Will The MLB Suspend The 2020 season

[notin]

I'm a huge Sox fan and love baseball, but at this point, I am not really all that enthusiastic about having a short season, this year.

 

The big hold up is over 10 games...

[S5Dewey]

The big hold up is over 10 games...

 

Now, that's just stupid. :-(

 

As someone said elsewhere, pick a number, any number, between the two positions. Publicly call it a compromise, shake on it and call it a day.

[notin]

Now, that's just stupid. :-(

 

As someone said elsewhere, pick a number, any number, between the two positions. Publicly call it a compromise, shake on it and call it a day.

 

 

I actually find myself siding with the players over the owners on this issue, but at some point the players really do need to acknowledge that they need the owners more than the owners need them...

[Thunder]

I'm a huge Sox fan and love baseball

 

Really? Wow. I didn't know that about you.

[Bellhorn04]

I actually find myself siding with the players over the owners on this issue, but at some point the players really do need to acknowledge that they need the owners more than the owners need them...

 

Yes, the union would love it if Tony Clark told them that.

 

Many have criticized the players for caving in and taking a bad deal in the last CBA.

 

(Just a man looking for an argument here.)

[notin]

Yes, the union would love it if Tony Clark told them that.

 

Many have criticized the players for caving in and taking a bad deal in the last CBA.

 

(Just a man looking for an argument here.)

 

It might have been a bad deal, but the owners would all be billionaires with or without baseball. I do side with the players more often than not, but at some point that fact does become inevitable...

[Bellhorn04]

It might have been a bad deal, but the owners would all be billionaires with or without baseball.

 

Absolutely, but it's also true that without good players there's not much sense owning a baseball team.

 

And it's the owners who have wanted some players enough to hand them $300 million plus guaranteed contracts...

[Kimmi]

I’m not an athlete, I’m a baseball player - John Kruk

 

Haha. I was thinking that most baseball players can't compare to soccer players in terms of physical conditioning.

[Kimmi]

I'm a huge Sox fan and love baseball, but at this point, I am not really all that enthusiastic about having a short season, this year.

 

I am holding out for any type of baseball season. I don't care if it's only 50 games. I want baseball.

[Kimmi]

The big hold up is over 10 games...

 

It is ridiculous. Manfred and Clark can't even agree on what was said during a meeting that occurred 24 hours ago. SMH

 

I say go with 66 games and call it a day.

[jad]

This is why I say the owners view this as a hobby, and not a business. Because from a business point of view, their position (they want to WIN, PERIOD) is nuts. At this point they are arguing over peanuts, when they could easily say, "OK, Tony, let's call it 65, or ... no? ok, 68. Deal." Instead, they dig in, and issue statements disparaging their greatest asset--the players. Perhaps they won't lose this season or post-season. But with the CBA looming, the players likely hold the cards next year--all they need to do is play out the 2021 season, take their cash, and strike immediately before the post-season. What is the ownership attitude toward this? Do they figure that by eliminating the minor leagues, as they have, they can just hire a bunch of cheap 'replacement players'--a strategy that has not worked at all when it was tried by other leagues? Do they really think fans don't give a crap about Mookie, or Mike Trout or Bryce Harper? If this were a business, there is no way an owner would be willing to risk the catastrophic losses that could well result from bad owner/player relationships.

[notin]

Haha. I was thinking that most baseball players can't compare to soccer players in terms of physical conditioning.

 

Actually, they probably can for some activities. I bet most soccer players cannot throw a baseball their hardest (or, 90% of their hardest) 100+ times without having problems. Even swinging a bat your hardest 50 times is surprisingly grueling, but players do it in BP all the time...

[Elktonnick]

This is why I say the owners view this as a hobby, and not a business. Because from a business point of view, their position (they want to WIN, PERIOD) is nuts. At this point they are arguing over peanuts, when they could easily say, "OK, Tony, let's call it 65, or ... no? ok, 68. Deal." Instead, they dig in, and issue statements disparaging their greatest asset--the players. Perhaps they won't lose this season or post-season. But with the CBA looming, the players likely hold the cards next year--all they need to do is play out the 2021 season, take their cash, and strike immediately before the post-season. What is the ownership attitude toward this? Do they figure that by eliminating the minor leagues, as they have, they can just hire a bunch of cheap 'replacement players'--a strategy that has not worked at all when it was tried by other leagues? Do they really think fans don't give a crap about Mookie, or Mike Trout or Bryce Harper? If this were a business, there is no way an owner would be willing to risk the catastrophic losses that could well result from bad owner/player relationships.

 

I do.not know if it were your intention but you just.largely made the same argument that owners have made.historically as to why MLB can not be regulated under anti trust legislation.

[Bellhorn04]

Haha. I was thinking that most baseball players can't compare to soccer players in terms of physical conditioning.

 

True, OTOH what MLB hitters have is extraordinary eye-hand coordination.

[Elktonnick]

True, OTOH what MLB hitters have is extraordinary eye-hand coordination.

Otoh soccer players have extraordinary eye-foot coordination.

[notin]

True, OTOH what MLB hitters have is extraordinary eye-hand coordination.

 

And crazy good eyesight

[Bellhorn04]

Otoh soccer players have extraordinary eye-foot coordination.

 

No doubt.

 

I guess the only question is, who would look sillier:

 

a) Major league slugger trying to play major league soccer; or

Major league soccer player trying to hit major league pitching.

[Elktonnick]

No doubt.

