A Realistic View at 2022: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

I hope you are right, but I don’t see JH shelling out any $300 million contracts.

 

And Devers shouldn't command anything like that.

[moonslav59]

If ERod declines, he should be given as much consideration as guys like Ray and Stroman.

 

True, and to me, I would not outbid anyone for them, either.

[Bellhorn04]

True, and to me, I would not outbid anyone for them, either.

 

If we're not going to outbid anyone, I'm not sure how we're going to sign anyone.

[Old Red]

And Devers shouldn't command anything like that.

 

To sign him to a multi year contract will not be cheap, and the longer you wait the more expensive it will get.

[notin]

If we're not going to outbid anyone, I'm not sure how we're going to sign anyone.

 

With other perks? Like we let them wear the Wally costume once per week?

[notin]

To sign him to a multi year contract will not be cheap, and the longer you wait the more expensive it will get.

 

Well then, I will get right on signing him...

[Bellhorn04]

To sign him to a multi year contract will not be cheap, and the longer you wait the more expensive it will get.

 

All true, but $300 million for Raffy would be sheer lunacy.

[Old Red]

If we're not going to outbid anyone, I'm not sure how we're going to sign anyone.

 

I think it will be the same kind of signings as this past off season with no big names coming Boston’s way.

[Bellhorn04]

With other perks? Like we let them wear the Wally costume once per week?

 

Or a year's supply of Fenway Franks for every year in the contract.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Was Shaughnessy - who is a coulmnist and not a beat guy who goes out and actually talks to people - citing any actual sources or is this just pure conjecture?

 

He never cites sources unless he's typing quotes, but he's been a beat reporter, columnist, and now sports talkshow guest since the mid-70s. Some fans disrespect his tone and perceived agenda, but he knows and talks to plenty of people in the franchise and the industry. My conjecture -- based soley on my subjective reality -- is that his conjectures are often influenced by off-the-record contacts we'll never know about.

[Old Red]

All true, but $300 million for Raffy would be sheer lunacy.

 

I agree 100%, but I don’t like any $300 million contracts no matter who the player is.

[moonslav59]

I would think about a very long deal (10-12 years) for Raffy. At his age, it would be worth adding extra years to give him extra security, but also lowering the AVV. Give him an opt out after 8 year.

[notin]

He never cites sources unless he's typing quotes, but he's been a beat reporter, columnist, and now sports talkshow guest since the mid-70s. Some fans disrespect his tone and perceived agenda, but he knows and talks to plenty of people in the franchise and the industry. My conjecture -- based soley on my subjective reality -- is that his conjectures are often influenced by off-the-record contacts we'll never know about.

 

Possibly,. I have heard him talk in the past about how he no longer goes out and talks to the people in the field any more. But that doesn't mean he has no contacts, or that he still has any.

 

Also as I moved out of Massachusetts a couple decades ago, I am not sure if he still operates the same way...

[Old Red]

I would think about a very long deal (10-12 years) for Raffy. At his age, it would be worth adding extra years to give him extra security, but also lowering the AVV. Give him an opt out after 8 year.

 

How much money you talking about?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think it will be the same kind of signings as this past off season with no big names coming Boston’s way.

 

I tend to agree with you, Red. The upcoming CBA conflict may postpone any big money signings... but if budget structures change dramatically somehow (salary "caps", tax penalty dynamics, etc), then I could also see the Sox front office maybe manipulating the new market. But it won't be soon.

[notin]

Or a year's supply of Fenway Franks for every year in the contract.

 

3 Fenway Franks is enough in one year for me...

[moonslav59]

How much money you talking about?

 

If it includes his 2 arb years, maybe $270M/10 or $300M/12 with an opt out after 8-9 years.

[Old Red]

If it includes his 2 arb years, maybe $270M/10 or $300M/12 with an opt out after 8-9 years.

 

Ok now the next question is do you really think JH will shell out that kind of money for that long a time?

[moonslav59]

Ok now the next question is do you really think JH will shell out that kind of money for that long a time?

 

That's hard to know. I kind of doubt it, but Devers looks special and is so damn young. He just turned 25, two days ago. A 10 year deal would bring him to age 34! (JD's age)

 

12 years would bring him to 36.

 

Henry did okay the Price deal, and he was much older than Devers.

 

I'd guess no, but I think it's a close call on a 9-10 year offer by Henry. (hard to know these things.)

[Old Red]

That's hard to know. I kind of doubt it, but Devers looks special and is so damn young. He just turned 25, two days ago. A 10 year deal would bring him to age 34! (JD's age)

 

12 years would bring him to 36.

 

Henry did okay the Price deal, and he was much older than Devers.

 

I'd guess no, but I think it's a close call on a 9-10 year offer by Henry. (hard to know these things.)

