Fire Bloom .

[jad]

If anyone thinks Judge isn’t on PEDS there delusional !

 

Please provide evidence for this. I'm serious, because I am not aware of any.

[Bellhorn04]

If anyone thinks Judge isn’t on PEDS there delusional !

 

So you're not a Yankees fan. Little by little you reveal yourself.

[Hugh2]

Please provide evidence for this. I'm serious, because I am not aware of any.

 

Yeah, this is an absurd claim, and one unsurprising from Stork.

 

The thing is, Judge is a big dude, but it's not a disproportionate big. He's listed at 283 LB's, now if he was 6'1" and jacked I'd say he's probably on PED's.....but the dude is 6'7" unless his parents put HGH in his baby formula he's obviously just a naturally big guy. If you're 6'7" and you lift weights.....you're going to be pushing 250 lbs easily.

[Hugh2]

Here's a little reality check on Bloom. We can all disagree on his moves, although I think we are all in agreement the JBJ/Renfroe one sucked, but there's really no disagreement when it comes to WHAT he's doing. We can disagree on his level of success to date, and if his plan will ever pan out, all day, over and over again, but we shouldn't be surprised by what comes next.

 

Bloom wants to build a sustainable winner, the keyword there is sustainable. Not one riddled with aging contracts, and barren of any minor league depth, or young talent ready to come up and fill the void of above-average to great players on your roster. The Red Sox are going to spend the money, they're going to go over the cap and then reset the cap every 2-3 years. So they're not going to be like the L.A. Dodgers, but they won't be quite like Tampa because they will keep a payroll well north of 200 million.

 

His strategy required "bridging" the Sox to get there. And when we really think about it, we've been here before with Ben CHarringtong. Ben brought in a bunch of short term contracts on middling players and aging stars who ultimately panned out in 2013 (Koji, Vic, Napoli, Drew) and it was almost that same exact team that went from first to last the very next year.

 

Last years team over achieved, but it was still a team Bloom pieced together to try and compete while he's been "bridging" this team, he has to get some credit for that. But if you remember, this team wasn't sure to make the playoffs last year and did very little at the deadline. They didn't make certain moves because they were banking on getting healthy, so Bloom preserved the Farm and banked on Chris Sale coming back healthy and strengthening the rotation and guess what? it worked. The Sox came within 2 games of a world series and kept their farm system building up towards that "sustainable success" level.

 

When you think about this year, the Sox were in a similar situation this year at the deadline. They didn't make a ton of moves to the MLB roster because they THOUGHT they were getting healthy. Sale was coming back, Story was coming back, Arroyo was just coming back, Kike Hernandez was coming back, Paxton was supposed to pitch, and there were others who didn't miss time but at certain points were obviously struggling with injuries that hampered their performance (Bogey and Devers). But 1/2 those guys didn't come back and others started going down as well.

 

This all makes perfect, 100% sense, and explains the deadline philosophy. It was the same philosophy two years in a row and right now Bloom is 1 for 2, if they didn't get bit by the injury bug we had every reason to hope this team was going to make a run and why not? this same team did the same exact thing last year. Bloom has a ton of money to spend this offseason, but they're going to want to reset the luxury tax this year, so their wallets are not bottomless. You can expect them to pass on guys like Judge and Degrome, but the roster will likely get filled out and they will go into next year stronger, and even more so with a clean bill of health. It will be very interesting to see how Bloom fills out the roster this off-season. If you take his philosophy at face value and try to project when the system might be strong enough to start expecting a constant stream of success, then the year 2024 looks much better than 2023 which is why I think they reset this year.

 

This isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, so there's really no need to complain to me.....we have 363 pages of everyone in here going back and forth and regurgitating the same arguments. What I think might be an interesting topic and something a little new is to state what level of success Bloom has to attribute next year for his job not to be in trouble. I think at the very least, they have to have a winning record and compete for the playoffs AND look to be on the upswing going into 2024.

Edited September 27, 2022 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[mvp 78]

He’d get claimed.

 

Miguel Andujar got claimed, and hen hasn’t been relevant in 4 years. If you’re capable of reaching MLB and make no money, there is always some level of interest…

 

The worst 3 teams are the A's, Nats and Pirates. I don't think all 3 pass on Dalbec. I would be surprised if even two of them passed on him if he was DFA'd.