 

I guess the only question is, who would look sillier:

 

a) Major league slugger trying to play major league soccer; or

Major league soccer player trying to hit major league pitching.

 

The latter might get killed assuming they had the cajones to stay in on a 100 mph.fastball.

[Bellhorn04]

The latter might get killed assuming they had the cajones to stay in on a 100 mph.fastball.

 

Right. I think the soccer player would be more likely to look not only silly, but terrified.

[jad]

I do.not know if it were your intention but you just.largely made the same argument that owners have made.historically as to why MLB can not be regulated under anti trust legislation.

 

No. Not my intention. I don't understand what you mean. Explain? (I realize MLB has an exception that other sports do not.)

[notin]

No doubt.

 

I guess the only question is, who would look sillier:

 

a) Major league slugger trying to play major league soccer; or

Major league soccer player trying to hit major league pitching.

 

I was trying to find some players who played both sports. While Bogaerts is an avid soccer player and Derek Jeter was apparently a high school soccer star, I’m actually very surprised not many players played both sports at college level or higher. (There’s probably a glut of people who played both and went professional in neither.)

 

Preliminary research shows the only two MLB players who were also notable soccer players were Damaso Garcia and former Sox outfielder Curtis Pride.

 

Also noteworthy, Ryan Braun has claimed he could have played professional soccer...

[Elktonnick]

No. Not my intention. I don't understand what you mean. Explain? (I realize MLB has an exception that other sports do not.)

The argument is that mlb is not a business engaged in interstate commerce. Its business is giving exhibitions of baseball which is a state centric activity and not subject to the Sherman anti trust act.at least that is how Justice Holmes opined in 1922. You see baseball is a business that is not a business!???!????.That is why it is exempt from regulation by congress. If it makes no sense to you I understand because it is nonsensical. But that is the way it is until the Supreme Court reverses itself which it declined to do two years ago.

[Bellhorn04]

I was trying to find some players who played both sports. While Bogaerts is an avid soccer player and Derek Jeter was apparently a high school soccer star, I’m actually very surprised not many players played both sports at college level or higher. (There’s probably a glut of people who played both and went professional in neither.)

 

Preliminary research shows the only two MLB players who were also notable soccer players were Damaso Garcia and former Sox outfielder Curtis Pride.

 

Also noteworthy, Ryan Braun has claimed he could have played professional soccer...

 

Hey, don't forget Nomar.

[jad]

The argument is that mlb is not a business engaged in interstate commerce. Its business is giving exhibitions of baseball which is a state centric activity and not subject to the Sherman anti trust act.at least that is how Justice Holmes opined in 1922. You see baseball is a business that is not a business!???!????.That is why it is exempt from regulation by congress. If it makes no sense to you I understand because it is nonsensical. But that is the way it is until the Supreme Court reverses itself which it declined to do two years ago.

 

Not sure why you are turning this into an argument. I never said it's not a business. I said the owners treat this business as if it were a hobby (which of course legally is subject to all the same laws businesses are subject to.). If you want to argue, go ahead and make an argument you can then rail against. It's the internet. Anyone can be a bad-ass tough guy.

[Elktonnick]

Not sure why you are turning this into an argument. I never said it's not a business. I said the owners treat this business as if it were a hobby (which of course legally is subject to all the same laws businesses are subject to.). If you want to argue, go ahead and make an argument you can then rail against. It's the internet. Anyone can be a bad-ass tough guy.

I was not using argument in that context but rather in the context that it was Holmes reasoning ie to state a point.of view.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Hey, don't forget Nomar.

 

Bagwell was All-State in soccer. I went to a high school baseball tournament game once where Brian Leetch (NHL Hall of Famer) was pitching and Bill Romanoski (NFL Pro Bowler) hit the walk-off homer. Hate those guys -- always dating the prom queens... while the rest of us big bang theorists hang out at the comic book shop.

[Kimmi]

Actually, they probably can for some activities. I bet most soccer players cannot throw a baseball their hardest (or, 90% of their hardest) 100+ times without having problems. Even swinging a bat your hardest 50 times is surprisingly grueling, but players do it in BP all the time...

 

I'm sure there are many things that baseball players can do that soccer players can't do. However, you will have a hard time convincing me that baseball players are as well conditioned as soccer players are.

[Kimmi]

No doubt.

 

I guess the only question is, who would look sillier:

 

a) Major league slugger trying to play major league soccer; or

Major league soccer player trying to hit major league pitching.

 

I'm not trying to say that baseball players aren't skilled, or that it doesn't take a lot of skill to play baseball at the major league level. They are highly skilled. IMO, it takes more skill to play baseball than it does to play soccer. In fact, I often joke that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of skill or strategy going on in soccer. Just kick the ball and hope it goes where you want it to go. LOL

[notin]

I'm not trying to say that baseball players aren't skilled, or that it doesn't take a lot of skill to play baseball at the major league level. They are highly skilled. IMO, it takes more skill to play baseball than it does to play soccer. In fact, I often joke that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of skill or strategy going on in soccer. Just kick the ball and hope it goes where you want it to go. LOL

 

 

That’s the basic strategy before high school...

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not trying to say that baseball players aren't skilled, or that it doesn't take a lot of skill to play baseball at the major league level. They are highly skilled. IMO, it takes more skill to play baseball than it does to play soccer. In fact, I often joke that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of skill or strategy going on in soccer. Just kick the ball and hope it goes where you want it to go. LOL

 

I think my problem with soccer has always been the lack of scoring. If there was an 'arena football' type version of soccer I might be more interested.