Seagar ,May ,Pollock for Mookie ?

[mvp 78]

Going into 2019 there weren't any real reasons to believe the Sox wouldn't be good. They had almost the same exact roster as 2018, and even if you expected a little regression they were still the preseason favorites. There was zero chance that Betts would have been traded since the 2019 team looked like another WS contender.

 

And with DD being GM... DD only cared about the current roster. If it meant trading Betts for 10 top 100 prospects in A ball, he wouldn't have done it.

[oldmaninthevegasdesert]

Verdugo is good enough to be a one for one with Betts. Not that he’s better than Betts, but 5 years of Verdugo is worth more than one year of Betts, especially for a team looking like 2020 isn’t going to be their year

 

spot on

[oldmaninthevegasdesert]

Casas and Dalbec will be playing hot potato with 1b and DH. Maybe they'll even try to work Dalbec into LF? I'm not a believer in Chavis at all. Maybe he can be Jeff Kentish at 2b, but I really doubt it.

 

I would take a flyer on Kipnis, if he is not asking for the farm, and Brock Holt must have an inflated opinion of his worth to remain unsigned, could have had a 29 year old Castro for a couple(6 million) bucks. What the heck, show us the second coming of Chuck Schilling.

[moonslav59]

I would take a flyer on Kipnis, if he is not asking for the farm, and Brock Holt must have an inflated opinion of his worth to remain unsigned, could have had a 29 year old Castro for a couple(6 million) bucks. What the heck, show us the second coming of Chuck Schilling.

 

Holt might be waiting for a Betts trade to free up space for us to sign him... or not.

[harmony]

Going into 2019 there weren't any real reasons to believe the Sox wouldn't be good. They had almost the same exact roster as 2018, and even if you expected a little regression they were still the preseason favorites. There was zero chance that Betts would have been traded since the 2019 team looked like another WS contender.

All true.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Going into 2019 there weren't any real reasons to believe the Sox wouldn't be good. They had almost the same exact roster as 2018, and even if you expected a little regression they were still the preseason favorites. There was zero chance that Betts would have been traded since the 2019 team looked like another WS contender.

 

It's amazing how assumptions and expectations are almost always made based on the previous season... and how many times even expert pundits are wrong.

[Bellhorn04]

It's amazing how assumptions and expectations are almost always made based on the previous season... and how many times even expert pundits are wrong.

 

This is especially true in baseball.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

spot on

 

I'm spot off. There isn't a single player on the entire Dodgers' 40-man or in their system that I would take in a straight trade for Mookie Betts for 2020.

 

Interesting question for the board -- forget about salary, years and taxes for a moment -- what one MLB player on any team would you trade for Betts right now, for the coming year?

 

In other words, if you could have any other player in the majors for one year on the Red Sox instead of Mookie at age 27, who would that be?

 

I'm not picking Trout, because Mookie is more valuable in right in Fenway than Trout would be in center. I might say Arenado, but I think Devers may be the Sox best player this year. If I had to choose one guy... maybe Lindor, another best at his position, but in a spot on D that can impact more Ws. And that's only a maybe...

[harmony]

I'm spot off. There isn't a single player on the entire Dodgers' 40-man or in their system that I would take in a straight trade for Mookie Betts for 2020.

 

Interesting question for the board -- forget about salary, years and taxes for a moment -- what one MLB player on any team would you trade for Betts right now, for the coming year?

 

In other words, if you could have any other player in the majors for one year on the Red Sox instead of Mookie at age 27, who would that be?

 

I'm not picking Trout, because Mookie is more valuable in right in Fenway than Trout would be in center. I might say Arenado, but I think Devers may be the Sox best player this year. If I had to choose one guy... maybe Lindor, another best at his position, but in a spot on D that can impact more Ws. And that's only a maybe...

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamer600

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer600&team=0&lg=all&players=0

 

But discarding "salary, years and taxes" lands us in fantasy land.

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/516/

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&type=steamer600

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer600&team=0&lg=all&players=0

 

But discarding "salary, years and taxes" lands us in fantasy land.

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/teams/516/

 

Sorry, I forgot how serious a bunch of adults are about a kid's game that still compels us to bang away our days and nights on keyboards to strangers that only exist through code names...

