A Realistic View at 2021: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

So.... Eovaldi? Assuming he is not on the IL?

 

Yes, and assuming the other team will take him for 2022 as well.

[moonslav59]

So.... Eovaldi? Assuming he is not on the IL?

 

Or, JD.

[Bellhorn04]

Or, JD.

 

Who would also have to be taken for 2022.

[moonslav59]

Who would also have to be taken for 2022.

 

Yes, and we could even pay part of his salary and still cut a lot from the lux tax budget.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So.... Eovaldi? Assuming he is not on the IL?

 

They just need to convince him to retire and be a coach (I'm so funny I forget to make Pedey laugh).

 

It's just a good thing they won't have to pay Betts on the next Red Sox team that's a yearly contender. He'll be in his 30s by then...

 

Age 32 Season:

Clemente...led NL H, BA

Puckett... led AL H, TB

Dawson... led NL HR, RBI, TB

Morgan... led NL OB, SLG, OPS, TB

 

Age 33 Season:

Aaron... led NL R, HR, SLG, TB

Mays... led NL HR, OB, SLG, TB

Biggio... led NL Doubles (56)

 

Age 34 Season:

Molitor... led AL R, H, Triples

B.Williams... led NL BA, SLG, OPS, TB

 

Age 35

Ripken... led MLB G (163)

 

Age 36

Schmidt... led NL HR, RBI, SLG, OPS

 

Age 37

Brett... led AL BA, Doubles

 

Age 38

Jeter... led AL H

 

Age 39 Season:

Henderson... led AL SB, BB

Stargell... NL MVP in Regular Season, NLCS & WS

[moonslav59]

They just need to convince him to retire and be a coach (I'm so funny I forget to make Pedey laugh).

 

It's just a good thing they won't have to pay Betts on the next Red Sox team that's a yearly contender. He'll be in his 30s by then...

 

Age 32 Season:

Clemente...led NL H, BA

Puckett... led AL H, TB

Dawson... led NL HR, RBI, TB

Morgan... led NL OB, SLG, OPS, TB

 

Age 33 Season:

Aaron... led NL R, HR, SLG, TB

Mays... led NL HR, OB, SLG, TB

Biggio... led NL Doubles (56)

 

Age 34 Season:

Molitor... led AL R, H, Triples

B.Williams... led NL BA, SLG, OPS, TB

 

Age 35

Ripken... led MLB G (163)

 

Age 36

Schmidt... led NL HR, RBI, SLG, OPS

 

Age 37

Brett... led AL BA, Doubles

 

Age 38

Jeter... led AL H

 

Age 39 Season:

Henderson... led AL SB, BB

Stargell... NL MVP in Regular Season, NLCS & WS

 

Not many repeat names on this list.

 

That being said, I think Betts will age very well. I would have signed him to 12 years.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, and we could even pay part of his salary and still cut a lot from the lux tax budget.

 

Yay.

[Kimmi]

Another day in Snoreville.

 

Apparently, Bloom likes to make his deals in bunches.

 

As several were saying, he's not finished yet.

[Kimmi]

IMO, our line looks pretty potent.

 

I would still like a defensive minded CFer, but from an offensive standpoint, I'm good!

[moonslav59]

IMO, our line looks pretty potent.

 

I would still like a defensive minded CFer, but from an offensive standpoint, I'm good!

 

Our defense is lacking at many positions- actually all but maybe one position. Our pitching is anywhere between a big question mark and crap.

[jad]

There has been a lot of talk about how very little the Sox have spent in the past 1.5 to 2 years, in terms of new deals and no big deals.

 

I'm just pointing out some needed context.

 

When you are already a top 3 spending team and will still be after the winter moves are made, complaining about not spending enough seems laughable, to me.

 

Sorry. I mis-read your phrase "highest spending budget teams". You meant simply highest spending teams [in terms of budget].

[moonslav59]

Sorry. I mis-read your phrase "highest spending budget teams". You meant simply highest spending teams [in terms of budget].

 

Yes, and as much as people are complaining about not spending a lot, this winter, we've actually spent more this winter than most teams.

 

Can I ask you something?

 

Doesn't it suck being a top 3 spending team and sucking, while having a below average farm, at best?

[Nick]

Yes, and as much as people are complaining about not spending a lot, this winter, we've actually spent more this winter than most teams.

 

Can I ask you something?

 

Doesn't it suck being a top 3 spending team and sucking, while having a below average farm, at best?

 

Well that spending includes $16M for Price, $24M for Sale and $13M for Pedey. Bloom played no part in that. That's $53M not playing. Essentially our payroll is about $150M.....

 

People here need to change out of their panties...We have 4 world series rings in less than 20 years, and next one will be our 5th. Go cheer for someone else......

Edited February 5, 2021 by Nick

[moonslav59]

Well that spending includes $16M for Price, $24M for Sale and $13M for Pedey. Bloom played no part in that. That's $53M not playing. Essentially our payroll is about $150M.....

 

People here need to change out of their panties...We have 4 world series rings in less than 20 years, and next one will be our 5th. Go cheer for someone else......

 

Nick, you missed the context of my post. I was saying DD is 99.9% at fault for our current predicament, but I'm okay with where we're at. In no way am I blaming Bloom. I'm one of his biggest supporters.

