Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

Yes, that is who Bell was quoting and presumably directing his post to in that post! Are you answering for notin?

 

My goof. I looked up quick, and thought I saw my name that he was answering. I would Never answer for Notin.

[notin]

I don't think he would have been eligible for the minor league portion until next season.

 

I’m not 100% sure of the requirements, but I thought Song needed to be with the Sox for 3 years, not in AAA (or is it AA or both?) and not on the 40-man.

 

If so he was eligible for the minor league phase. But I am not sure if I missed a requirement or two…

[notin]

My goof. I looked up quick, and thought I saw my name that he was answering. I would Never answer for Notin.

 

You do it all the time…

[mvp 78]

Especially Oakland, who chose OBP machine Ryan Noda from the Dodgers.

 

Noda will be 27 before the season starts. If Noda is an OBP machine, what does that make the younger Wilyer Abreu?

 

Noah Song at one point in time was a special talent. He was the best college pitcher in his class. He was the best Sox pitcher in the system. He could reach 100 and had a great slider. You could easily see him as a middle of the rotation pitcher. Noda was a 15th round pick who is projected to have a 667 OPS. I think the A's would be prudent to nab Song instead now that he's out of the Navy.

[notin]

So all the pitchers who pitched in MLB in 2022 have had a 1 year hiatus, is that how you see it?

 

Alright a 3 year hiatus.

 

And 17 rookie ball IP in a 4 year minor league career. It’s almost nothing to go on in this data-driven age of player evaluation…

[mvp 78]

I’m not 100% sure of the requirements, but I thought Song needed to be with the Sox for 3 years, not in AAA (or is it AA or both?) and not on the 40-man.

 

If so he was eligible for the minor league phase. But I am not sure if I missed a requirement or two…

 

If they could have just waited for the minor league portion, why wouldn't they have done so? Seems like a major blunder on DD's behalf then? Unless Song had somehow been listed on the AAA 38-man roster? IDK.

[Old Red]

Alright a 3 year hiatus.

 

And 17 rookie ball IP in a 4 year minor league career. It’s almost nothing to go on in this data-driven age of player evaluation…

FINALLY! It was always as simple as 1-2-3.

[mvp 78]

Alright a 3 year hiatus.

 

And 17 rookie ball IP in a 4 year minor league career. It’s almost nothing to go on in this data-driven age of player evaluation…

 

Technically, his last competitive pitching was at the Premier 12 tournament for Team USA in November 2019. https://www.wbsc.org/en/news/could-wbsc-premier12-fireballer-noah-song-return-to-baseball

[notin]

Noda will be 27 before the season starts. If Noda is an OBP machine, what does that make the younger Wilyer Abreu?

 

Noah Song at one point in time was a special talent. He was the best college pitcher in his class. He was the best Sox pitcher in the system. He could reach 100 and had a great slider. You could easily see him as a middle of the rotation pitcher. Noda was a 15th round pick who is projected to have a 667 OPS. I think the A's would be prudent to nab Song instead now that he's out of the Navy.

 

 

I do think they will try to keep Noda, because he was buried in the Dodgers system due to a lack of power and only played 1b. But (I believe it was) BA had him as tops in the org for plate discipline.

 

As for Abreu - well, he did get protected

 

Song was a projected first round talent in what turned out to be a really good draft for position players. The pitchers haven’t done as well yet, but Alek Manoah does give credibility.

 

Still Song is 26 and his career high/total is 17 IP. I still think Philly keeps him; they just do it the smart way and send the Sox something.

 

The notion that Oakland or Pitt would ditch higher draft picks for Song after Philly clearly gave up on him seems silly. If Song had enough potential for these teams to grab him, why is Philly not trying to keep him? Again, they can trade FOR his rights and option him. They gave up on a 24yo MLB-ready LHP to get him. They’re not deciding to send him back or trade him elsewhere after 3 or 4 IP.

 

Most likely, Song pitches for the Phillies. But in this case, I mean the ones in Reading…

[Bellhorn04]

If they could have just waited for the minor league portion, why wouldn't they have done so? Seems like a major blunder on DD's behalf then? Unless Song had somehow been listed on the AAA 38-man roster? IDK.

 

I really don't think I've ever seen any rules as complicated as these.

[notin]

Technically, his last competitive pitching was at the Premier 12 tournament for Team USA in November 2019. https://www.wbsc.org/en/news/could-wbsc-premier12-fireballer-noah-song-return-to-baseball

 

And that elevates his career total to 22 IP.

 

Even in a stashed role in someone’s bullpen, he would have to throw more than that. And burying him on the IL and in the 8th RP slot just further exacerbates his biggest weakness - inactivity…

[notin]

If they could have just waited for the minor league portion, why wouldn't they have done so? Seems like a major blunder on DD's behalf then? Unless Song had somehow been listed on the AAA 38-man roster? IDK.

 

I wondered that, too.

 

I figure 1) he was actually not eligible, and the rules for said eligibility are not so accessible for me, or 2) DD didn’t want to wait that long, just in case another GM was also intrigued by Song.

