What does Frenchy have on the Red Sox

[papajoe222]

There has to be a reason the Red Sox keep playing this guy. I'm guessing he has some dirt on the front office or something. The guy can't hit his weight and his fielding is just average. I can think of three guys off the top of my head they could call up that would be more beneficial to the club than he is. Take away the two hits he had in that Tigers game (who didn't) and he is Ofer the last three weeks!

[jacksonianmarch]

So nice you had to post it twice?

[papajoe222]

So nice you had to post it twice?

 

LOLK, couldn't figure out how to delete one.

[illinoisredsox]

LOLK, couldn't figure out how to delete one.

 

It’s a really laborious process. Open the post you want to delete, hit the Edit button at the bottom, then when the next window opens, check the Delete Post box and hit the Delete button.

[Maxbialystock]

Somebody already used the same line about Franchy (note spelling) Cordero. He's awful this year (OPS .412), but his career OPS was over .700 before this year.

 

This thread is so lame.

[Bellhorn04]

The one questionable thing Chaim did this offseason was replacing Beni with Cordero.

[moonslav59]

The one questionable thing Chaim did this offseason was replacing Beni with Cordero.

 

It's still early, and Cordero was just one part of the deal.

 

The $2+M saved may come in handy at the deadline.

Winckowski

3 PTBNLs

 

Let's wait and see the final numbers on Beni. (I'm not sure I wanna wait on Franchy's final numbers, unless I'm looking at his AAA ones.)

[Bellhorn04]

It's still early, and Cordero was just one part of the deal.

 

The $2+M saved may come in handy at the deadline.

Winckowski

3 PTBNLs

 

Let's wait and see the final numbers on Beni. (I'm not sure I wanna wait on Franchy's final numbers, unless I'm looking at his AAA ones.)

 

All I'm saying is this move left us a little shorthanded in the outfield. The trade itself may be fine, but maybe should have picked up another outfielder.

[mvp 78]

What he has is no viable replacement as of 5/12/21. Bloom took a risk that he could use bandaids to fix the OF depth. Unfortunately, it hasn't really worked out. The only really productive hitter in the OF has been Verdugo, which was kind of expected. Many of us wondered what the plan was in the offseason. This team would look much better if it also had Pillar out there.

[mvp 78]

All I'm saying is this move left us a little shorthanded in the outfield. The trade itself may be fine, but maybe should have picked up another outfielder.

 

100%

[moonslav59]

All I'm saying is this move left us a little shorthanded in the outfield. The trade itself may be fine, but maybe should have picked up another outfielder.

 

Cordero was supposed to be an Outfielder.

[notin]

The one questionable thing Chaim did this offseason was replacing Beni with Cordero.

 

Of course some of that has to do with who the PTBNL's are. The Royals and the Mets have likely both submitted lists for the Sox to choose from, and Bloom is waiting to see who does well in the beginnings of the minor laeague season, which is probably a big factor as there was no minor league season last year to allow for any evaluation. The swapping of Cordero for Beni might have been influenced by the extra year of control on Cordero, as maybe being competitive in a year without Sale was an unexpected thing.

 

Both teams should be completing this deal by August 10 when we see who the PTBNL's are.

 

Right now it looks bad because the Sox are winning with the downgrade in LF. So right now the trade looks bad because the Sox are winning games. I'm not so sure this was an expected result, at least not this season. So this trade looks frustrating because the Sox are actually good...

[notin]

All I'm saying is this move left us a little shorthanded in the outfield. The trade itself may be fine, but maybe should have picked up another outfielder.

 

Yes the 40 man roster ad the minor league system in general is pretty weak in the OF. Marcus Wilson remains the one of two OF on the 40 man roster, and he is DFA material. Duran is the only viable OF in the system above A ball.

 

Of course, the Sox did address the OF depth in other ways - Hernandez, Gonzalez, and eventually Danny Santana. Right now, two of those three are hurt and the third is subbing for another injured player (Arroyo)...

Edited May 12, 2021 by notin

[Bellhorn04]

Of course some of that has to do with who the PTBNL's are. The Royals and the Mets have likely both submitted lists for the Sox to choose from, and Bloom is waiting to see who does well in the beginnings of the minor laeague season, which is probably a big factor as there was no minor league season last year to allow for any evaluation. The swapping of Cordero for Beni might have been influenced by the extra year of control on Cordero, as maybe being competitive in a year without Sale was an unexpected thing.

 

Both teams should be completing this deal by August 10 when we see who the PTBNL's are.

 

Right now it looks bad because the Sox are winning with the downgrade in LF. So right now the trade looks bad because the Sox are winning games. I'm not so sure this was an expected result, at least not this season. So this trade looks frustrating because the Sox are actually good...

