Fire Bloom .

[Hugh2]

It depends on how Song looks. If he's a lost cause, the next 2 weeks may not matter. DD doesn't care about the bottom of the 40 man roster.

 

He could care about sticking it to the Sox, but it's really just sticking it to Song.

 

Well that’s the thing, DD totally pulled a dick move, and the most likely outcome after Song returning to Boston is screwing up his development.

[moonslav59]

Well that’s the thing, DD totally pulled a dick move, and the most likely outcome after Song returning to Boston is screwing up his development.

 

If he returns him after the 15 day thing, nothing is really messed up.

 

If DD trades us something, so he can keep him off the 40, no harm will be done.

 

So far, Song is doing exactly what he'd be doing whether on the 40 or not.

[Old Red]

Well that’s the thing, DD totally pulled a dick move, and the most likely outcome after Song returning to Boston is screwing up his development.

 

Disagree 100% that DD pulled a dick move. I don’t think DD had any knowledge that Song would be released this year, and was just taking a chance for further down the line. After all he did draft him. I don’t believe he would have drafted him if he knew he was being released as early as he was.

[Bellhorn04]

Disagree 100% that DD pulled a dick move. I don’t think DD had any knowledge that Song would be released this year, and was just taking a chance for further down the line. After all he did draft him. I don’t believe he would have drafted him if he knew he was being released as early as he was.

 

But there was a reasonable chance of him being released this year. The Navy would realize that the more time goes by the less his chances of playing in the big leagues.

[Old Red]

But there was a reasonable chance of him being released this year. The Navy would realize that the more time goes by the less his chances of playing in the big leagues.

 

You may be right, but I just don’t think DD would have drafted him if he was counting on this year as the year.

[moonslav59]

You may be right, but I just don’t think DD would have drafted him if he was counting on this year as the year.

 

It seems like many are viewing DD as a genius for selecting him, at this time.

[Old Red]

It seems like many are viewing DD as a genius for selecting him, at this time.

 

I don’t think he’s a genius. Like he said it’s a low risk, high reward type of move. If it works out great, and if it doesn’t no big loss.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think he’s a genius. Like he said it’s a low risk, high reward type of move. If it works out great, and if it doesn’t no big loss.

 

Okay, maybe not "genius," but most view it as a coup, precisely because of the timing of the selection with his availability.

 

The Sox may have protected him had they known he'd become available.

 

In other words, I don't think DD is bummed he's available so quickly.

[moonslav59]

But there was a reasonable chance of him being released this year.

 

He did apply for a waiver, but was planning on going to Japan, this year.

[notin]

Well that’s the thing, DD totally pulled a dick move, and the most likely outcome after Song returning to Boston is screwing up his development.

 

I don’t think it was a dick move. I do think Song being granted permission might have screwed up his timeline. It seems like the Phillies are a tad unprepared to know what to do. DD probably hoped to bury Song on the Military List for a year, hopefully defend his pennant, maybe win a ring, and reinvestigate this situation next November…

[moonslav59]

I don’t think it was a dick move. I do think Song being granted permission might have screwed up his timeline. It seems like the Phillies are a tad unprepared to know what to do. DD probably hoped to bury Song on the Military List for a year, hopefully defend his pennant, maybe win a ring, and reinvestigate this situation next November…

 

Unprepared, maybe, but I think DD is thrilled, this happened so quickly.

 

When would the timing have been better? When he would be 2 years older? After the Phillie have a sucky season? (When will that be?)

[mvp 78]

Unprepared, maybe, but I think DD is thrilled, this happened so quickly.

 

When would the timing have been better? When he would be 2 years older? After the Phillie have a sucky season? (When will that be?)

 

Next year. Song would only have to be on the active roster for 60 days rather than the whole year. Easier to keep him around.

[Bellhorn04]

Next year. Song would only have to be on the active roster for 60 days rather than the whole year. Easier to keep him around.

 

But there was no way of knowing next year was the year. This year was more likely. The Navy knew Song was getting to the now or never stage as far as a baseball career.

[notin]

But there was no way of knowing next year was the year. This year was more likely. The Navy knew Song was getting to the now or never stage as far as a baseball career.

 

Do you think the Navy really cared?

[Bellhorn04]

Do you think the Navy really cared?

 

They released him, didn't they? Call it what you want, but someone in authority decided to let him pursue his baseball career.

[illinoisredsox]

Do you think the Navy really cared?

 

They released him, didn't they? Call it what you want, but someone in authority decided to let him pursue his baseball career.

 

I tend to think he is still technically serving his 5 year commitment. The Navy probably took him off active duty and placed him in reserve status, so he is still subject to being recalled to active duty in the next couple years (unlikely, but possible).

 

They did something similar with David Robinson 30+ years ago.

 

Edit - saw Bellhorn posted and then deleted something about selected reserve. That means he is required to report for duty once a month and two other weeks per year. It is considered active duty status but not full time, which might explain the 10 year obligation.

Edited March 11, 2023 by illinoisredsox

[Bellhorn04]

In some real Song news, he's been shut down with back tightness and will be re-evaluated next week. So he may not get in any spring games at all.

[notin]

I tend to think he is still technically serving his 5 year commitment. The Navy probably took him off active duty and placed him in reserve status, so he is still subject to being recalled to active duty in the next couple years (unlikely, but possible).

 

They did something similar with David Robinson 30+ years ago.

 

Edit - saw Bellhorn posted and then deleted something about selected reserve. That means he is required to report for duty once a month and two other weeks per year. It is considered active duty status but not full time, which might explain the 10 year obligation.