[notin]

FINALLY! It was always as simple as 1-2-3.��

 

I’ll have to learn that to help you understand why it’s a bad idea for Philly to simply stash Song…

[mvp 78]

And that elevates his career total to 22 IP.

 

Even in a stashed role in someone’s bullpen, he would have to throw more than that. And burying him on the IL and in the 8th RP slot just further exacerbates his biggest weakness - inactivity…

 

He won't get buried on the IL. I think the Sox will monitor the situation closely and any perceived underhandedness will be brought straight to Manfred's office for restitution.

[mvp 78]

I’ll have to learn that to help you understand why it’s a bad idea for Philly to simply stash Song…

 

It's probably a bad idea for PHILLY to do it, but it COULD be a good idea for another team to try it.

[moonslav59]

What? How would they talk about trading for Song?

 

DD: Hey Chaim, I’d like to keep Song, but not on the 26 man roster, since I’m trying to defend a pennant and tying up a bullpen slot with a completely green Rule 5 pick is impractical.

 

Bloom: OK. What will you give for complete rights to Song?

 

DD: We’ll, Painter and Abel are off limits. But I’m open to anyone else in this fairly barren minor league system.

 

Bloom: Ok, how about Johan Rojas?

 

DD: Hmmm. Still stockpiling speed, I see. Let me see Song pitch a little first, but I’ll get back to you on that.

 

 

And then they hang up and call each other names to their underlings…

 

I'm not sure they go with "anyone but Painter and Abel," but if Song looks good, maybe it gets to that point.

 

BTV Values on others:

 

14.4 McGarry

11.1 Crawford

5.9 Rojas

5.5 Lee

3.0 Wilson

2.4 Bergolla, Viars & Hall

2.1 Rincones

 

1.9 Song

 

[Old Red]

I’ll have to learn that to help you understand why it’s a bad idea for Philly to simply stash Song…

 

What’s that got to do with 1-2-3? This is Philly’s problem, and we’ll just have to wait, and see how it all works out. I’m sure DD doesn’t need your advice.

[mvp 78]

I really don't think I've ever seen any rules as complicated as these.

 

It's terrible. I thought I knew the Rule 5 rules, but I now realize I did not know them as well as I thought. There are a lot of things about baseball that are needlessly complex (various park's quirky ground rules, balks), but some of these offseason roster rules are just tiring.

[moonslav59]

FINALLY! It was always as simple as 1-2-3.��

 

Both were right:

 

3 years off

 

4 years between pitching.

[mvp 78]

Both were right:

 

3 years off

 

4 years between pitching.

 

No.

[notin]

I'm not sure they go with "anyone but Painter and Abel," but if Song looks good, maybe it gets to that point.

 

BTV Values on others:

 

14.4 McGarry

11.1 Crawford

5.9 Rojas

5.5 Lee

3.0 Wilson

2.4 Bergolla, Viars & Hall

2.1 Rincones

 

1.9 Song

 

 

I didn’t feel like listing a slew of prospects. I’m sure DD’s Untouchables List is longer than that. But not too much longer. It is DD, after all…

[notin]

What’s that got to do with 1-2-3? This is Philly’s problem, and we’ll just have to wait, and see how it all works out. I’m sure DD doesn’t need your advice.

 

I suppose you would know. You’ve been speaking for him the whole conversation…

[Old Red]

I suppose you would know. You’ve been speaking for him the whole conversation…

 

I’m not the one who can’t understand the 3 years.

[moonslav59]

No.

 

Closer to 4 years than 3, between actually pitching in a game.

[Old Red]

Closer to 4 years than 3, between actually pitching in a game.

 

Wow! Something that’s so simple for most. Pitching in Nov in 2019 is closer to 3 yrs.

[Bellhorn04]

Wow! Something that’s so simple for most. Pitching in Nov in 2019 is closer to 3 yrs.

 

We finally got notin to concede the point, and then moon had to jump in.

[notin]

I’m not the one who can’t understand the 3 years.

 

It’s nice to know there’s something you understand.

 

To be fair to me, journalists all over the Internet are saying 4 years.

 

Example: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/ex-red-sox-prospect-noah-song-joining-phillies-training-camp

 

 

Halfway down the paragraph starts “Song hasn’t pitched competitively in four years…”

 

 

So it’s not hard to spot the origins…

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[Old Red]

It’s nice to know there’s something you understand…

 

It’s not that hard. Altogether now 1-2-3.

[moonslav59]

It’s nice to know there’s something you understand.

 

To be fair to me, journalists all over the Internet are saying 4 years.

 

Example: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/ex-red-sox-prospect-noah-song-joining-phillies-training-camp

 

 

Halfway down the paragraph starts “Song hasn’t pitched competitively in four years…”

 

 

So it’s not hard to spot the origins…

 

I heard 4 years all over talk radio.

[notin]

It's terrible. I thought I knew the Rule 5 rules, but I now realize I did not know them as well as I thought. There are a lot of things about baseball that are needlessly complex (various park's quirky ground rules, balks), but some of these offseason roster rules are just tiring.

 

I tried to explain the “batted ball that hits the runner” rule to a coach on same staff as me once. I will say, he much preferred the very simple rule…