[mvp 78]

I'm spot off. There isn't a single player on the entire Dodgers' 40-man or in their system that I would take in a straight trade for Mookie Betts for 2020.

 

Interesting question for the board -- forget about salary, years and taxes for a moment -- what one MLB player on any team would you trade for Betts right now, for the coming year?

 

In other words, if you could have any other player in the majors for one year on the Red Sox instead of Mookie at age 27, who would that be?

 

I'm not picking Trout, because Mookie is more valuable in right in Fenway than Trout would be in center. I might say Arenado, but I think Devers may be the Sox best player this year. If I had to choose one guy... maybe Lindor, another best at his position, but in a spot on D that can impact more Ws. And that's only a maybe...

 

You can’t just forget salary and years though.

[moonslav59]

You can’t just forget salary and years though.

 

You can for abstract discussion, but this thread is about a possible trade, and yes, years of control and contractual obligations mean a hell of a lot.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You can’t just forget salary and years though.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone here. I mean, we may be some of the more erudite to argue whether a young man who plays a game for a living deserves $300 million or $400 million. Dollars.

 

But when you get down to it, what really separates our opinions from kids on the playground or guys at bar? Answer: about two beers -- but that's only because recess is 15 minutes long!

[moonslav59]

Sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone here. I mean, we may be some of the more erudite to argue whether a young man who plays a game for a living deserves $300 million or $400 million. Dollars.

 

But when you get down to it, what really separates our opinions from kids on the playground or guys at bar? Answer: about two beers -- but that's only because recess is 15 minutes long!

 

Plus, the local bars never line up their happy hours with recess.

[notin]

Sorry, I forgot how serious a bunch of adults are about a kid's game that still compels us to bang away our days and nights on keyboards to strangers that only exist through code names...

 

We all get Betts is arguably the second best player in MLB. And yes he is better at baseball than anyone on the Dodgers’ roster. Probably better than any Dodger position player since Jackie Robinson.

 

But that doesn’t mean that salary and control go out the window in a trade. Especially since Betts will spend 2020 as one of the highest paid players in the league. And no matter how many times you try to make people ignore money and years, it will never be reality. So if Bloom ever actually does trade Betts to LA, you will definitely be disappointed after your unrealistic expectations like “we get Lux and May and Mookie back for August”. Those expecting years and money to matter will be les disappointed. Or possibly -pleased...

[moonslav59]

We all get Betts is arguably the second best player in MLB. And yes he is better at baseball than anyone on the Dodgers’ roster. Probably better than any Dodger position player since Jackie Robinson.

 

But that doesn’t mean that salary and control go out the window in a trade. Especially since Betts will spend 2020 as one of the highest paid players in the league. And no matter how many times you try to make people ignore money and years, it will never be reality. So if Bloom ever actually does trade Betts to LA, you will definitely be disappointed after your unrealistic expectations like “we get Lux and May and Mookie back for August”. Those expecting years and money to matter will be les disappointed. Or possibly -pleased...

 

Even Lux OR May isn't happening. If that's what we hold out for, we'll get nothing.

[notin]

Even Lux OR May isn't happening. If that's what we hold out for, we'll get nothing.

 

As I’ve said before, if the Dodgers were willing to part with Lux, Lindor would be a Dodger...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I fully expect Betts to have a great year, with a higher WAR than Lux and May combined. That's not much of a prediction, comparing a HOFer to two guys entering what they hope will be their first full years in the majors... but that's the trend here. Even if he gets traded, Mookie will be hounded by reporters all season about extensions he won't sign and where he will sign, so I don't think his production will be affected much by location. Personally, I -- like many Red Sox fans -- prefer it be in Fenway.

 

However, the distractions of the Betts situation may be most stressful of all for the front office in Boston. Imagine if Bloom can't get what he wants, Mookie stays, and hits the ground running like two years ago. If the Sox get off to a good start, the brass will be under more pressure than ever from fans and especially the fickle, two-faced media to "lock him up, give him the $400 million already!"

 

Then Mookie will counter with half a billion.

