A Realistic View at 2021: Part III

[mvp 78]

A-digging I must go.

 

I believe you, I'm just not remembering it. I'm sure everyone has been mentioned is some sort of trade scenario.

 

Tanner Houck for Jazz Chisholm works per BTV.

 

BTV undervalues Whitlock, can't trade him.

[mvp 78]

Why do you think what I think determines how a season ends?

 

Why did you think like you felt like you wanted to ruin a season?

[moonslav59]

Why did you think like you felt like you wanted to ruin a season?

 

Why do you feel I felt like I wanted to ruin a season?

 

I have been one of the true believers for longer than almost everyone else, this year.

 

I have confidence we can advance to the next level of the playoffs.

 

My views on what I think Sox managers should do mean nothing to the actual results.

[mvp 78]

Why do you feel I felt like I wanted to ruin a season?

 

I have been one of the true believers for longer than almost everyone else, this year.

 

I have confidence we can advance to the next level of the playoffs.

 

My views on what I think Sox managers should do mean nothing to the actual results.

 

1. You have stated that it was the right move to leave Pedro in. Pedro gave it up in a decisive game.

2. You have stated that it would have been the right move to leave in Eovaldi. Eovaldi would have given it up.

[moonslav59]

1. You have stated that it was the right move to leave Pedro in. Pedro gave it up in a decisive game.

2. You have stated that it would have been the right move to leave in Eovaldi. Eovaldi would have given it up.

 

I never stated either of those things.

 

I gave my opinion on what I would have done.

 

We don't know what would have happened had they not taken out Pedro or had they left in Eovaldi.

 

They got a bloop hit off Pedro and a near HR and base-running blunder off Brasier. Who knows what happens otherwise? You?

 

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I never stated either of those things.

 

I gave my opinion on what I would have done.

 

We don't know what would have happened had they not taken out Pedro or had they left in Eovaldi.

 

They got a bloop hit off Pedro and a near HR and base-running blunder off Brasier. Who knows what happens otherwise? You?

 

 

 

Again I find myself agreeing with you. I would have left Evoldin in. Brasier nearly gave it all back.

[moonslav59]

Again I find myself agreeing with you. I would have left Evoldin in. Brasier nearly gave it all back.

 

I never pretend my opinion is better than the manager, nor do I see it as a criticism, for that very reason.

 

Cora is a great manager and knows a hell of a lot more than I do, and even if I had access to all his information, I'd still be worse than he is.

[dgalehouse]

I do think taking Eovaldi out was a little puzzling. But as they say , " All's well that ends well."

[moonslav59]

One side affect of yanking Eovaldi early is that maybe he can go longer in his next start or be used in relief, too.

 

I’m sure even Cora would admit he has made several mistakes, this year, but in my opinion he has made less than maybe every other MLB manager.

 

I’ve scratched my head a few times and vocalized some differences, but I’ve always felt he’s been our best or second best manager, since I’ve paid any attention (post Dick Williams.)

[MADSTORK]

One side affect of yanking Eovaldi early is that maybe he can go longer in his next start or be used in relief, too.

 

I’m sure even Cora would admit he has made several mistakes, this year, but in my opinion he has made less than maybe every other MLB manager.

 

I’ve scratched my head a few times and vocalized some differences, but I’ve always felt he’s been our best or second best manager, since I’ve paid any attention (post Dick Williams.)

 

Best? LOL I guess you missed the Francona era

[moonslav59]

Best? LOL I guess you missed the Francona era

 

Did you miss the second best part or just trolling again?

[Maxbialystock]

One side affect of yanking Eovaldi early is that maybe he can go longer in his next start or be used in relief, too.

 

I’m sure even Cora would admit he has made several mistakes, this year, but in my opinion he has made less than maybe every other MLB manager.

 

I’ve scratched my head a few times and vocalized some differences, but I’ve always felt he’s been our best or second best manager, since I’ve paid any attention (post Dick Williams.)

 

Good grief. Finally, finally last night Cora had a real bullpen he could call on, and you didn't want him to use it? After the game even Eovaldi, who wanted to stay in the game, recognized the danger of going through the Yankees lineup for the 3d time. Rizzo was the Yankees leadoff batter who grounded out and K'd in his first two at bats. Third time--in the sixth inning--he led off with a dinger.

