A Realistic View at 2021: Part III

[mvp 78]

Wow, Dalbec sucks because of Sunday.

 

I prefer a ball put in play over a K, too, but to what degree does it outweigh the other aspects of a player's offense.

 

Everything else being even, sure, I'd take the guy who K's 150 times over the 200K guy, even if he hits in 6 DPs vs 3, but my point is the difference is so slight.

 

I'm not even sure the 3 extra DPs outweighs the moving runners up on an out.

 

I know I can be pretty stubborn, but I have been known to change my opinion when confronted with evidence.

 

Well, then it's a good thing I don't see TalkSox as a "debate" and don't really care to do any more research than I've already done.

[mvp 78]

Other fun numbers.

 

Since the arbitrarily chosen date of June 10

 

Dalbec: .925 OPS

Devers: .870 OPS

Bogaerts: .825 OPS

 

Not sure why the rush to bring up Casas. If nothing else, Dalbec has at least bought himself time…

 

And the second everyone started to laud Dalbec's improved defense, he drops a few catchable balls.

 

He has time, but I think Casas is better. If the Sox are really wanting to compete, they need more complete players.

[mvp 78]

And over that “stretch”, has he been better or worse than Bogaerts and Devers?

 

I'll take the guy with the 158 WRC+ over the past 5 games for sure.

[notin]

And the second everyone started to laud Dalbec's improved defense, he drops a few catchable balls.

 

He has time, but I think Casas is better. If the Sox are really wanting to compete, they need more complete players.

 

 

How about a “Casas to 1b, Dalbec to DH” set up for 2023, possibly mid-2022 depending on JD’s health and/or production?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

Not sure why the rush to bring up Casas. If nothing else, Dalbec has at least bought himself time…

 

... yup, time to "find the fence" -- the fundamental taught to pre-teen players on perimeter balls in the air: sprint to the fence, brace with bare hand, look up to find the ball, then push off or push up accordingly.

[mvp 78]

I think “Elite Sale” is, at best, something we only see occasionally. But certainly I expected pitch counts and lots of limits and rapid onsets of fatigue followed by reduced effectiveness this season…

 

He's basically pitching like Houck.

1st time through the order: 1.47 ERA, 596 OPSa

2nd time through the order: 3.18 ERA, 831 OPSa

3rd time through the order: 7.20 ERA, 820 OPSa

 

Previously, his 2nd and 3rd times through the order looked more like the 1st.

[mvp 78]

How about a “Casas to 1b, Dalbec to DH” set up for 2023, possibly mid-2022 depending on JD’s health and/or production?

 

I'm fine with it. I think Casas is called up during 2022. Maybe they trade JD at the deadline?

[moonslav59]

Does anybody have any evidence on how valuable a player who puts the ball in play 50 more times than another is worth?

 

100 times more?

 

Does it offset 4 or 5 more DP's over a full season?

 

I'd do the research, if I knew where to look. I'm open to persuasion.

[mvp 78]

... yup, time to "find the fence" -- the fundamental taught to pre-teen players on perimeter balls in the air: sprint to the fence, brace with bare hand, look up to find the ball, then push off or push up accordingly.

 

Not sure they do fundamentals anymore.

[moonslav59]

I'm fine with it. I think Casas is called up during 2022. Maybe they trade JD at the deadline?

 

I'm really trending hard towards trading JD for the best we can get, even if we have to pay $7-9M, which I doubt we'd have to.

 

Bringing Schwarber back or using Dalbec/Devers at DH and 3B has a lot of merit, assuming Casas can be a plus in MLB, next year.

[mvp 78]

Does anybody have any evidence on how valuable a player who puts the ball in play 50 more times than another is worth?

 

100 times more?

 

Does it offset 4 or 5 more DP's over a full season?

 

I'd do the research, if I knew where to look. I'm open to persuasion.

 

Considering a BABIP of 300, 50 additional balls in play would be 15 extra hits. I'd say that cancels out a theoretical increase in double plays.

[moonslav59]

... yup, time to "find the fence" -- the fundamental taught to pre-teen players on perimeter balls in the air: sprint to the fence, brace with bare hand, look up to find the ball, then push off or push up accordingly.

 

This one area that kills me to watch.

 

Mike Greenwell never learned this.

[moonslav59]

Considering a BABIP of 300, 50 additional balls in play would be 15 extra hits. I'd say that cancels out a theoretical increase in double plays.

