Will The MLB Suspend The 2020 season

[mvp 78]

PGA Tour > EPL

 

Quick shoutout to the PGA Tour though. Tomorrow they start their second tournament back. They test everybody on site, and keep players in a bubble during the week. 0 positive tests so far, and over 900 administered

 

My neighbor is constantly watching the Golf Channel on his huge tv when I walk by his house. That's enough golf for me.

[Kimmi]

The only reason I am interested is John Henry,'s Liverpool can begin play but not the Red Sox. It is so irritating.

 

It has been very frustrating following the non-progress in these negotiations. We could have been watching baseball on July 4th weekend (what better day to have a delayed Opening Day?) if the two sides were not so stubborn. Now, it looks like the earliest projected start date is July 19.

[Elktonnick]

If a number of teams go bankrupt as some are suggesting then arguments over the lux tax and any reset are academic. Owners have a legit fear that the public will be reluctant to return to baseball parks in 2021 in any large numbers.. Projecting 2021 baseball economics will be highly speculative. If I were to guess, baseball will not see anything like a return to normality in 2021. The outlook is very pessimistic from my point of view.

[Kimmi]

PGA Tour > EPL

 

Quick shoutout to the PGA Tour though. Tomorrow they start their second tournament back. They test everybody on site, and keep players in a bubble during the week. 0 positive tests so far, and over 900 administered

 

Good deal with the PGA Tour. They seem to have done things the right way.

 

I took my son to a soccer game a few years back. I developed a respect for soccer players that I didn't have prior to that. The beatings that their bodies must take is incredible. They are almost like football players with no padding. Not to mention just the great physical condition they must be in to run up and down the field as much as they do.

[Kimmi]

If true, then why would Betts not have to replay the final year of his contract next year with the Dodgers. No season, no service year. It would seem that this would be a reset year given the Sox made all the necessary cuts.

 

I agree with you. It doesn't seem right that the players will get service time even if the season isn't played, but the year won't count for owners in terms of the luxury tax penalty.

[Elktonnick]

Good deal with the PGA Tour. They seem to have done things the right way.

 

I took my son to a soccer game a few years back. I developed a respect for soccer players that I didn't have prior to that. The beatings that their bodies must take is incredible. They are almost like football players with no padding. Not to mention just the great physical condition they must be in to run up and down the field as much as they do.

 

They say that the average Premier League football player covers 6.5 miles per game.

[Kimmi]

Manfred has hinted that maybe they would just reset everyone even if the season was cancelled, but nothing has been set in stone.

 

My guess is that John Henry would pitch quite a fit if he's forced to reset next year. I bet that some of the larger market clubs would back Henry in this fight and it wouldn't really be prudent for Manfred to force these owners to reset next year if he wanted to keep his job.

 

That makes a lot of sense. This should appease the players as well, because that would allow the Sox to spend more than they might spend if they don't reset. Not that they're likely to spend big in either case because of the shutdown, but it should help some.

[Kimmi]

If a number of teams go bankrupt as some are suggesting then arguments over the lux tax and any reset are academic. Owners have a legit fear that the public will be reluctant to return to baseball parks in 2021 in any large numbers.. Projecting 2021 baseball economics will be highly speculative. If I were to guess, baseball will not see anything like a return to normality in 2021. The outlook is very pessimistic from my point of view.

 

I don't think baseball did itself any favors in the past several weeks, but I don't see the outlook being as pessimistic as others see it. I don't think baseball is doomed.

[Thunder]

It has been very frustrating following the non-progress in these negotiations. We could have been watching baseball on July 4th weekend (what better day to have a delayed Opening Day?) if the two sides were not so stubborn. Now, it looks like the earliest projected start date is July 19.

 

Yep. Both sides are to blame here.

[Thunder]

My neighbor is constantly watching the Golf Channel on his huge tv when I walk by his house. That's enough golf for me.

 

Well then can you move somewhere else so those of us that want to live somewhere where we can play year round have that opportunity? K thanks

[jad]

Wall Street Journal had a nice article today about Kansas city agreeing to pay minor leaguers and not treating low-level employees like s***, as opposed to firing staff and screwing the minor leaguers as other franchises have done. When you hold up a relatively poor franchise like KC as a model of civil behavior, which shames the greedy, cost-cutting actions of major franchises, that tells you pretty much all you need to know about MLB 'management'. When I see players f*cking over their trainers, house-keepers, gardeners, and lying about their finances in public, then I will be willing to entertain the thought that 'both sides are at fault'.

[Elktonnick]

Wall Street Journal had a nice article today about Kansas city agreeing to pay minor leaguers and not treating low-level employees like s***, as opposed to firing staff and screwing the minor leaguers as other franchises have done. When you hold up a relatively poor franchise like KC as a model of civil behavior, which shames the greedy, cost-cutting actions of major franchises, that tells you pretty much all you need to know about MLB 'management'. When I see players f*cking over their trainers, house-keepers, gardeners, and lying about their finances in public, then I will be willing to entertain the thought that 'both sides are at fault'.

It really doesn't matter who has the most to blame. If both sides do not reach an agreement both lose. Moreover if clubs do start to declare bankruptcy those long term "guaranteed" contract s become fodder for the bankruptcy court.

[S5Dewey]

Good deal with the PGA Tour. They seem to have done things the right way.

 

I took my son to a soccer game a few years back. I developed a respect for soccer players that I didn't have prior to that. The beatings that their bodies must take is incredible. They are almost like football players with no padding. Not to mention just the great physical condition they must be in to run up and down the field as much as they do.

 

My son played soccer in HS.

