2022 Starting Rotation Thread

[Nick]

For the next World Series chase, the core group maybe headed by Whitlock as a starting pitcher.

 

We sit around and talk about signing an 'ACE' for $30M. Well we got one locked up for several years at a very reasonable price.

 

Re-sign Eovaldi and we have the top two locked up.

 

Go find a closer in July trade deadline.

 

Let the Whitlock starting era begin.

 

We're NOT scoring runs right now. That somehow needs to be fixed. Maybe Cordero and/or Duran can get hot.

[moonslav59]

For the next World Series chase, the core group maybe headed by Whitlock as a starting pitcher.

 

We sit around and talk about signing an 'ACE' for $30M. Well we got one locked up for several years at a very reasonable price.

 

Re-sign Eovaldi and we have the top two locked up.

 

Go find a closer in July trade deadline.

 

Let the Whitlock starting era begin.

 

We're NOT scoring runs right now. That somehow needs to be fixed. Maybe Cordero and/or Duran can get hot.

 

I hope I'm not wrong, and of course offense is down across MLB, but I can't see all these guys staying this cold, all year long:

 

Current OPS- Player- career before 2022 and recent years OPS

.332 Plawecki .667/ .714 '17-'21

.444 Dalbec .819/ .819 '20-'21

.523 Arroyo .690/ .762 '20-'21

.524 Vaz .692/ .741 '19-'21

.562 JBJ .705/ .731 '15-'21

.567 Kike .748/ .762 '18-'21

.590 Story .863/ .880 '18-'21

.592 Verdugo .791/ .802 '19-'21

.762 Devers .847/ .886 '19-'21

 

Only 2 are doing better:

.904 Bogey .812/ .894 is close to .904

.910 JD .881/ .944 '17-'21 was better than '22

 

These low numbers are staggering and way beyond the league dip in OPS.

 

Edited May 6, 2022 by moonslav59

[Larry Cook]

For the next World Series chase, the core group maybe headed by Whitlock as a starting pitcher.

 

We sit around and talk about signing an 'ACE' for $30M. Well we got one locked up for several years at a very reasonable price.

 

Re-sign Eovaldi and we have the top two locked up.

 

Go find a closer in July trade deadline.

 

Let the Whitlock starting era begin.

 

We're NOT scoring runs right now. That somehow needs to be fixed. Maybe Cordero and/or Duran can get hot.

 

1.) Whitlock

2.) Wallace

3.) Bello

4.) winkowski

5.) groome

 

Closer - German

[moonslav59]

1.) Whitlock

2.) Wallace

3.) Bello

4.) winkowski

5.) groome

 

Closer - German

 

Wallace will be in the pen. Maybe add Seabold, Walter or Gonzalez to the rotation- or Houck.

[moonslav59]

We could see lots of W’s as in wins and…

 

Whitlock

Winckowski

Walter

Wikelman

Wallace

And Tanner Wowck

[notin]

We could see lots of W’s as in wins and…

 

Whitlock

Winckowski

Walter

Wikelman

Wallace

And Tanner Wowck

 

 

So you figured to chase a W by changing the pitching staff, and in doing so you got rid of all the H’s?

 

Story of the season so far..

[Larry Cook]

Wallace will be in the pen. Maybe add Seabold, Walter or Gonzalez to the rotation- or Houck.

 

My bad! I meant Walter but the spell check got me.

[JDavis76]

We could see lots of W’s as in wins and…

 

Whitlock

Winckowski

Walter

Wikelman

Wallace

And Tanner Wowck

 

Or it could be a lot of L's as in losses

 

Whitlock

Winckowski

Walter

Wikelman

Wallace

[moonslav59]

So you figured to chase a W by changing the pitching staff, and in doing so you got rid of all the H’s?

 

Story of the season so far..

 

These guys will have to earn their way onto the staff, and many will be after 2022.

 

Add Wello, Woome, Wata, Weabold & Wurphy to the list.

[Nick]

Boston Red Sox keeping Garrett Whitlock as starter, believe Tanner Houck ‘can actually do what Whit was doing’ as reliever

 

For all your Whitlock should be a reliever believers......I TOLD YOU SO!

 

There's no going back now.

 

Starting Pitcher #1 Whitlock for 6 YEARS...You're going to complain because why?

 

How about some concrete ideas on how to turn our hitters into hitters?

 

Okay......we're all fans here. One problem solved. It was unrealistic to move Whitlock around for entire year. I'm glad it's settled.

Edited May 7, 2022 by Nick

[moonslav59]

Whitlock had major surgery. That's one reason he was "turned into a RP'er."

 

He will likely be on a pitch count for maybe the whole year, so don't expect 160+ innings, let alone the 200+ you normally expect from your #1.

[cp176]

hey - I'm a big pivetta fan. I couldn't be happier for him. Going forward, my guess, he'll be fine.

[Larry Cook]

Whitlock in the rotation.

 

Houck should get a shot as the closer. He can’t possibly be worse than what we have seen this far.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Whitlock in the rotation.

