Fire Bloom .

[moonslav59]

I really hope your right, I’m pretty tired of watching him kill rallies

 

This year, he was the worst from a bunch of bad performers w RISP and men on base- no doubt, but he was just plain bad in every batting situation.

[Bobe2]

With Casas and Hosmer on the 26, it is more likely he starts in AAA, unless he's used as the DH or platoon DH. I doubt we keep Casas, Hosmer and Bobby Dee on the 26, at the same time, even with a platoon DH. I suppose we may trade Hosmer and use Pham, but then we have 2 RH'd hitters.

 

It seems more likely we keep Hosmer on the 26 to platoon DH with Pham, Arroyo & Refsnyder. Dalbec starts in AAA.

In 2022 Franchy Cordero actually had a higher avg. obp, slg and ops than Dalbec did, do we keep him too?

[moonslav59]

I think he can be a full time player on another team. Dalbec always struck me as streaky hitter, and even last year posting an above average .800 OPS he had really good and then REALLY bad months. He never got it going this year and the Sox effectively pulled the plug on him as a starter before he could. It's ok to live with a guy like that in your lineup if you believe in him long term but when the team starts falling apart in other areas you really start to stand out in the lineup, especially big market Boston.

 

a smaller market team, who is less competitive would probably plug Bobby at 1B all day all year. And he will probably have a few more season above .800 in his career too, and some ugly ones as well.

 

The funny thing is, well maybe not so funny, was the Sox gave him an extended look, when it counted most, and then sent him down to AAA, once the season was all but over. The "all day-all year" could have happened here, too, but I thing the disgust level was over the top for much too long.

[mvp 78]

I think he can be a full time player on another team. Dalbec always struck me as streaky hitter, and even last year posting an above average .800 OPS he had really good and then REALLY bad months. He never got it going this year and the Sox effectively pulled the plug on him as a starter before he could. It's ok to live with a guy like that in your lineup if you believe in him long term but when the team starts falling apart in other areas you really start to stand out in the lineup, especially big market Boston.

 

a smaller market team, who is less competitive would probably plug Bobby at 1B all day all year. And he will probably have a few more season above .800 in his career too, and some ugly ones as well.

 

The problem is that trading him now would be at his lowest value. May as well hold onto him now.

[moonslav59]

In 2022 Franchy Cordero actually had a higher avg. obp, slg and ops than Dalbec did, do we keep him too?

 

I think we might, but his 1B D was so bad, he should only be considered at DH & LF. I think he has an option left, so, assuming he's healthy, he would be in AAA.

 

I have him above Dalbec on my DFA/Trade list (a bad thing.)

[mvp 78]

In 2022 Franchy Cordero actually had a higher avg. obp, slg and ops than Dalbec did, do we keep him too?

 

They can DFA Franchy in the offseason. Teams keep passing on him over and over again. I'm fine with him playing in WOO. Dalbec has options and more value.

[moonslav59]

The problem is that trading him now would be at his lowest value. May as well hold onto him now.

 

The problem is, if he hits .950 in AAA, next year over the first few months, does his stock rise all that much?

[notin]

Put it this way, I'm guessing there are no criticisms in the article that haven't already been expressed here.

 

 

It was a lot of uninsightful rehashing…

[Bobe2]

I think we might, but his 1B D was so bad, he should only be considered at DH & LF. I think he has an option left, so, assuming he's healthy, he would be in AAA.

 

I have him above Dalbec on my DFA/Trade list (a bad thing.)

I don’t think he has any minor league options left, last mention of one I found was spring of 2021

[harmony]

It was a lot of uninsightful rehashing…

The Providence Journal piece was likely directed at a relatively uninformed mass audience, not the highly focused fans of this forum.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think he has any minor league options left, last mention of one I found was spring of 2021

 

If he's out of options, I'd try to trade Franchy or sneak him through waivers. If someone claims him, no big loss, IMO.

 

soxprospects.com has Cordero with 1 option remaining and Dalbec with 2.

 

Here is what is listed under "Burned Options:"

 

The following players have been optioned in

2022 but have not yet burned their 2022 option

 

Franchy Cordero

Bobby Dalbec

Hirokazu Sawumora

[Bobe2]

If he's out of options, I'd try to trade Franchy or sneak him through waivers. If someone claims him, no big loss, IMO.

 

soxprospects.com has Cordero with 1 option remaining and Dalbec with 2.

 

Here is what is listed under "Burned Options:"

 

The following players have been optioned in

2022 but have not yet burned their 2022 option

 

Franchy Cordero

Bobby Dalbec

Hirokazu Sawumora

 

Are you saying that the Sox sent them down to AAA without using their remaining option in order to save it

[moonslav59]

Are you saying that the Sox sent them down to AAA without using their remaining option in order to save it

 

I don't know the reason for demotion or the rules on burning options. He was also injured.