 

No. My point was I don't care about K's, if the other numbers are fine (or equal to someone who K's less and hits into more DPs.)

 

Of course I'll take a guy with better OPS and less K's over a high K guy with a lower OPS and OBP.

[Bellhorn04]

He's basically pitching like Houck.

1st time through the order: 1.47 ERA, 596 OPSa

2nd time through the order: 3.18 ERA, 831 OPSa

3rd time through the order: 7.20 ERA, 820 OPSa

 

Previously, his 2nd and 3rd times through the order looked more like the 1st.

 

With Sale there's a fatigue factor (I hope).

[Bellhorn04]

Considering a BABIP of 300, 50 additional balls in play would be 15 extra hits. I'd say that cancels out a theoretical increase in double plays.

 

Balls in play also generate 'official' errors and stuff.

[Nick]

Are we a better team with

 

$30M Devers, Dalbec and Casas or

$30M Ace, Dalbec and Casas?

[Nick]

I sure would be tempted to give Scherzer whatever he wants.....

[Bellhorn04]

Are we a better team with

 

$30M Devers, Dalbec and Casas or

$30M Ace, Dalbec and Casas?

 

Nobody knows, frankly.

 

Because that $30 million Ace might be the next David Price rather than the next Max Scherzer, for one thing.

[Bellhorn04]

I sure would be tempted to give Scherzer whatever he wants.....

 

The Dodgers will look after that.

[notin]

I sure would be tempted to give Scherzer whatever he wants.....

 

Scherzer is 37 and his future as an ace is very likely much shorter than any contract he wants…

[mvp 78]

With Sale there's a fatigue factor (I hope).

 

I think we all hope that. Hard to really say when he can follow up the Mountcastle HR with faster pitches than I've seen all year.

[mvp 78]

The Dodgers will look after that.

 

They can have him. I want Stroman.

[mvp 78]

Nobody knows, frankly.

 

Because that $30 million Ace might be the next David Price rather than the next Max Scherzer, for one thing.

 

Why are we paying Devers 30M?

[mvp 78]

Balls in play also generate 'official' errors and stuff.

 

Yes. Plus moving the runners over and all that jazz.

 

All I said was I'd like the ball put in play more. Don't know why I have to scrounge the dark corners of baseball internet to prove this statement to anyone.

[moonslav59]

Scherzer is 37 and his future as an ace is very likely much shorter than any contract he wants…

 

The shorter contract is what might be most appealing to Bloom & Henry.

 

I like Stroman and Gausman, but they do not seem like the types I'd give 5+ years to.

[moonslav59]

Yes. Plus moving the runners over and all that jazz.

 

All I said was I'd like the ball put in play more. Don't know why I have to scrounge the dark corners of baseball internet to prove this statement to anyone.

 

I'm not saying it has no value. Of course it does.

 

But, we are talking about 50-60 more balls put into play vs a K, and maybe 3-6 of those might be DPs based on Dalbec's incredibly low GIDP numbers.

 

Yes, force an error or two, move a few runners over- maybe some score.

 

I'm just saying any net gain is likely very slight, and if OBP and OPS are even, I barely care about that difference and do wonder if it even is a net gain over the extra DPs.

 

If it's Dalbec vs JD, I'll take 150 more Ks over 20 more DP's

[notin]

The shorter contract is what might be most appealing to Bloom & Henry.

 

I like Stroman and Gausman, but they do not seem like the types I'd give 5+ years to.

 

But at 37, it’s actually quite possible Scherzer doesn’t even fill the void left by Martin Perez…

[mvp 78]

I'm not saying it has no value. Of course it does.

 

But, we are talking about 50-60 more balls put into play vs a K, and maybe 3-6 of those might be DPs based on Dalbec's incredibly low GIDP numbers.

 

Yes, force an error or two, move a few runners over- maybe some score.

 

I'm just saying any net gain is likely very slight, and if OBP and OPS are even, I barely care about that difference and do wonder if it even is a net gain over the extra DPs.

 

If it's Dalbec vs JD, I'll take 150 more Ks over 20 more DP's

 

I'm sorry you barely care about the difference. I do.

[notin]

Arguing over the benefits of strikeouts vs GIDPs is like arguing the benefits of a fatal stab wound vs those of a fatal gunshot…

[Maxbialystock]

Arguing over the benefits of strikeouts vs GIDPs is like arguing the benefits of a fatal stab wound vs those of a fatal gunshot…

 

I think arguing about hitting is silly when this team's obvious problem is with its pitching.