Fire Bloom .

[dgalehouse]

Looks like Story is not feeling well. Not expected back for the remainder of the schedule.

[mvp 78]

Looks like Story is not feeling well. Not expected back for the remainder of the schedule.

 

At this point, no reason to run him out there.

[moonslav59]

I know, sometimes it gets kinda hypocritical though DD did the same thing and he gets blasted for for winning a World Series, the Sox for some reason don’t have many pitchers make it, every GM with Sox have traded pieces for pitching

 

DD was blasted for trading over 20 Sox prospects that were, at one time or another, a top 20 prospect in the Sox farm system.

 

It's apples to oranges and NOT hypocritical.

 

BTW, I think DD went to far, but I still thing he was a great GM, and the "going too far" worked. I'm fine with the consequences, too. The ones we are going through, right now.

[Bellhorn04]

Looks like Story is not feeling well. Not expected back for the remainder of the schedule.

 

Can't help sensing this is calling it a bad signing by Bloom...

[dgalehouse]

Can't help sensing this is calling it a bad signing by Bloom...

 

So far , I think it is a bad signing . He is being paid a lot of money. Missed almost 70 games. Hit .238 , with an OPS a bit over 700. Turns 30 next month. I do agree that he has home run power and made some nice plays at second base.

[Bobe2]

DD was blasted for trading over 20 Sox prospects that were, at one time or another, a top 20 prospect in the Sox farm system.

 

It's apples to oranges and NOT hypocritical.

 

BTW, I think DD went to far, but I still thing he was a great GM, and the "going too far" worked. I'm fine with the consequences, too. The ones we are going through, right now.

That’s why they trade prospects and not players to get better and win championships, prospects are an uncertain you don’t get a warranty with them. When he traded for Sale he gave up a lot of top prospects that are playing today, but if he didn’t make the trade I don’t believe we win it all in 2018, and I don’t see any of those players being starters on the redsox before Bloom dismantled the Sox.

[Bobe2]

So far , I think it is a bad signing . He is being paid a lot of money. Missed almost 70 games. Hit .238 , with an OPS a bit over 700. Turns 30 next month. I do agree that he has home run power and made some nice plays at second base.

 

You don’t get much for $140 million anymore

[Bellhorn04]

So far , I think it is a bad signing . He is being paid a lot of money. Missed almost 70 games. Hit .238 , with an OPS a bit over 700. Turns 30 next month. I do agree that he has home run power and made some nice plays at second base.

 

Surely we're not blaming anyone for the games he missed due to the HBP in the hand. We would never be that unfair here.

[mvp 78]

So far , I think it is a bad signing . He is being paid a lot of money. Missed almost 70 games. Hit .238 , with an OPS a bit over 700. Turns 30 next month. I do agree that he has home run power and made some nice plays at second base.

 

From April 30th on:

 

244 AVG

774 OPS

109 wRC+

16 HR

61 RBI

47 R

 

For the season, he has only 4 less RBI than the almighty Hunter Renfroe who has 100 more Plate Appearances. I think that's pretty good.

[mvp 78]

Surely we're not blaming anyone for the games he missed due to the HBP in the hand. We would never be that unfair here.

 

Now now, don't sell us short!

[notin]

So far , I think it is a bad signing . He is being paid a lot of money. Missed almost 70 games. Hit .238 , with an OPS a bit over 700. Turns 30 next month. I do agree that he has home run power and made some nice plays at second base.

 

 

It’s pretty funny that you’re already calling Story a bad signing but you were defending the Sale contract earlier this season…

[moonslav59]

That’s why they trade prospects and not players to get better and win championships, prospects are an uncertain you don’t get a warranty with them. When he traded for Sale he gave up a lot of top prospects that are playing today, but if he didn’t make the trade I don’t believe we win it all in 2018, and I don’t see any of those players being starters on the redsox before Bloom dismantled the Sox.

 

I was all for the Sane trades, and the ends justified the means on most of the others ones. I'm fine with what DD did, because it worked, but I can't deny what he did has consequences, which we are facing now. It's no coincidence we've only seen a handful of prospects come up since the DD years. Houck, Dalbec and Duran are the most notables with Casas knocking on the door, as we speak.

 

I'm do not think trading so many top prospects is the answer, but a Sale-type deal hear and there is fine, and even called for, when we feel we are "that close."

 

Is now, that time?

[Bobe2]

I was all for the Sane trades, and the ends justified the means on most of the others ones. I'm fine with what DD did, because it worked, but I can't deny what he did has consequences, which we are facing now. It's no coincidence we've only seen a handful of prospects come up since the DD years. Houck, Dalbec and Duran are the most notables with Casas knocking on the door, as we speak.

 

I'm do not think trading so many top prospects is the answer, but a Sale-type deal hear and there is fine, and even called for, when we feel we are "that close."

 

Is now, that time?

 

No it’s not, you need 8 players on the field that are capable of winning good defense and good offense then you get the pitchers, you don’t waste the pitching on a bad team

[mvp 78]

I was all for the Sane trades, and the ends justified the means on most of the others ones. I'm fine with what DD did, because it worked, but I can't deny what he did has consequences, which we are facing now. It's no coincidence we've only seen a handful of prospects come up since the DD years. Houck, Dalbec and Duran are the most notables with Casas knocking on the door, as we speak.

 

I'm do not think trading so many top prospects is the answer, but a Sale-type deal hear and there is fine, and even called for, when we feel we are "that close."

