What does Frenchy have on the Red Sox

[moonslav59]

People also thought Xander wasn't SS long term.

 

Some still don't.

[jad]

I think Cordero could hit 400 in AAA.

 

Let's just hope he gets 400 at bats there, so he won't have to have any here.

[moonslav59]

Let's just hope he gets 400 at bats there, so he won't have to have any here.

 

If he does well in 150-300 at AAA, and we have a need in the OF, he'll get another look-see.

[notin]

If he does well in 150-300 at AAA, and we have a need in the OF, he'll get another look-see.

 

Even if duran comes up and works out.

 

Cordero/Renfroe in LF, Duran in CF and Verdugo in Rf might be the best possible OF given the current players available, assuming Duran does not disappoint...

[moonslav59]

Even if duran comes up and works out.

 

Cordero/Renfroe in LF, Duran in CF and Verdugo in Rf might be the best possible OF given the current players available, assuming Duran does not disappoint...

 

Exactly.

 

We really don't want Renfroe playing FT, especially against every RHP.

 

We may end up using Kike in the OF, instead of Cordero/Renfroe, but that's assuming Arroyo does not disappoint going forward...

[mvp 78]

Even if duran comes up and works out.

 

Cordero/Renfroe in LF, Duran in CF and Verdugo in Rf might be the best possible OF given the current players available, assuming Duran does not disappoint...

 

I guess, but Duran's defense is really behind right now. They'd probably have Renfroe/Cordero in RF and Verdugo in CF.

[moonslav59]

I guess, but Duran's defense is really behind right now. They'd probably have Renfroe/Cordero in RF and Verdugo in CF.

 

But, Duran is not playing LF at AAA, so even more time will be needed, if that is the plan.

[moonslav59]

I still think will be the most common OF alignment:

 

LF: Verdugo/ Cordero or Santana/Marwin

CF: Kike

RF: Verdugo/ Renfroe

 

This assumes Arroyo is healthy and doing well at 2B.

[Nick]

It should be noted that Bloom thinks Durran has chance to be great as a center fielder. Bloom is the head of baseball operations. Edited May 13, 2021 by Nick

[moonslav59]

It should be noted that Bloom thinks Durran has chance to be great as a center fielder. Bloom is the head of baseball operations.

 

He most likely does. Sometimes, they say things to help with confidence or trade value.

 

I believe he is really high on Duran, but we don't know when he will think he's ML ready.

 

That's the big unknown, right now.

 

It could just be days, as he wants him to play a few games before being called up, or it might be something major he wants him to work through before a call-up.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I guess, but Duran's defense is really behind right now. They'd probably have Renfroe/Cordero in RF and Verdugo in CF.

 

To me, Cordero's defense is as suspect as his offense. JD may be clunky, but Franchy at best is funky.

 

This may be dinosaur-speak, but some modern players just aren't good at fundamentals from Day One of their MLB careers (partly from not playing sun-up to sundown all summer like kids once did). When guys used to make the majors, they all seemed prepared with at least adequate baseball skills. It's not always true any more for every aspect.

 

You may not be a Josh Reddick guy, but when he got called up at age 22, maybe he wasn't an instant batting star, but he could immediately run down a ball in the outfield and hit the cutoff with authority. Same with Brady Anderson, at what, age 24.

[Larry Cook]

Cordero’s confidence looks shot! Even as he steps to the plate, he looks completely clueless!

 

Wouldn’t Santana be a better option for us?

[moonslav59]

Cordero’s confidence looks shot! Even as he steps to the plate, he looks completely clueless!

 

Wouldn’t Santana be a better option for us?

 

He hasn’t played enough recently to be ready to step into action. Maybe soon.

[oldtimer]

He most likely does. Sometimes, they say things to help with confidence or trade value.

 

I believe he is really high on Duran, but we don't know when he will think he's ML ready.

 

That's the big unknown, right now.

 

It could just be days, as he wants him to play a few games before being called up, or it might be something major he wants him to work through before a call-up.

 

Maybe there are other reasons that they are reluctant to bring Duran up. Years of control or something like that. Trying Duran now instead of sticking with a very unproductive Cordero appears to be a no brainer and I don't buy the stated excuses for not doing it.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe there are other reasons that they are reluctant to bring Duran up. Years of control or something like that. Trying Duran now instead of sticking with a very unproductive Cordero appears to be a no brainer and I don't buy the stated excuses for not doing it.

 

When you see JD Martinez out there in left instead of Franchy, you know Franchy's days with the big club are down to a small number.

[moonslav59]

Maybe there are other reasons that they are reluctant to bring Duran up. Years of control or something like that. Trying Duran now instead of sticking with a very unproductive Cordero appears to be a no brainer and I don't buy the stated excuses for not doing it.[/b]

 

There are way more Thant 2 choices.

[notin]

There are way more Thant 2 choices.

 

Cordero has had 87 plate appearnces. Jackie Bradley floundered for 2 years and 530 PA with an OPS+ of 53 and still got chances...