 

Houck should get a shot as the closer. He can’t possibly be worse than what we have seen this far.

 

Houck should get a shot so he can be the closer... in Toronto (as well as in all the other MLB cities).

[Old Red]

Boston Red Sox keeping Garrett Whitlock as starter, believe Tanner Houck ‘can actually do what Whit was doing’ as reliever

 

For all your Whitlock should be a reliever believers......I TOLD YOU SO!

 

There's no going back now.

 

Starting Pitcher #1 Whitlock for 6 YEARS...You're going to complain because why?

 

How about some concrete ideas on how to turn our hitters into hitters?

 

Okay......we're all fans here. One problem solved. It was unrealistic to move Whitlock around for entire year. I'm glad it's settled.

 

I TOLD YOU for the 3rd time that this will continue to happen just like yesterday. No doubt the Red Sox offense sucks, but once again the Red Sox lost a game, which now makes them 0-6 in xtra innings games where the so called closer blew the game where the Red Sox had a lead in the 8-9 inning. Let me repeat 0-6, because the Red Sox didn’t have a closer named Whitlock. Cora still hasn’t figured out that Robles, or Barnes can not do it, and I don’t know how many losses it will take for him to realize that. Once again I’ll ask the question if Whitlock had been closing in those 6 losses how many would they have won? Whitlock has started 3 games, and the team is 0-3 though no fault of his own. So when someone ask your going to complain why we’ll I think it’s pretty obvious, and saying one problem solved I didn’t know the rotation was one problem that needed solving. It may be better for Whitlock to start, and I’m all for it if the Sox had a closer, but they don’t, and my opinion is, and has been since opening day that Whitlock needs to be the closer. I told you so then, and I’m telling you now. 0-6 in extra innings blown saves IS A FACT that didn’t need to happen.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I TOLD YOU for the 3rd time that this will continue to happen just like yesterday. No doubt the Red Sox offense sucks, but once again the Red Sox lost a game, which now makes them 0-6 in xtra innings games where the so called closer blew the game where the Red Sox had a lead in the 8-9 inning. Let me repeat 0-6, because the Red Sox didn’t have a closer named Whitlock. Cora still hasn’t figured out that Robles, or Barnes can not do it, and I don’t know how many losses it will take for him to realize that. Once again I’ll ask the question if Whitlock had been closing in those 6 losses how many would they have won? Whitlock has started 3 games, and the team is 0-3 though no fault of his own. So when someone ask your going to complain why we’ll I think it’s pretty obvious, and saying one problem solved I didn’t know the rotation was one problem that needed solving. It may be better for Whitlock to start, and I’m all for it if the Sox had a closer, but they don’t, and my opinion is, and has been since opening day that Whitlock needs to be the closer. I told you so then, and I’m telling you now. 0-6 in extra innings blown saves IS A FACT that didn’t need to happen.

 

Cora must so happy today that you set him straight. All fans should actually be grateful you pointed this out to him, because now Cora can finally scrap his idea of converting Whitlock to a starter, and stop using all the other relievers that we're sure Cora planned and approved of to comprise his bullpen going into the season.

[Old Red]

Cora must so happy today that you set him straight. All fans should actually be grateful you pointed this out to him, because now Cora can finally scrap his idea of converting Whitlock to a starter, and stop using all the other relievers that we're sure Cora planned and approved of to comprise his bullpen going into the season.

 

Just pure simple facts. 0-6, 0-6, and 0-6, and that’s just in extra innings blown losses. Doesn’t get any plainer, or simpler than that, and if you honestly believe Cora has a clue in what he’s doing I’d hate to see how the team would be if he didn’t. 10-18 is NOTHING to be proud about, and it didn’t have to be this way.

Edited May 8, 2022 by Old Red

[Bellhorn04]

Just pure simple facts. 0-6, 0-6, and 0-6, and that’s just in extra innings blown losses. Doesn’t get any plainer, or simpler than that.

 

No doubt you're right that Whitlock closing would have turned a bunch of losses into wins.

 

But considering our other issues, I don't think it would be a season-saver.

 

As 5GG's says, this is a Bloom issue, not a Cora issue.

[Old Red]

No doubt you're right that Whitlock closing would have turned a bunch of losses into wins.

 

But considering our other issues, I don't think it would be a season-saver.

 

As 5GG's says, this is a Bloom issue, not a Cora issue.

 

I’ve already said that the offense has sucked, but the fact is just like yesterday the Sox had a 1-0 lead, and lost. I have complete faith in Whitlock that the Team would have been 6-0 in those extra innings blown losses, and maybe 5-1 at worst. 15-13 would look a lot better right now.

[cp176]

A number of you have said for awhile now that this was going to a rebuild year. Not making any extra effort to sign your only true stars seems to indicate that you might be right. If you are, then using Whitlock in a starters role might be what they want to do going forward. The decisions that they have made so far don't show me that the interest in winning this year really matters all that much to them. If it is all about the future then Whitlock should start but so should Houck. If you want your best potential closer in the pen, I don't think that it is Houck. i think that it is Whitlock. if you aren't going to make the decisions that might make us a better team now, bring up the kids.