 

But as you have pointed out a few times, we still have one of the highest payrolls. And Bloom did spend enough this offseason to get us within a few million of the tax threshold.

 

So I think it's fair to say the team was trying to do what they said, which was to field a competitive team.

[notin]

But as you have pointed out a few times, we still have one of the highest payrolls. And Bloom did spend enough this offseason to get us within a few million of the tax threshold.

 

So I think it's fair to say the team was trying to do what they said, which was to field a competitive team.

 

Yes, and the payroll was largely inherited.

 

Sure he was probably trying to build a competitive team, but within some constraints, like not being competitive short term in a way that hampers future seasons.

 

And while Bloom did spend, the short contracts given to Hernandez and Richards are certainly not on par with some of the spending sprees we have seen GMs go on in the past...

[mvp 78]

Of course some of that has to do with who the PTBNL's are. The Royals and the Mets have likely both submitted lists for the Sox to choose from, and Bloom is waiting to see who does well in the beginnings of the minor laeague season, which is probably a big factor as there was no minor league season last year to allow for any evaluation. The swapping of Cordero for Beni might have been influenced by the extra year of control on Cordero, as maybe being competitive in a year without Sale was an unexpected thing.

 

Both teams should be completing this deal by August 10 when we see who the PTBNL's are.

 

Right now it looks bad because the Sox are winning with the downgrade in LF. So right now the trade looks bad because the Sox are winning games. I'm not so sure this was an expected result, at least not this season. So this trade looks frustrating because the Sox are actually good...

 

Bloom hinted that it may be sooner than later once the season gets up and running. Hard to trade for players who haven't been scouted since 2019.

[mvp 78]

Yes, and the payroll was largely inherited.

 

Sure he was probably trying to build a competitive team, but within some constraints, like not being competitive short term in a way that hampers future seasons.

 

And while Bloom did spend, the short contracts given to Hernandez and Richards are certainly not on par with some of the spending sprees we have seen GMs go on in the past...

 

There were cheaper options still available towards the end of Spring Training. It still doesn't make sense to me that they didn't bring in a guy like Pillar. Relying on full time production from Cordero was a pipe dream.

 

My guess is they were hoping to be a .500 team and that fans would have ignored some of the flaws. Unfortunately, they had early season success and got some people's hopes up.

[moonslav59]

There were cheaper options still available towards the end of Spring Training. It still doesn't make sense to me that they didn't bring in a guy like Pillar. Relying on full time production from Cordero was a pipe dream.

 

My guess is they were hoping to be a .500 team and that fans would have ignored some of the flaws. Unfortunately, they had early season success and got some people's hopes up.

 

I think the figured they had Kike, Marwin and eventually Duran.

 

With Kike out, we lost one.

With Arroyo out and Marwin (not Chavis) at 2B, we lose the second one.

With Dalbec struggling, Chavis might be better used at 1B not 2B.

 

BTW, Pillar got off to a slow start, but he's up to .669, now.

[mvp 78]

I think the figured they had Kike, Marwin and eventually Duran.

 

With Kike out, we lost one.

With Arroyo out and Marwin (not Chavis) at 2B, we lose the second one.

With Dalbec struggling, Chavis might be better used at 1B not 2B.

 

BTW, Pillar got off to a slow start, but he's up to .669, now.

 

They intentionally went with a short bench. Surprise surprise, there were injuries and now they are scrambling. There were cheap contracts to be had at the end of the offseason. It would have been smarter to have a guy like Pillar sitting on your bench than Valdez in the pen not pitching for 2 weeks or Brice stinking up the joint.

 

Cordero had options. There's no reason they should have forced him onto the opening day roster. They needed a better plan.

[notin]

Bloom hinted that it may be sooner than later once the season gets up and running. Hard to trade for players who haven't been scouted since 2019.

 

Ok.

 

The bottom line looks like since many of them had taken an unexpected hiatus, the Sox opted for PTBNLs to get more time to evaluate a few players from each system.

 

I’m sticking with my prediction that the PTBNL from the Mets will be 2020 second rounder RHP JT Ginn out of Mississippi State, although he is currently injured and has not pitched yet this year. That will have to change if I am ever going to be correct...

[moonslav59]

They intentionally went with a short bench. Surprise surprise, there were injuries and now they are scrambling. There were cheap contracts to be had at the end of the offseason. It would have been smarter to have a guy like Pillar sitting on your bench than Valdez in the pen not pitching for 2 weeks or Brice stinking up the joint.

 

Cordero had options. There's no reason they should have forced him onto the opening day roster. They needed a better plan.