[notin]

Are you saying that the Sox sent them down to AAA without using their remaining option in order to save it

 

I think he’s saying his source isn’t fully updated…

[Bobe2]

i think he’s saying his source isn’t fully updated…

 

lol

[Bobe2]

I don't know the reason for demotion or the rules on burning options. He was also injured.

 

Not just Cordero but Dalbec and Sawumora were not protected either according to that

[moonslav59]

Not just Cordero but Dalbec and Sawumora were not protected either according to that

 

I don't know what the rules are about what it takes to burn an option. I don't think there is any sort of "protection." Some players meet the requirement for using up an option- some don't.

 

I don't think one quick call-up counts as using up an option, but maybe someone can explain how it works.

 

Either way, if Dalbec had 2 options, before this year, he should still have one, next year.

 

Cordero may be done.

[Old Red]

1 win down, and 8 wins to go to get to 500.

[notin]

Not just Cordero but Dalbec and Sawumora were not protected either according to that

 

Sawamura was DFAd. Options are for players on the 40 man roster…

[Hugh2]

Per Soxprospects

 

Player Options Explained

 

Governing Rules. Options are governed by Rule 11 of the Major League Rules.

 

Overview. In general, a team may only send a player in the minor leagues for three seasons after that player is added to the team's 40-man roster. Each of those years is considered an "option year." Thus, a player is said to have three "options" or "option years." Once a player has burned all three options, that player may generally not be sent to the minor leagues without first being designated for assignment, clearing waivers, and accepting an outright assignment.

 

Minor League Contract. Prior to being placed on a team's 40-man roster, a player is not on optional assignment, but instead just on minor leage contract. Options are not burned in seasons before the player is on the 40-man roster.

 

Burning Options. Once the player has spent twenty days on optional assignment in a given season, that player's "option year" will burn at the end of that season. However, it is important to note that during an option year, the club is free to option the player up to five times that season, while only burning one "option" for that season. If a player spends less than twenty days on option in a given season, the option does not burn for that season.

 

Fourth Option Year. Players are eligible for a fourth option season if they have been optioned in three seasons but have not yet amassed five full seasons of professional service time. This is rare.

 

Ten-Day Rule. A club may not recall an optioned player until ten days of the season have passed since the optioned player reported to the minors, unless one of the following conditions applies: (a) the player is replacing a player placed on the disabled list or the bereavement list; ( the affiliate’s minor league season, including playoffs, has concluded during the 10-day period; or © the optioned player is being assigned to the active list of another MLB club.

[Old Red]

The article in the Globe says it all. The Red Sox need to win the next off season to avoid being a punchline again next year. Bloom you are up.

[illinoisredsox]

Per Soxprospects

 

Player Options Explained

 

Governing Rules. Options are governed by Rule 11 of the Major League Rules.

 

Overview. In general, a team may only send a player in the minor leagues for three seasons after that player is added to the team's 40-man roster. Each of those years is considered an "option year." Thus, a player is said to have three "options" or "option years." Once a player has burned all three options, that player may generally not be sent to the minor leagues without first being designated for assignment, clearing waivers, and accepting an outright assignment.

 

Minor League Contract. Prior to being placed on a team's 40-man roster, a player is not on optional assignment, but instead just on minor leage contract. Options are not burned in seasons before the player is on the 40-man roster.

 

Burning Options. Once the player has spent twenty days on optional assignment in a given season, that player's "option year" will burn at the end of that season. However, it is important to note that during an option year, the club is free to option the player up to five times that season, while only burning one "option" for that season. If a player spends less than twenty days on option in a given season, the option does not burn for that season.

 

Fourth Option Year. Players are eligible for a fourth option season if they have been optioned in three seasons but have not yet amassed five full seasons of professional service time. This is rare.

 

Ten-Day Rule. A club may not recall an optioned player until ten days of the season have passed since the optioned player reported to the minors, unless one of the following conditions applies: (a) the player is replacing a player placed on the disabled list or the bereavement list; ( the affiliate’s minor league season, including playoffs, has concluded during the 10-day period; or © the optioned player is being assigned to the active list of another MLB club.

 

Based on the 20 day minimum, Cordero did burn an option year this season when he was sent down.

 

Dalbec did not; he was sent down on 9/4 and recalled on 9/22 which is 18 days.

Edited September 28, 2022 by illinoisredsox

[moonslav59]

Per Soxprospects

 

Player Options Explained

 

Governing Rules. Options are governed by Rule 11 of the Major League Rules.