 

As part of their Phys Ed. program everyone in the school had to participate in a fitness evaluation. Every member of the soccer teams (both genders) beat every member of the football team in a timed 2-mile run.

[mvp 78]

Well then can you move somewhere else so those of us that want to live somewhere where we can play year round have that opportunity? K thanks

 

There's more than enough housing for you down here, but you want to move to TX anyway.

[mvp 78]

Yep. Both sides are to blame here.

 

Nope.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

My son played soccer in HS.

 

As part of their Phys Ed. program everyone in the school had to participate in a fitness evaluation. Every member of the soccer teams (both genders) beat every member of the football team in a timed 2-mile run.

 

One year in high school, our soccer coach also took over as manager of the baseball team. In try-outs he said every player had to run a 6-minute mile. I remember telling him he couldn't cut guys if they didn't make it, since our big ole pitching ace and slugging first baseman had a rep for "treading basepaths". The coach replied that in soccer try-outs, the requirements are two miles in under 12 minutes...

[notin]

Good deal with the PGA Tour. They seem to have done things the right way.

 

I took my son to a soccer game a few years back. I developed a respect for soccer players that I didn't have prior to that. The beatings that their bodies must take is incredible. They are almost like football players with no padding. Not to mention just the great physical condition they must be in to run up and down the field as much as they do.

 

Soccer can be physical, but it is sometimes a surpringly slow-paced game in other countries. A big part of the reason is it’s like baseball in that any player taken out of the game cannot go back in.

 

I played high school soccer, and we did not have that rule. So as a result, the game was much faster paced. (Also our skill level was such that a European-style controlled attack was above our level by a few miles..)

[notin]

One year in high school, our soccer coach also took over as manager of the baseball team. In try-outs he said every player had to run a 6-minute mile. I remember telling him he couldn't cut guys if they didn't make it, since our big ole pitching ace and slugging first baseman had a rep for "treading basepaths". The coach replied that in soccer try-outs, the requirements are two miles in under 12 minutes...

 

“Only four guys made the team that year...”

[Bellhorn04]

Seems like they're closing in on a deal now for a 60 or 70 game season.

[Elktonnick]

Seems like they're closing in on a deal now for a 60 or 70 game season.

 

Inshallah!!

[jad]

“Only four guys made the team that year...”

 

Seems like they're closing in on a deal now for a 60 or 70 game season.

 

Yes, I agree. MLB made its first real offer yesterday. Obviously, they should just "do it," but I'm sure the owners' egos are so involved now that they will INSIST that it be THEIR offer that is the final one, not one made by players. (F*ck it: shake on 65 and have each side walk away claiming victory).

[jad]

One year in high school, our soccer coach also took over as manager of the baseball team. In try-outs he said every player had to run a 6-minute mile. I remember telling him he couldn't cut guys if they didn't make it, since our big ole pitching ace and slugging first baseman had a rep for "treading basepaths". The coach replied that in soccer try-outs, the requirements are two miles in under 12 minutes...

 

Ha! What a tool! I played three sports in h.s., hockey in college, tennis, golf and squash as an adult, ran four marathons, and I can guarantee you, I NEVER ran a 6 minute mile or anything close. Thank God my coaches were not wannabe badasses like this guy.

[Thunder]

There's more than enough housing for you down here, but you want to move to TX anyway.

 

Texas is high on the list but not the only one on the list. Little to no interest in FL unless it's visiting my aunt and uncle when they're there in the winter

[notin]

Ha! What a tool! I played three sports in h.s., hockey in college, tennis, golf and squash as an adult, ran four marathons, and I can guarantee you, I NEVER ran a 6 minute mile or anything close. Thank God my coaches were not wannabe badasses like this guy.

 

Our soccer coach made us do a 6 minute run one year. Most of the team did get at least one mile in that time...

[jad]

Our soccer coach made us do a 6 minute run one year. Most of the team did get at least one mile in that time...

 

When I was in h.s., that was "long distance." I remember we were told to do 4 laps once (that would have been less than a mile)-- only a few made it without walking.

[mvp 78]

Texas is high on the list but not the only one on the list. Little to no interest in FL unless it's visiting my aunt and uncle when they're there in the winter

 

You’re missing out. It rules down here.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Ha! What a tool! I played three sports in h.s., hockey in college, tennis, golf and squash as an adult, ran four marathons, and I can guarantee you, I NEVER ran a 6 minute mile or anything close. Thank God my coaches were not wannabe badasses like this guy.

 

About half our baseball team couldn't break 6, but nobody wound up getting cut since most of them were starters. This was the decade when Mickey Lolich, the hefty lefty of the Tigers, led the AL in complete games and strikeouts. After he retired, he made doughnuts for a living for more years than he played MLB.

[notin]

When I was in h.s., that was "long distance." I remember we were told to do 4 laps once (that would have been less than a mile)-- only a few made it without walking.

 

 

I was a strong runner then. I did over 1.25 miles in 6 minutes. And honestly, no one was pushing me...

[illinoisredsox]

One year in high school, our soccer coach also took over as manager of the baseball team. In try-outs he said every player had to run a 6-minute mile. I remember telling him he couldn't cut guys if they didn't make it, since our big ole pitching ace and slugging first baseman had a rep for "treading basepaths". The coach replied that in soccer try-outs, the requirements are two miles in under 12 minutes...

 

“Only four guys made the team that year...”

 

I’m not an athlete, I’m a baseball player - John Kruk

[moonslav59]

I'm a huge Sox fan and love baseball, but at this point, I am not really all that enthusiastic about having a short season, this year.