 

No question Stanton hammered Brasier in the 6th, but he also hammered Eovaldi in the 1st and Whitlock in the 9th.

[moonslav59]

Good grief. Finally, finally last night Cora had a real bullpen he could call on, and you didn't want him to use it? After the game even Eovaldi, who wanted to stay in the game, recognized the danger of going through the Yankees lineup for the 3d time. Rizzo was the Yankees leadoff batter who grounded out and K'd in his first two at bats. Third time--in the sixth inning--he led off with a dinger.

 

No question Stanton hammered Brasier in the 6th, but he also hammered Eovaldi in the 1st and Whitlock in the 9th.

 

We didn’t know the pen would do great until they did it.

 

I’m happy with Cora’s decisions, even the ones I disagree with.

Edited October 7, 2021 by moonslav59

[Maxbialystock]

Best? LOL I guess you missed the Francona era

 

Francona was good, but he also had some good players, hitters and pitchers. He never came close to 108 wins in the regular season, and he got fired in 2011 because of the Sox total collapse in September and the discovery that pitchers were drinking beer in the clubhouse during games.

[Elktonnick]

I do think taking Eovaldi out was a little puzzling. But as they say , " All's well that ends well."

 

Actually I found Cora's taking out Eovaldi when he did totally predictable and consistent with the way he has been managing virtually all year. Third time through the order, a reasonably well rested bullpen, Whitlock back etc. I would have been surprised if he hadn't pulled him when he did.

[Maxbialystock]

1. You have stated that it was the right move to leave Pedro in. Pedro gave it up in a decisive game.

2. You have stated that it would have been the right move to leave in Eovaldi. Eovaldi would have given it up.

 

I disagree Eovaldi would have given it up, but I also agree with Cora's decision. Third time through the Yankees lineup ain't easy.

 

Dodgers' Turner just GIDP'd with the bases loaded and 1 out. Wainwright must be living right.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I know. Cora has a way of doing things that make us fans and armchair managers nutty, and they usually work out pretty well.

 

He is a ballsy fellow.

 

Boy ain't that the truth. I couldn't understand pulling Evoldi, he was dealing and had a low pitch count after an infield hit and the HR for Brasier. It worked out but still didn't make sense to me.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Boy ain't that the truth. I couldn't understand pulling Evoldi' date=' he was dealing and had a low pitch count after an infield hit and the HR for Brasier. It worked out but still didn't make sense to me.[/quote']

 

I just wanted another inning out of Houck, who was dealing. My worries jibe with Dewey's in the game thread, when he cautioned that the more relievers you use, the better the chance that one won't be "on" and the whole plan explodes. Viewers of MLB highlights see at least one of these lowlights every single night of the season.

[Bellhorn04]

I just wanted another inning out of Houck, who was dealing. My worries jibe with Dewey's in the game thread, when he cautioned that the more relievers you use, the better the chance that one won't be "on" and the whole plan explodes. Viewers of MLB highlights see at least one of these lowlights every single night of the season.

 

And we've also seen plenty of examples of guys who were dealing one minute and not dealing the next. It's just the nature of the game.

 

I think part of this is that Cora probably let Houck know before the game he was likely going to pitch one inning. Houck therefore is focused on getting 3 outs and goes all out trying to do so, with no thoughts of holding anything back to pitch a second inning.

 

We can debate stuff like this all day (and we do), but the bottom line is that Cora is the guy who has to make the calls and live and die with them.

[mvp 78]

And we've also seen plenty of examples of guys who were dealing one minute and not dealing the next. It's just the nature of the game.

 

I think part of this is that Cora probably let Houck know before the game he was likely going to pitch one inning. Houck therefore is focused on getting 3 outs and goes all out trying to do so, with no thoughts of holding anything back to pitch a second inning.

 

We can debate stuff like this all day (and we do), but the bottom line is that Cora is the guy who has to make the calls and live and die with them.

