Seagar ,May ,Pollock for Mookie ?

[OH FOY]

Wonder how Bellinger will feel if the Sox move Mookie, and he signs a huge contract.

[jacksonianmarch]

I like Verdugo and would mandate his inclusion in any trade (I want nothing to do with Pollock or Pederson). But Verdugo is still a prospect. If Bloom was going to settle for just a 2-for-1, Betts would've been gone already. Multiple pitching prospects are needed to seal the deal.

 

Verdugo is not a prospect. He’s actually not even a rookie. He’s a 23 yr old kid who OPS’d over .800 with plus defensive values over 370PAs last year who would have been a FT starter the entire year if he didn’t injure his back.

[Station 13]

To trade Betts you need 1 everyday guy in return who is minimum a 4WAR player, and 1st draft pick round caliber prospect. Even this seems light in return.

[Bellhorn04]

To trade Betts you need 1 everyday guy in return who is minimum a 4WAR player, and 1st draft pick round caliber prospect. Even this seems light in return.

 

That's not light at all.

[Nick]

That's not light at all.

 

 

And not to mention getting $28M relief less the cost of 4 war guy. Not light.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Betts for Mike Tauchman and 20 pounds of Grade A NY strip steak. Final offer!

[notin]

Wonder how Bellinger will feel if the Sox move Mookie, and he signs a huge contract.

 

Bellinger is among the primary reasons I don't expect the Dodgers to extend Betts.

 

That doesn't mean they won't be involved in his free agent campaign...

[notin]

Betts for Mike Tauchman and 20 pounds of Grade A NY strip steak. Final offer!

 

Well, at least there is some good steak involved. I might have accepted this offer until you included Tauchman...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Verdugo is not a prospect. He’s actually not even a rookie. He’s a 23 yr old kid who OPS’d over .800 with plus defensive values over 370PAs last year who would have been a FT starter the entire year if he didn’t injure his back.

 

How are Verdugo's prospects when he already has a bad back at age 23?

 

You just keep hoping for less of a return for Betts and I'll just keep pointing out you're a Yankee fan.

 

As a Red Sox fan, I'll keep demanding the prospect haul that Bloom is holding out for. And even then, all of Red Sox Nation but a few forum posters will be equally depressed and disgusted that it came to that.

 

Because we all know that watching the Sox won't be as fun, and even if they don't suck like you hope because of one down year, the path to the 2020 postseason for NY will become that much easier if they don't have to contend with Mookie Betts in 19 games anymore.

[Jack Flap]

Wonder how Bellinger will feel if the Sox move Mookie, and he signs a huge contract.

 

Assuming you mean with the Dodgers, I imagine he should be thrilled.

[notin]

How are Verdugo's prospects when he already has a bad back at age 23?

 

You just keep hoping for less of a return for Betts and I'll just keep pointing out you're a Yankee fan.

 

As a Red Sox fan, I'll keep demanding the prospect haul that Bloom is holding out for. And even then, all of Red Sox Nation but a few forum posters will be equally depressed and disgusted that it came to that.

 

Because we all know that watching the Sox won't be as fun, and even if they don't suck like you hope because of one down year, the path to the 2020 postseason for NY will become that much easier if they don't have to contend with Mookie Betts in 19 games anymore.

 

The real problem with all this is the complete lack of names actually being discussed in the deal. The talking heads keep throwing out list after list of some of the top Dodger prospects, but so far, how many have actually been brought up by Friedman? All we know is no Lux and no May. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess.

 

And to further complicate matters, there is the whole Price "Is he included or isn't he" matter. And that does that do for the return package? Obviously since we don't even have the baseline non-Price packge, beyond knowing it will be less, we still know nothing.

 

I can speculate all day long, run baseballtradvalues.com simulator trades and determine "fair" deals. But until we know what the Dodgers are willing to give up, it's nothing more than discussion fodder. All we really know is that whatever Friedman is willing to give up for Betts either with or without Price, Bloom doesn't think it's enough.

 

Maybe Verdugo is the linchpin?

[Bellhorn04]

The real problem with all this is the complete lack of names actually being discussed in the deal. The talking heads keep throwing out list after list of some of the top Dodger prospects, but so far, how many have actually been brought up by Friedman? All we know is no Lux and no May. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess.

 

And to further complicate matters, there is the whole Price "Is he included or isn't he" matter. And that does that do for the return package? Obviously since we don't even have the baseline non-Price packge, beyond knowing it will be less, we still know nothing.

 

I can speculate all day long, run baseballtradvalues.com simulator trades and determine "fair" deals. But until we know what the Dodgers are willing to give up, it's nothing more than discussion fodder. All we really know is that whatever Friedman is willing to give up for Betts either with or without Price, Bloom doesn't think it's enough.

 

Maybe Verdugo is the linchpin?

 

There has to be a pretty good staredown going on.

[mvp 78]

Having Price can only help though.

 

I guess if they're willing to pay him.

[jacksonianmarch]

ESPN is saying the sox and dodgers are "deep" in talks and that Price is involved

[mvp 78]

why are you trying to save JH money???!!!

 

I don't care about his money. I just know it seems like he doesn't want to spend it anymore. Just being realistic.

[mvp 78]

To trade Betts you need 1 everyday guy in return who is minimum a 4WAR player, and 1st draft pick round caliber prospect. Even this seems light in return.

 

Nope. Betts is only under 1 year of control.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think we all agree, even casual fans, that no matter what the return, trading Mookie Betts will be the white flag on the Sox 2020 season.

 

I also think that most baseball fans -- beyond fan addicts like us -- will still watch their teams if young guys with potential are featured. The Sox teams of the mid-70s and late-80s, for example, were fun to follow because they were contenders with promising futures. It sure felt that way from 2016-18 (which is why I refuse to let one mediocre year destroy all that cumulative optimism).

