who takes winning seriously; it's worth reading quotes about him from people in the Reds' organization.

[Elktonnick]

None of the actual baseball players in the clubhouse care in the least about opinions of flawless fans devoid of human imperfections.

 

All they care about with teammates is that they care as much as they do. Pham is highly-regarded as a hard worker who takes winning seriously; it's worth reading quotes about him from people in the Reds' organization.

The fact that he has played for 4 teams in 4 years and is quoted this past year as saying all he cares about are his own numbers is all one needs to know.

[Old Red]

The Sox right now are worse off then what they were yesterday at this time, and that is a big part on Bloom for not trying to make the team better during the season when it really mattered such as fixing the BIG problem at 1B, or trying to fix the big outfield problem then has been there all year. Nerds, and clones run the Red Sox as MF says, but the way it looks to me nobody is running the Red Sox. I’ve said The Bloomin - - - - - is way over his head, and didn’t like it when he was hired. Fans, and players are pissed, and should be.

[JDavis76]

The Sox right now are worse off then what they were yesterday at this time, and that is a big part on Bloom for not trying to make the team better during the season when it really mattered such as fixing the BIG problem at 1B, or trying to fix the big outfield problem then has been there all year. Nerds, and clones run the Red Sox as MF says, but the way it looks to me nobody is running the Red Sox. I’ve said The Bloomin - - - - - is way over his head, and didn’t like it when he was hired. Fans, and players are pissed, and should be.

 

To be fair, very few trades are done that early in the season while the sox were falling apart

[Bellhorn04]

But having a strong performance did help improve his trade stock after some of his recent groaners.

 

True, but it would be taking a big risk. Plus since he did look good, you might pull him earlier than 97 pitches.

[JDavis76]

None of the actual baseball players in the clubhouse care in the least about opinions of flawless fans devoid of human imperfections.

 

All they care about with teammates is that they care as much as they do. Pham is highly-regarded as a hard worker who takes winning seriously; it's worth reading quotes about him from people in the Reds' organization.

 

C'mon man, how often do we really hear teammates throwing each other under the bus?

[Bellhorn04]

The Sox right now are worse off then what they were yesterday at this time, and that is a big part on Bloom for not trying to make the team better during the season when it really mattered such as fixing the BIG problem at 1B, or trying to fix the big outfield problem then has been there all year. Nerds, and clones run the Red Sox as MF says, but the way it looks to me nobody is running the Red Sox. I’ve said The Bloomin - - - - - is way over his head, and didn’t like it when he was hired. Fans, and players are pissed, and should be.

 

Lots of Grumpy Old Guys are pissed. But what else is new?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The fact that he has played for 4 teams in 4 years and is quoted this past year as saying all he cares about are his own numbers is all one needs to know.

 

Maybe someone might like to know this (from today's Cincinnati Inquirer): MIAMI – Cincinnati Reds general manager Nick Krall called left fielder Tommy Pham one of the hardest workers he has been around in the clubhouse. “He was really good, very prepared, took his craft very seriously and worked his butt off,” Krall said. “We really enjoyed having him in the clubhouse."

[JDavis76]

True, but it would be taking a big risk. Plus since he did look good, you might pull him earlier than 97 pitches.

 

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

 

And orlando is certainly desperate.

[notin]

The Sox right now are worse off then what they were yesterday at this time, and that is a big part on Bloom for not trying to make the team better during the season when it really mattered such as fixing the BIG problem at 1B, or trying to fix the big outfield problem then has been there all year. Nerds, and clones run the Red Sox as MF says, but the way it looks to me nobody is running the Red Sox. I’ve said The Bloomin - - - - - is way over his head, and didn’t like it when he was hired. Fans, and players are pissed, and should be.

 

 

He got you that RHH outfielder you’ve been bitching about all season…

[Old Red]

Lots of Grumpy Old Guys are pissed. But what else is new?

 

It’s not just GOG. A good GM, which Bloom is not would have fixed the 1B, and OF problems long ago if they were concerned with winning, by not doing so shows where the thinking is. GOG, and CO, and not just GOG. All of Blooms supporters (jocks) deserve this circus show. The rest of us doesn’t.

[Old Red]

He got you that RHH outfielder you’ve been bitching about all season…

 

Should have been done MONTHS ago Sherlock.

[mvp 78]

He got you that RHH outfielder you’ve been bitching about all season…

 

No, not THAT one!

[notin]

Should have been done MONTHS ago Sherlock.

 

Some people are just never happy…

[mvp 78]

Should have been done MONTHS ago Sherlock.

 

Are these the goalposts we keep hearing about?

[mvp 78]

It’s not just GOG. A good GM, which Bloom is not would have fixed the 1B, and OF problems long ago if they were concerned with winning, by not doing so shows where the thinking is. GOG, and CO, and not just GOG. All of Blooms supporters (jocks) deserve this circus show. The rest of us doesn’t.

 

He should have fixed it in the offseason, yes. However, he found a guy now. Why bitch about the move today? Why not say, ok let's see what happens?

 

I have agreed all along that the OF plan sucked. I agreed that it sucked in 2021. I agreed that the bullpen plan sucked in the offseason. Bloom can be criticized for it. However, criticizing him AFTER the trades that you've called for seems weird AF.

[notin]

He should have fixed it in the offseason, yes. However, he found a guy now. Why bitch about the move today? Why not say, ok let's see what happens?

 

I have agreed all along that the OF plan sucked. I agreed that it sucked in 2021. I agreed that the bullpen plan sucked in the offseason. Bloom can be criticized for it. However, criticizing him AFTER the trades that you've called for seems weird AF.

 

The thing to me is they had clear OF and bullpen and even 1b plans before the season. However, injuries, weak depth, and some players just flat out not producing made them all weaknesses. It’s not like any of them were ignored.

 

And when you have weaknesses like that, your only options are internal ones until other teams are willing to trade. To me, the Sox absolutely did not exhaust all internal options, but I am not going to pretend they didn’t try them…

[Elktonnick]

Maybe someone might like to know this (from today's Cincinnati Inquirer): MIAMI – Cincinnati Reds general manager Nick Krall called left fielder Tommy Pham one of the hardest workers he has been around in the clubhouse. “He was really good, very prepared, took his craft very seriously and worked his butt off,” Krall said. “We really enjoyed having him in the clubhouse."

That's why they traded him.