[Bellhorn04]

The one thing that worries me is Bloom's judge of pitching talent. That's supposed to be his forte, and I'm not quite seeing it yet. Our pitching in general has been abominable this year, even when you factor in the injuries.

 

Signing Diekman over McHugh bothers me more than the Bradley trade. In spite of the salvage job he did by trading Diekman.

Edited September 27, 2022 by Bellhorn04

[Bellhorn04]

Also, Story was not a bad contract, but maybe Gausman would have been a better idea.

[cp176]

It is all well and good to state what we think Bloom's philosophy is I guess and most of what is said sounds real good for the long term. The problem as I see it is that we really don't know what his plans are. I know that I certainly don't. I haven't talked to him lately. I just see a team that is going to need a massive turn around to be competitive moving forward.

[Bellhorn04]

It is all well and good to state what we think Bloom's philosophy is I guess and most of what is said sounds real good for the long term. The problem as I see it is that we really don't know what his plans are. I know that I certainly don't. I haven't talked to him lately. I just see a team that is going to need a massive turn around to be competitive moving forward.

 

All true. We know the Sox farm has improved and we know there's a bunch of money freed up. Whether that translates into a good 2023 team is very much yet to be seen.

[mvp 78]

This isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, so there's really no need to complain to me.....we have 363 pages of everyone in here going back and forth and regurgitating the same arguments. What I think might be an interesting topic and something a little new is to state what level of success Bloom has to attribute next year for his job not to be in trouble. I think at the very least, they have to have a winning record and compete for the playoffs AND look to be on the upswing going into 2024.

AL East is pretty competitive. If the Sox are on the outside looking in, but still get to 88 wins he's probably not getting fired unless the team tanks at the end. It's hard to really just put a number on the year and say how many wins keeps him from getting fired because not all 88 win teams are the same. If Henry goes balls out and spends way over the cap, but only gets to 88 wins, then he probably is fired. If it's a young and exciting team that is showing lots of fight and promise at 88 wins, Bloom probably keeps his job.

[mvp 78]

Also, Story was not a bad contract, but maybe Gausman would have been a better idea.

 

Pitching is not usually a bad idea. Just try to not buy the ones that get injured.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe we can rehire Benny. He’s lighting it up with 4 consecutive last place finishes with the Pirates. That is his specialty. Oh, but he has a 5 year plan, so let’s see how that works out. Many like his approach. He had 3 last place finishes with the Red Sox in 4 seasons and 7 of 8 in his career. That is quite a record, but he has learned to finish last much more cheaply.

 

Yeah, Ben is going to have to kick some serious ass in Year Five of his plan with the Bucs.

[mvp 78]

Yeah, Ben is going to have to kick some serious ass in Year Five of his plan with the Bucs.

 

Ben did win a WS though. Most GM's can't say that.

[Bellhorn04]

Pitching is not usually a bad idea. Just try to not buy the ones that get injured.

 

And if you've got an extra $140 million lying around, maybe a contract for a pitcher that's longer than a year is worth considering.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Also, Story was not a bad contract, but maybe Gausman would have been a better idea.

 

I thought it was a bad contract at the time because they didn't offer it to Bogaerts as well. And I do believe at the time it had a negative effect on Xander and his friends in the clubhouse.

 

Bogey is at least as valuable and around the same age as Story. But my opinion is just as a fan, not from a seat in the front office.

[moonslav59]

9 games under 500 with 9 games to go, so pretty simple math. Go 9-0 to get to 500. 0-9 seems more likely to me.

 

I had slim hopes we could finish the season with a winning record vs one ALE team (BAL), but those hoes are dashed.

[moonslav59]

So you're not a Yankees fan. Little by little you reveal yourself.

 

With STORK, you can't follow logic to make conclusions.

 

He may still be a Yankee fan.

[moonslav59]

Here's a little reality check on Bloom. We can all disagree on his moves, although I think we are all in agreement the JBJ/Renfroe one sucked, but there's really no disagreement when it comes to WHAT he's doing. We can disagree on his level of success to date, and if his plan will ever pan out, all day, over and over again, but we shouldn't be surprised by what comes next.

 

Bloom wants to build a sustainable winner, the keyword there is sustainable. Not one riddled with aging contracts, and barren of any minor league depth, or young talent ready to come up and fill the void of above-average to great players on your roster. The Red Sox are going to spend the money, they're going to go over the cap and then reset the cap every 2-3 years. So they're not going to be like the L.A. Dodgers, but they won't be quite like Tampa because they will keep a payroll well north of 200 million.