 

This is why it's so important for Bloom to net prospects with upside, because no one is falling for Myers or Pollock...

[mvp 78]

ESPN is saying the sox and dodgers are "deep" in talks and that Price is involved

 

Whoop! Whoop!!!

[mvp 78]

How are Verdugo's prospects when he already has a bad back at age 23?

 

Jacko, any idea about a prognosis concerning what is noted below:

Club officials say there is no concern with the 23-year-old’s health long term, but initially nobody thought his injury was this serious.

 

The Dodgers have been vague about Verdugo’s specific diagnosis, which has included lower back soreness and a right oblique strain. Manager Dave Roberts said Verdugo first felt back discomfort after playing on the artificial surface at Tropicana Field against the Rays in late May. He was batting .311 with an .869 OPS at the time, having replaced the injured Pollock in center field.

 

He continued to play through the discomfort, but his production dropped off noticeably from mid-July on, when he finished 11-for-53 (.208) with one home run and one RBI before going on the injured list on Aug. 6 with what was listed as a right oblique strain. After rehabbing in Arizona, Verdugo seemed to be nearing a return when he suffered a setback during a Minor League rehab assignment with Ogden.

 

“Rehab is going good,” Verdugo said. “It’s just really about stacking together really good days. Keep testing it, incorporating more workouts in my routine. It’s about how I recover and come back the next day. If I’m sore, what am I feeling? We’re on a good pace right now with what we’re trying to do.”

[bkzwhitestrican]

Well, at least there is some good steak involved. I might have accepted this offer until you included Tauchman...

 

Hey someone was saying they needed at least a 4 WAR player in return and he put up 2.6 in half a season. So we might actually have to cut it down to 10 pounds of steaks.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pairing Mookie with Price decreases prospect return, but very well may allow the sox to get out from under a lot of money.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko, any idea about a prognosis concerning what is noted below:

Club officials say there is no concern with the 23-year-old’s health long term, but initially nobody thought his injury was this serious.

 

The Dodgers have been vague about Verdugo’s specific diagnosis, which has included lower back soreness and a right oblique strain. Manager Dave Roberts said Verdugo first felt back discomfort after playing on the artificial surface at Tropicana Field against the Rays in late May. He was batting .311 with an .869 OPS at the time, having replaced the injured Pollock in center field.

 

He continued to play through the discomfort, but his production dropped off noticeably from mid-July on, when he finished 11-for-53 (.208) with one home run and one RBI before going on the injured list on Aug. 6 with what was listed as a right oblique strain. After rehabbing in Arizona, Verdugo seemed to be nearing a return when he suffered a setback during a Minor League rehab assignment with Ogden.

 

“Rehab is going good,” Verdugo said. “It’s just really about stacking together really good days. Keep testing it, incorporating more workouts in my routine. It’s about how I recover and come back the next day. If I’m sore, what am I feeling? We’re on a good pace right now with what we’re trying to do.”

 

He didn't have any back surgery. From what they are saying, he had a recurrent oblique injury, likely had a tear that didn't completely heal. Then again, who knows if they are telling the truth

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He didn't have any back surgery. From what they are saying, he had a recurrent oblique injury, likely had a tear that didn't completely heal. Then again, who knows if they are telling the truth

 

If Verdugo is damaged goods then five years in the treehouse could become a cardboard box under a bridge.

 

Luckily, no team would ever trade a guy they secretly thought was injured.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Verdugo is damaged goods then five years in the treehouse could become a cardboard box under a bridge.

 

Luckily, no team would ever trade a guy they secretly thought was injured.

 

Medical records are part of the physical process. If he fails the physical, the deal is off

[notin]

Medical records are part of the physical process. If he fails the physical, the deal is off

 

I believe AJ Preller said that, too...

[jung]

This is just a rash guess on my part. But having to guess at this point, my guess is no deal gets done and Mookie plays out his contract here in Boston possibly traded at the deadline.

[harmony]

Imagine what the Red Sox could have received in a trade of Mookie Betts a year ago if the Sox knew that they would finish 12 games behind the second Wild Card slot in 2019.

 

His current trade value is limited by the single year of team control and the 2020 salary of $27 million salary (supported largely by his 2019 salary of $20 million coming off his 10+ WAR season in 2018).

[Bellhorn04]

Imagine what the Red Sox could have received in a trade of Mookie Betts a year ago if the Sox knew that they would finish 12 games behind the second Wild Card slot in 2019.

 

His current trade value is limited by the single year of team control and the 2020 salary of $27 million salary (supported largely by his 2019 salary of $20 million coming off his 10+ WAR season in 2018).

 

Yeah, and while you're at it, imagine how much money you could make if you knew the score of the Super Bowl in advance.

[notin]

Hey someone was saying they needed at least a 4 WAR player in return and he put up 2.6 in half a season. So we might actually have to cut it down to 10 pounds of steaks.

 

Make it 20 pounds of Grade A ribeye and keep Tauchman.

 

I don't trust his stats, as I strongly suspect there was some sign stealing involved...

[bkzwhitestrican]

Imagine what the Red Sox could have received in a trade of Mookie Betts a year ago if the Sox knew that they would finish 12 games behind the second Wild Card slot in 2019.

 

His current trade value is limited by the single year of team control and the 2020 salary of $27 million salary (supported largely by his 2019 salary of $20 million coming off his 10+ WAR season in 2018).

 

Going into 2019 there weren't any real reasons to believe the Sox wouldn't be good. They had almost the same exact roster as 2018, and even if you expected a little regression they were still the preseason favorites. There was zero chance that Betts would have been traded since the 2019 team looked like another WS contender.