 

I pretty much agree with what you said. Raffy is still young, and should get even better, but I just don’t see it happening for 8-12 yrs. I could see something like Bogey got, but for a little more money, but I don’t think that would work for Raffy. I don’t know what Raffy would get his next two arb years, but Mookie got 20, and 27. It’s a tough call.

[moonslav59]

I pretty much agree with what you said. Raffy is still young, and should get even better, but I just don’t see it happening for 8-12 yrs. I could see something like Bogey got, but for a little more money, but I don’t think that would work for Raffy. I don’t know what Raffy would get his next two arb years, but Mookie got 20, and 27. It’s a tough call.

 

Agreed.

 

The uncertainty of injury might make Devers jump at a big guaranteed number that might be low on the open market. I think getting him to sign might be easier than getting henry to agree to over 8 years.

 

To me, Devers is a pure hitter. People talk about his need to change his approach and be more selective, but I would not mess with him, and I have always belived you need a mix of approaches in a great line-up, so you can attack different types of pitchers.

 

Look what this kid just did, one-handed!

 

If any Sox player deserves to be locked up for 9-12 years, it is this 25 year old.

 

It's just my opinion, and I'm not sure Bloom, let alone Henry agree.

[Bellhorn04]

Agreed.

 

The uncertainty of injury might make Devers jump at a big guaranteed number that might be low on the open market. I think getting him to sign might be easier than getting henry to agree to over 8 years.

 

To me, Devers is a pure hitter. People talk about his need to change his approach and be more selective, but I would not mess with him, and I have always belived you need a mix of approaches in a great line-up, so you can attack different types of pitchers.

 

Look what this kid just did, one-handed!

 

If any Sox player deserves to be locked up for 9-12 years, it is this 25 year old.

 

It's just my opinion, and I'm not sure Bloom, let alone Henry agree.

 

I'm surprised you would be willing to invest so much in a minus defender who you think should probably be a first baseman.

[Old Red]

Agreed.

 

The uncertainty of injury might make Devers jump at a big guaranteed number that might be low on the open market. I think getting him to sign might be easier than getting henry to agree to over 8 years.

 

To me, Devers is a pure hitter. People talk about his need to change his approach and be more selective, but I would not mess with him, and I have always belived you need a mix of approaches in a great line-up, so you can attack different types of pitchers.

 

Look what this kid just did, one-handed!

 

If any Sox player deserves to be locked up for 9-12 years, it is this 25 year old.

 

It's just my opinion, and I'm not sure Bloom, let alone Henry agree.

 

Money will be the deciding factor, and a tough decision it will be, but a even tougher decision will be rather to trade him, or not if they can’t work out a deal.

[moonslav59]

I'm surprised you would be willing to invest so much in a minus defender who you think should probably be a first baseman.

 

Admittedly, I've gone all yo-yo on Devers to 1B. As soon as I give up on him, he has a nice long stretch of being plus on defense.

 

He's still young enough to learn and improve.

 

Also, the way he hits, he's still worth that money at 1B.

[moonslav59]

Money will be the deciding factor, and a tough decision it will be, but a even tougher decision will be rather to trade him, or not if they can’t work out a deal.

 

Trading Devers would be a mistake, but if they won't pay him, I guess it's better than nothing.

[Old Red]

Trading Devers would be a mistake, but if they won't pay him, I guess it's better than nothing.

 

Just like with Bogey. Do you let him play out his contract, and get nothing but a pick, or do you trade him while his value is the highest with 2 years left now. They could have gotten more for Mookie if they would have traded him 1 year earlier, and especially since they knew they wasn’t going to be able to re sign him.

[moonslav59]

Just like with Bogey. Do you let him play out his contract, and get nothing but a pick, or do you trade him while his value is the highest with 2 years left now. They could have gotten more for Mookie if they would have traded him 1 year earlier, and especially since they knew they wasn’t going to be able to re sign him.

 

We thought we could win in 2019.

 

I see Devers as significantly more essential than Bogey.

[Old Red]

We thought we could win in 2019.

 

I see Devers as significantly more essential than Bogey.

 

When you think about it who have the Red Sox re signed?

 

Damon- no

 

Ellsbury- no

 

Lester- no

 

Mookie- BIG no

 

Bogey?

 

Raffy ??

 

Did I miss any?

[Bellhorn04]

When you think about it who have the Red Sox re signed?

 

Damon- no

 

Ellsbury- no

 

Lester- no

 

Mookie- BIG no

 

Bogey?

 

Raffy ??

 

Did I miss any?

 

They did sign Bogey to an extension.

 

Sale would be another.

 

Before that you're looking at Pedroia.

[moonslav59]

They did sign Bogey to an extension.

 

Sale would be another.

 

Before that you're looking at Pedroia.

 

No Pedro, either.

 

We've done remarkably well in letting our stars go, just in time.