 

His strategy required "bridging" the Sox to get there. And when we really think about it, we've been here before with Ben CHarringtong. Ben brought in a bunch of short term contracts on middling players and aging stars who ultimately panned out in 2013 (Koji, Vic, Napoli, Drew) and it was almost that same exact team that went from first to last the very next year.

 

Last years team over achieved, but it was still a team Bloom pieced together to try and compete while he's been "bridging" this team, he has to get some credit for that. But if you remember, this team wasn't sure to make the playoffs last year and did very little at the deadline. They didn't make certain moves because they were banking on getting healthy, so Bloom preserved the Farm and banked on Chris Sale coming back healthy and strengthening the rotation and guess what? it worked. The Sox came within 2 games of a world series and kept their farm system building up towards that "sustainable success" level.

 

When you think about this year, the Sox were in a similar situation this year at the deadline. They didn't make a ton of moves to the MLB roster because they THOUGHT they were getting healthy. Sale was coming back, Story was coming back, Arroyo was just coming back, Kike Hernandez was coming back, Paxton was supposed to pitch, and there were others who didn't miss time but at certain points were obviously struggling with injuries that hampered their performance (Bogey and Devers). But 1/2 those guys didn't come back and others started going down as well.

 

This all makes perfect, 100% sense, and explains the deadline philosophy. It was the same philosophy two years in a row and right now Bloom is 1 for 2, if they didn't get bit by the injury bug we had every reason to hope this team was going to make a run and why not? this same team did the same exact thing last year. Bloom has a ton of money to spend this offseason, but they're going to want to reset the luxury tax this year, so their wallets are not bottomless. You can expect them to pass on guys like Judge and Degrome, but the roster will likely get filled out and they will go into next year stronger, and even more so with a clean bill of health. It will be very interesting to see how Bloom fills out the roster this off-season. If you take his philosophy at face value and try to project when the system might be strong enough to start expecting a constant stream of success, then the year 2024 looks much better than 2023 which is why I think they reset this year.

 

This isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, so there's really no need to complain to me.....we have 363 pages of everyone in here going back and forth and regurgitating the same arguments. What I think might be an interesting topic and something a little new is to state what level of success Bloom has to attribute next year for his job not to be in trouble. I think at the very least, they have to have a winning record and compete for the playoffs AND look to be on the upswing going into 2024.

 

Very well said, and even if we do re-set, this year, we will still be able to spend enough to get a very good SP, RP, SS and RF'er. If we can trade for one, the other 3 can be upgraded, in theory, with more money allocated.

[moonslav59]

The worst 3 teams are the A's, Nats and Pirates. I don't think all 3 pass on Dalbec. I would be surprised if even two of them passed on him if he was DFA'd.

 

Since he can play DH (very well on D-LOL), 3B (well enough) and maybe 1B, I doubt he would be passed over by any lower- tiered team.

 

There are a lot of players better than replacement level, but not by much, still hanging around.

 

His offensive potential is too good to pass up, and for that reason, I'd keep him in AAA, until he runs out of options and decide, then.

 

While we may have a roster crunch, this winter, especially if we add 5-6 players via free agency or trades, there are 7-10 players I'd trade or DFA before Dalbec.

[Old Red]

Good article today in the Providence Journal on what’s wrong with the Red Sox. Yes Bloom’s name came up a time, or two.

[Bellhorn04]

Good article today in the Providence Journal on what’s wrong with the Red Sox. Yes Bloom’s name came up a time, or two.

 

We could all write just as good an article, I think, considering that there's so much wrong LOL

[Old Red]

We could all write just as good an article, I think, considering that there's so much wrong LOL

 

We all could, but would we, and would it look the same?

Edited September 27, 2022 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

We all could, but would we, and would it look the same?

 

Put it this way, I'm guessing there are no criticisms in the article that haven't already been expressed here.

[Bobe2]

Since he can play DH (very well on D-LOL), 3B (well enough) and maybe 1B, I doubt he would be passed over by any lower- tiered team.

 

There are a lot of players better than replacement level, but not by much, still hanging around.

 

His offensive potential is too good to pass up, and for that reason, I'd keep him in AAA, until he runs out of options and decide, then.