 

And he won, so I don't know why people are bickering about it.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I don't think people are bickering, just offering our opinion. But Alex Cora is the best manager I have seen in my lifetime with Terry a very close 2nd, I'm not old enough to evaluate Dick Williams. What he did this year after what we saw last season, was remarkable and I'm very very happy he is our manager. Now if we could just get Theo back, but I know that won't happen.

[moonslav59]

I don't think people are bickering' date=' just offering our opinion. But Alex Cora is the best manager I have seen in my lifetime with Terry a very close 2nd, I'm not old enough to evaluate Dick Williams. What he did this year after what we saw last season, was remarkable and I'm very very happy he is our manager. Now if we could just get Theo back, but I know that won't happen.[/quote']

 

I feel the same, but I won't argue with Tito lovers. (Not that I did not love Tito, too>)

[vegasbob]

Tito's team broke the 86 year "curse" in '04, then repeated in 2007. Untouchable record

Farrell, much maligned, had his team add another in 2013

Cora's 2018 team posted the all-time Red Sox win record and got a 4th ring in a 14 year period .

 

Given the clueless dumbasses preceeding these guys, except Dick Williams , we have been well led in the 2000's.

[mvp 78]

Tito's team broke the 86 year "curse" in '04, then repeated in 2007. Untouchable record

Farrell, much maligned, had his team add another in 2013

Cora's 2018 team posted the all-time Red Sox win record and got a 4th ring in a 14 year period .

 

Given the clueless dumbasses preceeding these guys, except Dick Williams , we have been well led in the 2000's.

 

This is Jimy Williams erasure.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We can debate stuff like this all day (and we do), but the bottom line is that Cora is the guy who has to make the calls and live and die with them.

 

I just heard AJ Hinch talking about this topic on MLB radio. His point was that whenever a manager's decision fails, all second-guessers assume that the alternative would have succeeded -- and not only is that impossible to know for sure, but unlikely to happen based on the info driving the change... which is why it was made in the first place.

 

Hinch mentioned the smartest in-game managers as Cash, Counsell, "and AC up in Boston."

[dgalehouse]

I just wanted another inning out of Houck, who was dealing. My worries jibe with Dewey's in the game thread, when he cautioned that the more relievers you use, the better the chance that one won't be "on" and the whole plan explodes. Viewers of MLB highlights see at least one of these lowlights every single night of the season.

The bottom line is the one that counts. In this case , the bottom line was a victory. The smart second guesser only questions the moves that don't pan out.

[mvp 78]

I just heard AJ Hinch talking about this topic on MLB radio. His point was that whenever a manager's decision fails, all second-guessers assume that the alternative would have succeeded -- and not only is that impossible to know for sure, but unlikely to happen based on the info driving the change... which is why it was made in the first place.

 

Hinch mentioned the smartest in-game managers as Cash, Counsell, "and AC up in Boston."

 

What a lie. There's virtually no AC in Boston.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What a lie. There's virtually no AC in Boston.

 

No fans either (according to football-only talk shows). We crack us up.

[moonslav59]

Good statement game.

 

Looks like we'll need to wait for 2022 for Sale to be counted on, again.

 

Kike was a great pick-up by Bloom.

 

I hope JD has convinced the non believers, he's no slouch.

 

Verdugo is possessed.

 

Devers looks okay, after seemingly getting hurt or whatever that was, yesterday.

 

The pen was magical. Gotta wonder, if we keep Houck in this role or just start the kid.

 

Eovaldi at home for game 3. Things looking up, now.

[a700hitter]

Good statement game.

 

Looks like we'll need to wait for 2022 for Sale to be counted on, again.

 

Kike was a great pick-up by Bloom.

 

I hope JD has convinced the non believers, he's no slouch.

 

Verdugo is possessed.

 

Devers looks okay, after seemingly getting hurt or whatever that was, yesterday.

 

The pen was magical. Gotta wonder, if we keep Houck in this role or just start the kid.

 

Eovaldi at home for game 3. Things looking up, now.

Devers bottom hand coming off the bat has been going on for a while, not just game 1. Game 1 was more prounced, but he can still hit. It only happens on a swing and miss.