 

Is now, that time?

 

What DD did through October 2018 was fine. What he did afterwards is what set the franchise back.

[dgalehouse]

Surely we're not blaming anyone for the games he missed due to the HBP in the hand. We would never be that unfair here.

 

Last I saw , it was his heel that was hurting. Now , it seems he is just under the weather. Maybe just bad luck. He was pretty reliable in Colorado.

[Bellhorn04]

Last I saw , it was his heel that was hurting. Now , it seems he is just under the weather. Maybe just bad luck. He was pretty reliable in Colorado.

 

He missed about 40 games after getting hit in the hand. That's all I'm talking about.

[moonslav59]

What DD did through October 2018 was fine. What he did afterwards is what set the franchise back.

 

I'm 100% fine with what DD did. I also accept the consequences of what he did as a necessary and unavoidable thing.

[Bobe2]

What DD did through October 2018 was fine. What he did afterwards is what set the franchise back.

 

Could you elaborate on that I looked and it doesn’t seem to me he did anything outrageous unless your talking about the Sale extension or Bogaerts contract

[mvp 78]

Could you elaborate on that I looked and it doesn’t seem to me he did anything outrageous unless your talking about the Sale extension or Bogaerts contract

 

Sale extension and re-signing Eovaldi (the feel good move after the WS).

 

The Bogey contract was good. If anything, DD should have opened his wallet and overpaid Mookie.

[moonslav59]

No it’s not, you need 8 players on the field that are capable of winning good defense and good offense then you get the pitchers, you don’t waste the pitching on a bad team

 

The only way I might make a Sale type trade, now, if if the player has 3+ years of team control. That way, the deal helps now, and when we get to "that time." Someone like Cabrera with 5 years of team control might be worth it.

 

I don't think Bloom will make a Sale type trade, this winter. It's not "that time," yet.

[moonslav59]

Sale extension and re-signing Eovaldi (the feel good move after the WS).

 

The Bogey contract was good. If anything, DD should have opened his wallet and overpaid Mookie.

 

Pearce was a lesser signing, but same thing- based on playoff heroics, only.

[Bobe2]

Sale extension and re-signing Eovaldi (the feel good move after the WS).

 

The Bogey contract was good. If anything, DD should have opened his wallet and overpaid Mookie.

I agree he should have signed Betts first and what was left over given to sale, Sales contract has him getting deferred money from the Sox in 2035 I believe for the amount of $50 million but don’t quote me on that

[moonslav59]

I agree he should have signed Betts first and what was left over given to sale, Sales contract has him getting deferred money from the Sox in 2035 I believe for the amount of $50 million but don’t quote me on that

 

Some believe he tried to sign Betts, and when Mookie refused, he then turned his sights on Sale, Bogey and Nate.

[Bobe2]

Some believe he tried to sign Betts, and when Mookie refused, he then turned his sights on Sale, Bogey and Nate.

 

I believe he wanted to sign Betts and that’s what got him fired

[moonslav59]

I believe he wanted to sign Betts and that’s what got him fired

 

I think all big contracts like that have to be okay'd by JH. I never heard anything about one person wanting to go larger and JH saying no and good-bye for even asking.

 

IMO, if DD wanted to offer Betts more and not extend Sale, JH would have been ok with it.

 

Just my opinion.

 

The Sox do have a very long history under Henry of offering what they think their own play is worth, and not budging. Lots of big names have walked: DLowe, Pedro, Beltre, Damon, and others- no to mention traded stars as they neared free agency like Manny, Lackey, Lester and Betts.

[dgalehouse]

Anyway , I think the Sox will , and should , sign Bogaerts and extend Devers. How much it will cost is another matter. Xander certainly deserves more than Story. Raffy is a very good , young hitter. But he is not the multi talented , Hall of Fame caliber superstar that Mookie is. Nevertheless , the Sox do need to retain these guys.

[Bobe2]

I think all big contracts like that have to be okay'd by JH. I never heard anything about one person wanting to go larger and JH saying no and good-bye for even asking.

 

IMO, if DD wanted to offer Betts more and not extend Sale, JH would have been ok with it.

 

Just my opinion.

 

The Sox do have a very long history under Henry of offering what they think their own play is worth, and not budging. Lots of big names have walked: DLowe, Pedro, Beltre, Damon, and others- no to mention traded stars as they neared free agency like Manny, Lackey, Lester and Betts.

 

If I remember correctly the Redsox offer to Betts was higher money per year but not as many years, but that’s probably changed since the original reports, they did offer $300 million

[moonslav59]

If I remember correctly the Redsox offer to Betts was higher money per year but not as many years, but that’s probably changed since the original reports, they did offer $300 million

 

...and you think DD was let go for offering that much or wanting to offer more?

[Bobe2]

...and you think DD was let go for offering that much or wanting to offer more?

 

Yes, when he was let go and bloom took over contract talks with him the remarks that Mookie made to the press would point in that direction mostly about the Sox telling him it’s a business and that’s the bottom line, so after hearing that, the hometown discount went out the window, and he was traded within days

[moonslav59]

Yes, when he was let go and bloom took over contract talks with him the remarks that Mookie made to the press would point in that direction mostly about the Sox telling him it’s a business and that’s the bottom line, so after hearing that, the hometown discount went out the window, and he was traded within days

 

I don't think they withdrew the offer. It was refused, the Sox knew they would not go higher, and they traded him.