 

While we may have a roster crunch, this winter, especially if we add 5-6 players via free agency or trades, there are 7-10 players I'd trade or DFA before Dalbec.

 

Only problem with keeping him in AAA is they won’t, and we’ll have to watch him strike out with runners in scoring position with less than two out for another year, he strikes out a little more than once every three at bats and has a negative war

[mvp 78]

Only problem with keeping him in AAA is they won’t, and we’ll have to watch him strike out with runners in scoring position with less than two out for another year, he strikes out a little more than once every three at bats and has a negative war

 

The problem with Dalbec this year wasn't his strikeouts, but that his slugging basically fell off the table.

 

Barrel %

2020 22

2021 20.2

2022 11.6

 

He can strike out and be productive, but he has to square up the ball. This year, he was just not making great contact. His Whiff % was down on 4 seamers (he was swinging through less fastballs) but he just was making poor contact. Was he just shortening his swing? Was he making bad adjustments?

 

I think he can still be a good player, just not a full time one.

[moonslav59]

Only problem with keeping him in AAA is they won’t, and we’ll have to watch him strike out with runners in scoring position with less than two out for another year, he strikes out a little more than once every three at bats and has a negative war

 

He actually had plenty of RBIs per hit before 2022, so I'm not so sure he's anti-clutch, although I don't believe in clutch as a skillset.

 

He had an .818 OPS w RISP, in 2021.

 

All I'm saying is, we should not write him off, just yet.

 

Some players bloom late.

 

We have several worse players to remove from the 40, before him.

 

If we add a 1Bman/DH, we may trade him, this winter. If not, he'll stay in the system, until we find more out about Casas.

 

[moonslav59]

The problem with Dalbec this year wasn't his strikeouts, but that his slugging basically fell off the table.

 

Barrel %

2020 22

2021 20.2

2022 11.6

 

He can strike out and be productive, but he has to square up the ball. This year, he was just not making great contact. His Whiff % was down on 4 seamers (he was swinging through less fastballs) but he just was making poor contact. Was he just shortening his swing? Was he making bad adjustments?

 

I think he can still be a good player, just not a full time one.

 

He may end up be a decent to very good platoon bat.

[moonslav59]

Only problem with keeping him in AAA is they won’t, and we’ll have to watch him strike out with runners in scoring position with less than two out for another year, he strikes out a little more than once every three at bats and has a negative war

 

With Casas and Hosmer on the 26, it is more likely he starts in AAA, unless he's used as the DH or platoon DH. I doubt we keep Casas, Hosmer and Bobby Dee on the 26, at the same time, even with a platoon DH. I suppose we may trade Hosmer and use Pham, but then we have 2 RH'd hitters.

 

It seems more likely we keep Hosmer on the 26 to platoon DH with Pham, Arroyo & Refsnyder. Dalbec starts in AAA.

[Bobe2]

With Casas and Hosmer on the 26, it is more likely he starts in AAA, unless he's used as the DH or platoon DH. I doubt we keep Casas, Hosmer and Bobby Dee on the 26, at the same time, even with a platoon DH. I suppose we may trade Hosmer and use Pham, but then we have 2 RH'd hitters.

 

It seems more likely we keep Hosmer on the 26 to platoon DH with Pham, Arroyo & Refsnyder. Dalbec starts in AAA.

 

I really hope your right, I’m pretty tired of watching him kill rallies

[Hugh2]

The problem with Dalbec this year wasn't his strikeouts, but that his slugging basically fell off the table.

 

Barrel %

2020 22

2021 20.2

2022 11.6

 

He can strike out and be productive, but he has to square up the ball. This year, he was just not making great contact. His Whiff % was down on 4 seamers (he was swinging through less fastballs) but he just was making poor contact. Was he just shortening his swing? Was he making bad adjustments?

 

I think he can still be a good player, just not a full time one.

 

I think he can be a full time player on another team. Dalbec always struck me as streaky hitter, and even last year posting an above average .800 OPS he had really good and then REALLY bad months. He never got it going this year and the Sox effectively pulled the plug on him as a starter before he could. It's ok to live with a guy like that in your lineup if you believe in him long term but when the team starts falling apart in other areas you really start to stand out in the lineup, especially big market Boston.

 

a smaller market team, who is less competitive would probably plug Bobby at 1B all day all year. And he will probably have a few more season above .800 in his career too, and some ugly ones as well.