[oldtimer]

I fully expect Betts to have a great year, with a higher WAR than Lux and May combined. That's not much of a prediction, comparing a HOFer to two guys entering what they hope will be their first full years in the majors... but that's the trend here. Even if he gets traded, Mookie will be hounded by reporters all season about extensions he won't sign and where he will sign, so I don't think his production will be affected much by location. Personally, I -- like many Red Sox fans -- prefer it be in Fenway.

 

However, the distractions of the Betts situation may be most stressful of all for the front office in Boston. Imagine if Bloom can't get what he wants, Mookie stays, and hits the ground running like two years ago. If the Sox get off to a good start, the brass will be under more pressure than ever from fans and especially the fickle, two-faced media to "lock him up, give him the $400 million already!"

 

Then Mookie will counter with half a billion.

 

With all the recent smoke of late, I imagine there is a really bright fire out there. Mookie is likely to be settled next week just based on the rumors of being very close to a deal. I seriously doubt that he remains in a Sox uni. Settle it and move on.

[moonslav59]

I fully expect Betts to have a great year, with a higher WAR than Lux and May combined. That's not much of a prediction, comparing a HOFer to two guys entering what they hope will be their first full years in the majors... but that's the trend here. Even if he gets traded, Mookie will be hounded by reporters all season about extensions he won't sign and where he will sign, so I don't think his production will be affected much by location. Personally, I -- like many Red Sox fans -- prefer it be in Fenway.

 

However, the distractions of the Betts situation may be most stressful of all for the front office in Boston. Imagine if Bloom can't get what he wants, Mookie stays, and hits the ground running like two years ago. If the Sox get off to a good start, the brass will be under more pressure than ever from fans and especially the fickle, two-faced media to "lock him up, give him the $400 million already!"

 

Then Mookie will counter with half a billion.

 

We can have the best of both worlds.

 

Build our youth foundation by trading Betts for the best offer. (Including Price would help the budget for 3 years.)

 

Reset the tax.

 

Bring Betts back at $420M/12.

[Elktonnick]

With all the recent smoke of late, I imagine there is a really bright fire out there. Mookie is likely to be settled next week just based on the rumors of being very close to a deal. I seriously doubt that he remains in a Sox uni. Settle it and move on.

Kevin Kennedy said this morning that Verdugo has back issues. He expressed some concern that these back issues may be congenital which could explain why Dodgers are willing to part with him.

[Bellhorn04]

Kevin Kennedy said this morning that Verdugo has back issues. He expressed some concern that these back issues may be congenital which could explain why Dodgers are willing to part with him.

 

We sure as hell don't need that.

[mvp 78]

Kevin Kennedy said this morning that Verdugo has back issues. He expressed some concern that these back issues may be congenital which could explain why Dodgers are willing to part with him.

 

Noted Dr Kevin Kennedy.

[Elktonnick]

Noted Dr Kevin Kennedy.

Kennedy has been around the Dodgers a long time. He could well have picked up something which could explain why this deal isn't done. It is question of due diligence.

[mvp 78]

Gronk was drafted with tons of back concerns. He ended up having a fairly productive career. At some point, they just have to move on from Betts.

[Elktonnick]

Gronk was drafted with tons of back concerns. He ended up having a fairly productive career. At some point, they just have to move on from Betts.

 

Apple's and oranges

[notin]

Apple's and oranges

 

So you’re saying they’re very similar?

 

I mean apples and oranges have a lot in common. They’re both round, both fruit, both about the size of baseballs...

[notin]

Kennedy has been around the Dodgers a long time. He could well have picked up something which could explain why this deal isn't done. It is question of due diligence.

 

He could also be speaking out of his ass. “Alex Verdugo has a sore back. My brother had a sore back his entire life from a congenital stenosis condition. Therefore Alex Verdugo must have congenital stenosis.”

[Elktonnick]

So you’re saying they’re very similar?

 

I mean apples and oranges have a lot in common. They’re both round, both fruit, both about the size of baseballs...

Typical superficial analysis.

[Elktonnick]

He could also be speaking out of his ass. “Alex Verdugo has a sore back. My brother had a sore back his entire life from a congenital stenosis condition. Therefore Alex Verdugo must have congenital stenosis.”

Typical faulty logic