[Bellhorn04]

Cordero has had 87 plate appearnces. Jackie Bradley floundered for 2 years and 530 PA with an OPS+ of 53 and still got chances...

 

With much better defense though.

[jacksonianmarch]

No sense in moving Duran up. When Kike comes back, you’ve got your CFer. Renfroe hitting takes LF. Marwin to 2b with Arroyo once he’s healthy and Verdugo in RF. Marwin also backs up the COF spots. Durran isn’t seeing the field unless someone goes down for the season

[notin]

With much better defense though.

 

And yet fans still called for his removal the whole time...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And yet fans still called for his removal the whole time...

 

Some did, while some appreciated his one specialty, which was at the top of his industry. Like Remy says, baseball is hard; it's hard to do just one thing well. At least Jackie Bradley was a baseball player, and not just a super-strong, super-fast athlete that some front offices hope will learn hardball in the big leagues. JBJ was accomplished coming out of college -- when he first roomed with Betts, Mookie recognized Jackie as the famous one, and not the other way around.

[notin]

Some did, while some appreciated his one specialty, which was at the top of his industry. Like Remy says, baseball is hard; it's hard to do just one thing well. At least Jackie Bradley was a baseball player, and not just a super-strong, super-fast athlete that some front offices hope will learn hardball in the big leagues. JBJ was accomplished coming out of college -- when he first roomed with Betts, Mookie recognized Jackie as the famous one, and not the other way around.

 

Using message boards as a representative sample, most called for him gone based on his hitting, which took a long time to come around. My expectations dropped and frequently called him “the next Darren Lewis”, a player I always felt was unappreciated because he was primarily a defensive player. But then many people didn’t like Darren Lewis because, well, he was primarily a defensive player.

 

Cordero isn’t playing GG defense, but even if he was, many would still want him replaced. If he was OPSing 1.200 and playing Dwayne Hosey defense out there, plenty of people would be defending him, assuming the issue came up at all. Heck, some people project elite defense on mediocre to bad fielders if they are elite hitters who make routine plays most of the time. This happened to Bogaerts on this board just last week...

[notin]

No sense in moving Duran up. When Kike comes back, you’ve got your CFer. Renfroe hitting takes LF. Marwin to 2b with Arroyo once he’s healthy and Verdugo in RF. Marwin also backs up the COF spots. Durran isn’t seeing the field unless someone goes down for the season

 

Duran is very likely behind the injured players on the depth chart. When Hernandez and Arroyo return, Arauz and perhaps Cordero might be the ones demoted...

[dgalehouse]

Patience is in short supply around here. But it doesn't take much to turn people's opinions around. On TalkSox , players are reevaluated after every game. Sometimes after every at bat.

[notin]

Some did, while some appreciated his one specialty, which was at the top of his industry. Like Remy says, baseball is hard; it's hard to do just one thing well. At least Jackie Bradley was a baseball player, and not just a super-strong, super-fast athlete that some front offices hope will learn hardball in the big leagues. JBJ was accomplished coming out of college -- when he first roomed with Betts, Mookie recognized Jackie as the famous one, and not the other way around.

 

And being appreciated by Mookie and Remy isn’t even remotely the same as being appreciated by casual fans and diehard fans, and even many advanced metric types.

 

If you poke around about Cordero, you can find he was also very much appreciated by scouts and MLB people for a long time for his defensive play and his offensive tools. But that hasn’t stopped anyone from being disappointed with him this year. Including you, who has called me out for reminding people that the guy has had better numbers before and at the MLB level. It’s not exactly fair to give players like Bradley credit for collegiate performance but disregard anything Cordero did in MLB just because it wasn’t in Boston...

[Bellhorn04]

And yet fans still called for his removal the whole time...

 

Of course. A lot of fans are instant gratification junkies.

[notin]

Of course. A lot of fans are instant gratification junkies.

 

Immediate and consistent. It seems like one 0 for 12 stretch and too many demand you get traded....

[moonslav59]

The issue is that many people think that what you have done in the last few short games is somehow predictive of what is to be expected. Some even look back to just your last one game sample size to determine that players next game usage.

[notin]

Of course. A lot of fans are instant gratification junkies.

 

Probably worth mentioning that this happens even from those of us who hate the practice. My own repeated calling for Taylor’s demotion does appear to have been premature...

[moonslav59]

Probably worth mentioning that this happens even from those of us who hate the practice. My own repeated calling for Taylor’s demotion does appear to have been premature...

 

I felt the same way. Taylor had a good season a couple years back, and might have just needed time to regain his old form, but I still have my doubts about using him in high leverage situations going forward.

 

We don’t have many in -system choices that jump out at us to be called up, so it looks like we may be stuck with what we have until Brasier, Houck, Seabold and Sale return or the deadline.

 

I actually like the chances that 1 or 2 of the following pitchers will grow into a solid set up man:

 

Sawamura

Andriese

Hernandez

Valdez

Bazardo

Brasier

Taylor

 

I still have no faith in Brice.