 

I'm thrilled we won in 2018. I'm fine with where we are now, but I'm not going to sugar coat the reality of our little "cliff."

[moonslav59]

Go cheer for someone else......

 

Really?

 

Me?

 

The biggest Sox fan in the universe?

 

Really?

[Bellhorn04]

IMO, our line looks pretty potent.

 

Third mistake of 2021?

[Bellhorn04]

Really?

 

Me?

 

The biggest Sox fan in the universe?

 

Really?

 

That's quite a claim. How much do you weigh, exactly?

[Nick]

Really?

 

Me?

 

The biggest Sox fan in the universe?

 

Really?

 

That was not meant for you.......no doubt you're one of the biggest Sox fans......juggling can look amazing, we have several balls in the air and I curiously wait how many get dropped....

[jacksonianmarch]

Not many repeat names on this list.

 

That being said, I think Betts will age very well. I would have signed him to 12 years.

 

I have been on record as saying I don’t think he will and I stick with it with him wearing a different jersey. Very, very few guys his size age well. Maybe he’s the exception, but the rule is that these smaller guys do not last long

[Bellhorn04]

I have been on record as saying I don’t think he will and I stick with it with him wearing a different jersey. Very, very few guys his size age well. Maybe he’s the exception, but the rule is that these smaller guys do not last long

 

Find me the smaller guys who compare to what he's done so far in his career. He's got exception written all over him, I'd say.

 

Still, 12 years is a long time.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I have been on record as saying I don’t think he will and I stick with it with him wearing a different jersey. Very, very few guys his size age well. Maybe he’s the exception, but the rule is that these smaller guys do not last long

 

I'm not a doctor nor I don't play one online, but it also seems like very few larger guys last long. Knees and backs are often issues with large frames over time, from carrying around all that extra weight. Go back and look at the list of Hall of Famers over-30 I posted yesterday; none of them were the size of Stanton and Judge, who break down every year.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not a doctor nor I don't play one online, but it also seems like very few larger guys last long.

 

Maybe very few guys period are very good for many years, and the ones who are are your HOFers...

[Bellhorn04]

That was not meant for you.......no doubt you're one of the biggest Sox fans......juggling can look amazing, we have several balls in the air and I curiously wait how many get dropped....

 

I think Bloom's patient approach will pay off for us over the long run. But this year he's still in a tough spot. If we don't crack .500, a large part of the fanbase will either be tuned out or expressing discontent.

 

Chaim knew what he was getting into here, though.

[moonslav59]

That's quite a claim. How much do you weigh, exactly?

 

Let's just say over 240.

[notin]

I have been on record as saying I don’t think he will and I stick with it with him wearing a different jersey. Very, very few guys his size age well. Maybe he’s the exception, but the rule is that these smaller guys do not last long

 

Yep. Freddie Patek only played a scant 14 years...

[moonslav59]

I have been on record as saying I don’t think he will and I stick with it with him wearing a different jersey. Very, very few guys his size age well. Maybe he’s the exception, but the rule is that these smaller guys do not last long

 

I've never seen any evidence to back up the claim that smaller guys age poorly.

 

I'd easily change my opinion, if I see it.

 

Betts has some unique talents that I doubt anybody has ever studied- let alone how they do as they age.

 

I've heard Betts has amazing "twitch reflexes." How does that ability age? I sure as hell don't know.

 

First, what percentage of MLB players are categorized as "small" or "like Betts?" Then, is that percent about the same or worse among the best players beyond ages 32 or so?

 

This may not mean jack, but here are the top fWAR players from ages 32-36 since 1970:

 

41 Bonds

32 Schmidt

32 McGwire

29 E Martinez

29 Rose

29 Edmonds

27 O Smith

27 A Beltre

27 Kent

26 Suzuki & C Jones

24 Stargell, L Gonzalez & Larkin

23 Morgon, Bagwell, Palmeiro, Walker, Whitaker & T Phillips

22 Molitar, D Evans, G Brett, D Jeter

21 B Williams & J Cruz

20 ARod, Hendu, B Giles

 

Ages 37-41(which is actually beyond the years of the Betts contract)

39 Bonds

19 Aaron

15 Da. Evans

15 E Martinez

13 Papi & M Alou

12 W Mays, B Boone & J Morgan

11 C Fisk. Yaz & B Downing

10 O Smith, W Boggs

9 O Vizquel, S Finley, A Beltre, D Lopes, C Jones, P Rose

8 N Cruz, Hendu, J Kent

 

One could argue the second list blows your argument out of the water.

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

Yep. Freddie Patek only played a scant 14 years...

 

Hammerin' Hank and Willie Mays were mammoth guys!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hammerin' Hank and Willie Mays were mammoth guys!

 

Yaz was an All-Star from the neck down... according to Eddie Stanky.

[moonslav59]

Yaz was an All-Star from the neck down... according to Eddie Stanky.

 

Another muscle bound player.

 

To me, other than steroid-enhanced Bonds, it's the big muscle (or fat) guys that get hurt a lot as they age. Many are out of MLB before age 32 or 34.

 

It's the little guys who stick around, especially those who are great defensively- like Betts!

[kenmeister]

It's February 5th. I'm starting to doubt anyone else is being added to the Red Sox. So as constituted, I'm going to say ... 80-82.