 

Robinson was another weird case because while he did serve his two year obligation, the Naval Academy (like all military academies) has size restrictions on recruits. Robinson started out there right around the maximum limit, but grew another 6 or so inches while at the Academy. His size actually limited his options within the Navy. Not sure how severely. In spite of this, the Navy still kept Robinson on active duty for two years.

 

Song, at a more modest 6’2” - 6’3” or so (corrections welcome) faces no such limitations…

[notin]

In some real Song news, he's been shut down with back tightness and will be re-evaluated next week. So he may not get in any spring games at all.

 

It’s at least something of an explanation…

[mvp 78]

In some real Song news, he's been shut down with back tightness and will be re-evaluated next week. So he may not get in any spring games at all.

 

Sox better file a grievance

[Maxbialystock]

Robinson was another weird case because while he did serve his two year obligation, the Naval Academy (like all military academies) has size restrictions on recruits. Robinson started out there right around the maximum limit, but grew another 6 or so inches while at the Academy. His size actually limited his options within the Navy. Not sure how severely. In spite of this, the Navy still kept Robinson on active duty for two years.

 

Song, at a more modest 6’2” - 6’3” or so (corrections welcome) faces no such limitations…

 

The service obligation of 5 years of active service in the Navy is real and completely justified because the USNA education--and commission in the US Navy--is at no cost to the graduates.

 

David Robinson could have served 5 years in the active Navy, but in his case letting him go to the NBA early was in fact "for the good of the service." Why? Because he was well known, greatly admired, and a terrific help to the US Navy's recruiting efforts.

 

Doc Blanchard and Glenn Davis, both West Point grads (1947), were awarded the Heisman Trophy in consecutive years (Blanchard in 1945, Davis in 1946). Both wanted to play in the NFL, but couldn't right away because of the service requirement. Blanchard became a fighter pilot in the USAF and served 24 years, 1947-71. Davis served just 3 years in the Army, followed by a short NFL career (1950-52) and assorted jobs. In the 1947 NFL draft, Davis was ranked 2d and Blanchard 3d.

[notin]

The service obligation of 5 years of active service in the Navy is real and completely justified because the USNA education--and commission in the US Navy--is at no cost to the graduates.

 

David Robinson could have served 5 years in the active Navy, but in his case letting him go to the NBA early was in fact "for the good of the service." Why? Because he was well known, greatly admired, and a terrific help to the US Navy's recruiting efforts.

 

Doc Blanchard and Glenn Davis, both West Point grads (1947), were awarded the Heisman Trophy in consecutive years (Blanchard in 1945, Davis in 1946). Both wanted to play in the NFL, but couldn't right away because of the service requirement. Blanchard became a fighter pilot in the USAF and served 24 years, 1947-71. Davis served just 3 years in the Army, followed by a short NFL career (1950-52) and assorted jobs. In the 1947 NFL draft, Davis was ranked 2d and Blanchard 3d.

 

Staubach served 4 years as well…

[jad]

How about Joe Bellino? 1960 Heisman. Also 4 years in Navy, I think.

[notin]

How about Joe Bellino? 1960 Heisman. Also 4 years in Navy, I think.

 

Napoleon McCallum served 5 years, I think…

[Bellhorn04]

Getting back to Noah Song, my question, which I asked earlier but may not have phrased very well is this:

 

Let's say the Phillies try to make a trade with the Red Sox for Song but the Red Sox aren't satisfied with what's offered. What's the next step in the process?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Getting back to Noah Song, my question, which I asked earlier but may not have phrased very well is this:

 

Let's say the Phillies try to make a trade with the Red Sox for Song but the Red Sox aren't satisfied with what's offered. What's the next step in the process?

 

From the info out there, it appears if the Phils decide not to carry Song all season they can put him on waivers, and if no other club claims him, the Red Sox can take him back for half the Rule V fee (50K).

 

So Bloom could keep Song and still pocket enough Dombro bucks to replace those fake Smartboard markers and erasers he chucks across the room during boardroom presentations on the progress of his trade acquisitions.

[notin]

Getting back to Noah Song, my question, which I asked earlier but may not have phrased very well is this:

 

Let's say the Phillies try to make a trade with the Red Sox for Song but the Red Sox aren't satisfied with what's offered. What's the next step in the process?

 

 

Either the Sox counteroffer or the Phillies just try to keep him. There’s not a lot of “next steps”…

[Bellhorn04]

Either the Sox counteroffer or the Phillies just try to keep him. There’s not a lot of “next steps”…

 

I still don't understand. How do the Phillies "just try to keep him"?

 

Is it that if no deal can be worked out the Phillies are forced to keep him on the 26?

Edited March 20, 2023 by Bellhorn04

[notin]

I still don't understand. How do the Phillies "just try to keep him"?

 

Is it that if no deal can be worked out the Phillies are forced to keep him on the 26?

 

They can also trade him (and his Rule 5 status) to another team. But I’m not sure how appealing Song is right now with all his inactivity and his injury

 

What other options are you thinking about? Teams don’t really have a lot of them with Rule 5 picks…

[Bellhorn04]

They can also trade him (and his Rule 5 status) to another team. But I’m not sure how appealing Song is right now with all his inactivity and his injury

 

What other options are you thinking about? Teams don’t really have a lot of them with Rule 5 picks…

 

This is all an educational experience for me.

 

All I'm really getting at is that if the Red Sox might be hoping to get Song back from the Phillies rather than make a trade for him.