 

Overview. In general, a team may only send a player in the minor leagues for three seasons after that player is added to the team's 40-man roster. Each of those years is considered an "option year." Thus, a player is said to have three "options" or "option years." Once a player has burned all three options, that player may generally not be sent to the minor leagues without first being designated for assignment, clearing waivers, and accepting an outright assignment.

 

Minor League Contract. Prior to being placed on a team's 40-man roster, a player is not on optional assignment, but instead just on minor leage contract. Options are not burned in seasons before the player is on the 40-man roster.

 

Burning Options. Once the player has spent twenty days on optional assignment in a given season, that player's "option year" will burn at the end of that season. However, it is important to note that during an option year, the club is free to option the player up to five times that season, while only burning one "option" for that season. If a player spends less than twenty days on option in a given season, the option does not burn for that season.

 

Fourth Option Year. Players are eligible for a fourth option season if they have been optioned in three seasons but have not yet amassed five full seasons of professional service time. This is rare.

 

Ten-Day Rule. A club may not recall an optioned player until ten days of the season have passed since the optioned player reported to the minors, unless one of the following conditions applies: (a) the player is replacing a player placed on the disabled list or the bereavement list; ( the affiliate’s minor league season, including playoffs, has concluded during the 10-day period; or © the optioned player is being assigned to the active list of another MLB club.

 

Thanks.

 

Didn't Cordero pass through waivers, once, this year?

 

[moonslav59]

The article in the Globe says it all. The Red Sox need to win the next off season to avoid being a punchline again next year. Bloom you are up.

 

They are so insightful!

 

[Bobe2]

Per Soxprospects

 

Player Options Explained

 

Governing Rules. Options are governed by Rule 11 of the Major League Rules.

 

Overview. In general, a team may only send a player in the minor leagues for three seasons after that player is added to the team's 40-man roster. Each of those years is considered an "option year." Thus, a player is said to have three "options" or "option years." Once a player has burned all three options, that player may generally not be sent to the minor leagues without first being designated for assignment, clearing waivers, and accepting an outright assignment.

 

Minor League Contract. Prior to being placed on a team's 40-man roster, a player is not on optional assignment, but instead just on minor leage contract. Options are not burned in seasons before the player is on the 40-man roster.

 

Burning Options. Once the player has spent twenty days on optional assignment in a given season, that player's "option year" will burn at the end of that season. However, it is important to note that during an option year, the club is free to option the player up to five times that season, while only burning one "option" for that season. If a player spends less than twenty days on option in a given season, the option does not burn for that season.

 

Fourth Option Year. Players are eligible for a fourth option season if they have been optioned in three seasons but have not yet amassed five full seasons of professional service time. This is rare.

 

Ten-Day Rule. A club may not recall an optioned player until ten days of the season have passed since the optioned player reported to the minors, unless one of the following conditions applies: (a) the player is replacing a player placed on the disabled list or the bereavement list; ( the affiliate’s minor league season, including playoffs, has concluded during the 10-day period; or © the optioned player is being assigned to the active list of another MLB club.

 

Thanks, that’s a lot more complicated than I thought it would be

[Old Red]

They are so insightful!

 

 

The Red Sox have given them plenty to be insightful about this year.

[moonslav59]

If Cordero is out of options, I think we will try to get him to sign a minor league deal. If we don't add anyone to our OF, we may keep him on the 40 to start the year. The PHam option may affect his status as well. $6M mutual option w $1.5M buy out.

 

OF'ers on the 40 man:

Kike

Dugo

Refsnyder

Pham (see option)

Cordero

(Arroyo)

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox have given them plenty to be insightful about this year.

 

I gave up on the Boston media long ago.

 

I used to get the Globe delivery until the 90's.

[Bellhorn04]

The article in the Globe says it all. The Red Sox need to win the next off season to avoid being a punchline again next year. Bloom you are up.

 

Bottom of the 9th, behind by 1, bases loaded, 2 out. Boom Boom Bloom at the plate.

[Bobe2]

If Cordero is out of options, I think we will try to get him to sign a minor league deal. If we don't add anyone to our OF, we may keep him on the 40 to start the year. The PHam option may affect his status as well. $6M mutual option w $1.5M buy out.

 

OF'ers on the 40 man:

Kike

Dugo

Refsnyder

Pham (see option)

Cordero

(Arroyo)

I’m not very optimistic about next years team, if we go with what’s been on the field lately and add bottom of the barrel pitching (old and injured) I don’t see us moving up in the standings at all, especially if they don’t replace DJ’s bat, because the other teams in our division will make an honest effort to improve.