[Bellhorn04]

A number of you have said for awhile now that this was going to a rebuild year. Not making any extra effort to sign your only true stars seems to indicate that you might be right. If you are, then using Whitlock in a starters role might be what they want to do going forward. The decisions that they have made so far don't show me that the interest in winning this year really matters all that much to them. If it is all about the future then Whitlock should start but so should Houck. If you want your best potential closer in the pen, I don't think that it is Houck. i think that it is Whitlock. if you aren't going to make the decisions that might make us a better team now, bring up the kids.

 

But Whitlock is our best potential pitcher, period.

 

Not trying to be a smartass, but we could have Eovaldi close and Wacha pitch the 8th, too, if the philosophy is to use your best guys at the ends of games.

[Meh]

I'm interested to see if the red sox hang around and if they will be buyers or sellers. I think bloom could pry madison bumgarber for maybe Casas and Bello and maybe a low level guy. Madbum would give the rotation a legit ace. Sale maybe comes back and pushing nate to the 3rd slot and Whitlock into the pen.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm interested to see if the red sox hang around and if they will be buyers or sellers. I think bloom could pry madison bumgarber for maybe Casas and Bello and maybe a low level guy. Madbum would give the rotation a legit ace. Sale maybe comes back and pushing nate to the 3rd slot and Whitlock into the pen.

 

That would be totally antithetical to Bloom's philosophy. That would be a Dombrowski move.

[cp176]

But Whitlock is our best potential pitcher, period.

 

Not trying to be a smartass, but we could have Eovaldi close and Wacha pitch the 8th, too, if the philosophy is to use your best guys at the ends of games.

 

Well maybe i was trying to sugar coat how I really feel. they aren't showing me that they really are that interested in admitting to say nothing of trying to correct their mistakes. We have some strong armed starters right now and any number of them could be pitching at the end of the game if the goal was to win this year. I think that we might be in for a long summer.

[Bellhorn04]

I really don't think the intention was to be this bad. But Bloom's construction of the bullpen looks terrible, there's no way around that.

 

It really seems to make the "throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks" approach look questionable, to put it nicely.

[Old Red]

But Whitlock is our best potential pitcher, period.

 

Not trying to be a smartass, but we could have Eovaldi close and Wacha pitch the 8th, too, if the philosophy is to use your best guys at the ends of games.

 

Biggest question to me right now is would the Red Sox have a better record if Whitlock would have been closing since opening day? This isn’t a question of is Whitlock the best potential pitcher, or not, and I believe he is, but where to use Whitlock to make the Red Sox a better team. I’ll repeat again the Red Sox are 0-6 in xtra innings games that they had a lead going into the 8-9 inning, and yesterday was the latest example. The Red Sox are 0-3 in Whitlock starts, smartass, or not Whitlock is needed more in the Closer role right now compared to being a starter. The rotation isn’t the problem. The closer, or lack of is.

[cp176]

I really don't think the intention was to be this bad. But Bloom's construction of the bullpen looks terrible, there's no way around that.

 

It really seems to make the "throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks" approach look questionable, to put it nicely.

 

Oh i don't think that there was any intention to be bad at all. I'm hoping that they thought that they could get by fine with what they had. They made some mistakes. It will be interesting to see whether or not they attempt to fix the mess we are in.

[cp176]

Biggest question to me right now is would the Red Sox have a better record if Whitlock would have been closing since opening day? This isn’t a question of is Whitlock the best potential pitcher, or not, and I believe he is, but where to use Whitlock to make the Red Sox a better team. I’ll repeat again the Red Sox are 0-6 in xtra innings games that they had a lead going into the 8-9 inning, and yesterday was the latest example. The Red Sox are 0-3 in Whitlock starts, smartass, or not Whitlock is needed more in the Closer role right now compared to being a starter. The rotation isn’t the problem. The closer, or lack of is.

 

using Whitlock in the closers role would for sure have made them better. Maybe their plan for Whitlock doesn't agree with using him in a relievers role going forward. Looks to me like the plan is to start him.

[illinoisredsox]

I’ve already said that the offense has sucked, but the fact is just like yesterday the Sox had a 1-0 lead, and lost. I have complete faith in Whitlock that the Team would have been 6-0 in those extra innings blown losses, and maybe 5-1 at worst. 15-13 would look a lot better right now.

 

Doubtful they’d be 6-0, because that would imply that the Red Sox actually scored in those extra innings. In at least 2-3 of them, they didn’t. Their futility with men on second has been well documented.

[Old Red]

using Whitlock in the closers role would for sure have made them better. Maybe their plan for Whitlock doesn't agree with using him in a relievers role going forward. Looks to me like the plan is to start him.

 

Why is everyone so hung up on going forward? At the moment I only care about the 2022 Boston Red Sox, and at the moment the Cora, and Bloom’s crew is a LOSING laughing stock. If everyone doesn’t care about what’s going on this year than why bother, because that’s what it looks like to me.