 

I don't disagree. All winter I was screaming for a simple Marisnick signing. He's a good defender in CF and is hitting .967 since the start of 2020 and .761 from 2019-2021.

[notin]

They intentionally went with a short bench. Surprise surprise, there were injuries and now they are scrambling. There were cheap contracts to be had at the end of the offseason. It would have been smarter to have a guy like Pillar sitting on your bench than Valdez in the pen not pitching for 2 weeks or Brice stinking up the joint.

 

Cordero had options. There's no reason they should have forced him onto the opening day roster. They needed a better plan.

 

Having him on the opening day roster isn’t the issue. Keeping him there for 7 weeks is the issue. But right now, injuries to Hernandez, Santana and Arroyo have limited things.

 

They could have given Chavis more time in the OF, but Chavis’ career numbers aren’t much better than Cordero’s. Would we be happier if he was out there struggling similarly? They also could have brought in a stopgap LF, like Eddie Rosario. And while he is better than Cordero, he isn’t killing it either (79 OPS+). And if he had gone down with injury like Santana/Hernandez/etc., the Sox would still be in this position...

[notin]

I don't disagree. All winter I was screaming for a simple Marisnick signing. He's a good defender in CF and is hitting .967 since the start of 2020 and .761 from 2019-2021.

 

Marisnick has a great glove, but offensively he was just as big of a question mark. The guy has one season with an OPS+ over 100 (with more than 60 PAs) and it took stealing signs to get him there.

 

With Cora and Gonzalez on board, maybe the Sox felt a reunion too many of the tainted 2017 Astros might not be the best idea..

[notin]

If Santana never got hurt, would Cordero still be playing in Boston?

[mvp 78]

Having him on the opening day roster isn’t the issue. Keeping him there for 7 weeks is the issue. But right now, injuries to Hernandez, Santana and Arroyo have limited things.

 

They could have given Chavis more time in the OF, but Chavis’ career numbers aren’t much better than Cordero’s. Would we be happier if he was out there struggling similarly? They also could have brought in a stopgap LF, like Eddie Rosario. And while he is better than Cordero, he isn’t killing it either (79 OPS+). And if he had gone down with injury like Santana/Hernandez/etc., the Sox would still be in this position...

 

Santana was injured when they signed him. They painted themselves into a corner.

[mvp 78]

If Santana never got hurt, would Cordero still be playing in Boston?

 

He was injured when they signed him. He was never cleared to play.

[moonslav59]

Santana was injured when they signed him. They painted themselves into a corner.

 

He would have been ready by now, but he got an infection in his foot. That was unforeseen.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your position on the lack of ML ready OF depth. It's such an inexpensive position to fill. Marisnick signed for less than $200K over the minimum wage.

[mvp 78]

He would have been ready by now, but he got an infection in his foot. That was unforeseen.

 

I'm not disagreeing with your position on the lack of ML ready OF depth. It's such an inexpensive position to fill. Marisnick signed for less than $200K over the minimum wage.

 

Offseason acquisitions:

 

Kiké: fine utility guy who has never been a fulltime player

Marwin: underwhelming utility guy

Renfroe: platoon OF who struggled in 2020

Cordero: platoon OF who has an extensive injury history

 

That's quite the patchwork OF. Hard to see how we would have been excited for that plan if shown that last November.

[moonslav59]

Marisnick has a great glove, but offensively he was just as big of a question mark. The guy has one season with an OPS+ over 100 (with more than 60 PAs) and it took stealing signs to get him there.

 

With Cora and Gonzalez on board, maybe the Sox felt a reunion too many of the tainted 2017 Astros might not be the best idea..

 

It was never about his offense. It was about our weak OF defense and just having a late inning defensive replacement would have been nice. His offense has just been gracy.

 

His OPS+ of 93 since that trash can year is not horrific, when you factor in his plus defense and contract cost. His OPS+ is 99 from 2019-2021. No trash cans.

[moonslav59]

Offseason acquisitions:

 

Kiké: fine utility guy who has never been a fulltime player

Marwin: underwhelming utility guy

Renfroe: platoon OF who struggled in 2020

Cordero: platoon OF who has an extensive injury history

 

That's quite the patchwork OF. Hard to see how we would have been excited for that plan if shown that last November.

 

Again, I'm not defending Blooms offseason OF neglect.

 

I did like Kike as a CF'er, and many argued against that idea. He may not be great, but if he was healthy, Cordero is on the bench, right now. Same with Marwin. Same with Santana.

 

It's hard for me to get to worked up over Bloom neglecting to fill a fourth string slot, but I do agree it was a mistake.