2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

Also, the latest rumor I saw was that the Sox head scouts were watching the Giants-Mets game. That immediately led to MadBum or Thor rumors, but it seems the Sox were there to scout Watson and Smith.

[moonslav59]

Abreu isn’t what he once was. His K and BB rates are going the wrong way. His BA has declined from his peak as well making his OBP pretty woeful for a 1b. Also, his defense isn’t good. For the season, he’s at 0.8 WAR. He not an upgrade over Chavis

 

Much of Chavis' WAR is fueled by his hot start. Abreu has a longer history.

 

I don't think we need to target a 1Bman

Edited July 19, 2019 by moonslav59

[fxkatt]

Interesting time for both the Sox and Yanks, just when all the injured players are coming back into the fold, the trade deadline is upon us. Stability meets Shakeup. Let's see what our roster looks like on Aug 1.

[a700hitter]

Rumors are flying up here in N.E. that the Sox are inquiring on Jose Abreu.

https://nesn.com/2019/07/mlb-rumors-jose-abreu-being-monitored-by-red-sox-among-other-teams/

He's a free agent at the end of the season. Edited July 19, 2019 by a700hitter

[oldtimer]

Much of Chavis' WAR is fueled by his hot start. Abreu has a longer history.

 

I don't think we need to target a 1Bman

 

Chavis is on the learning curve, much ike Devers was last year. Whether he can learn to hit a high fastball more consistently remains to be seen, but there is hope. I haven't been a fan of trading for a rental FA to be and losing more quality prospects, especially when we are just struggling to make the WC. Abreu would be great to have in a Red Sox unifrom but under the circumstances of resources it seems like it is a pipe dream.

[vegasbob]

Chavis is on the learning curve, much ike Devers was last year. Whether he can learn to hit a high fastball more consistently remains to be seen, but there is hope. I haven't been a fan of trading for a rental FA to be and losing more quality prospects, especially when we are just struggling to make the WC. Abreu would be great to have in a Red Sox unifrom but under the circumstances of resources it seems like it is a pipe dream.

 

We are virtually assured Chavis will be a player on the 2020 Red Sox , probably at 1B . Moreland's eventual return may allow MC to get some time off, and keep Mitch whole for 2 months but Chavis needs to be learning at the MLB level and be graded accordingly. He could always be a piece in a bigger trade but I think he's here for the duration for multiple reason, not the least of which is control/cost.

[moonslav59]

We are virtually assured Chavis will be a player on the 2020 Red Sox , probably at 1B . Moreland's eventual return may allow MC to get some time off, and keep Mitch whole for 2 months but Chavis needs to be learning at the MLB level and be graded accordingly. He could always be a piece in a bigger trade but I think he's here for the duration for multiple reason, not the least of which is control/cost.

 

If we are indeed going to reset the tax this winter or next, we'll be keeping guys like Chavis who can play 2 positions that will be high need this winter.

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re not resetting this offseason. It ain’t happening. You’d have to rely on crap prospects to fill the holes and you’d have to say goodbye to multiple good talents. DD isn’t blowing it up. The Sox won 7 of their last 10 and are starting a 3 gamer vs the O’s. There’s a very good chance the Sox run their record to 10-3 in their last 13 before facing the Rays and Yanks. The Sox are 2 games back of Oakland for the final wild card spot.

[moonslav59]

You’re not resetting this offseason. It ain’t happening. You’d have to rely on crap prospects to fill the holes and you’d have to say goodbye to multiple good talents. DD isn’t blowing it up. The Sox won 7 of their last 10 and are starting a 3 gamer vs the O’s. There’s a very good chance the Sox run their record to 10-3 in their last 13 before facing the Rays and Yanks. The Sox are 2 games back of Oakland for the final wild card spot.

 

I'm leaning towards after next season, but maybe this year exposed the writing on the wall, whether we rebound or not.

 

We can reset by not re-signing any of our free agents, except maybe Holt and letting JD and/or JBJ go.

 

Anytime we reset, it's going to be an "off year." The sooner we do it, the sooner we may get back to respectability after a 1-2 year "cliff" or valley. That would be a few prospects or min wage FAs filling some holes, but if we then re-sign Betts, we'd have a strong core to build back up with, and a fresh new max line to cross.

 

[oldtimer]

I'm leaning towards after next season, but maybe this year exposed the writing on the wall, whether we rebound or not.

 

We can reset by not re-signing any of our free agents, except maybe Holt and letting JD and/or JBJ go.

 

Anytime we reset, it's going to be an "off year." The sooner we do it, the sooner we may get back to respectability after a 1-2 year "cliff" or valley. That would be a few prospects or min wage FAs filling some holes, but if we then re-sign Betts, we'd have a strong core to build back up with, and a fresh new max line to cross.

 

 

The cllock is ticking and the end of July is right around the corner. Its hard to believe this team can get it together enough to be a factor in the American League this year. DD no doubt has plans for each scenario but cutting the expenses by letting go of the soon to be free agents will help with the reset. I am not pushing to see JDM go. He is still a very viable DH, the question I have is whether any DH is worth the money he commands.

[a700hitter]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2846321-marcus-stroman-trade-rumors-red-sox-scouting-blue-jays-pitcher-friday

[Swiharts Ghost]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2846321-marcus-stroman-trade-rumors-red-sox-scouting-blue-jays-pitcher-friday

 

A700 !!!!! Great news !! That man has fire .

[YastrzemskI]

A700 !!!!! Great news !! That man has fire .

 

That would be big.

[Swiharts Ghost]

That would be big.

 

Guy would lift this bunch of sad sacks guaranteed

[moonslav59]

Assume we become sellers and look to reset next year, we could try something like this:

 

Trade all free agents to be who have any trade value and maybe bring back only Holt. Trade JD for the best offer. These moves are not being made to rebuild the farm to respectability. We won't get enough back for that, but it's a step in the right direction and allows us to reset the tax next season. Perhaps, we can look to compete as early as 2021 as we become big spenders again and possibly re-sign Betts.

 

2020 Projected budget & roster:

31M Price

~28M Betts (last arb)

26M Sale

20M Bogey

17M Eovaldi

14M Pedey

~10M JBJ (Arb 4 of 4)

~9M ERod (Arb 3 of 4)

~5M Beni (Arb 1 of 3)

4M Vaz

~4M Holt (re-signed)

~4M Workman (Arb 3 of 3)

~3M Barnes (Arb 2 of 3)

Minimum: Devers, Chavis, Taylor, Walden, Johnson, Velazquez, Marco, Brewer, Leon, DHern, Lin, Dalbec, Chatham & others

~2M Hembree (Arb 2 of 3)

 

We'd even have a few million to fill some slots with temporary fixes or 1 longer term moderate signing, especially if we traded JBJ, too.

 

SP: Price, Sale, ERod, Eovaldi, Johnson or Velazquez

RP: Workman, Barnes, Taylor, Hembree, Brewer, Walden, DHern, Brasier

C: Vaz & Leon

1B: Chavis & Travis (Dalbec)

2B: Holt & Marco (Chavis)

3B: Devers

SS: Bogey (Lin/Chatham)

LF: Beni

CF: JBJ

RF: Betts

DH: Dalbec (Chavis/Vaz)

 

[vegasbob]

If we are indeed going to reset the tax this winter or next, we'll be keeping guys like Chavis who can play 2 positions that will be high need this winter.

 

It needs to be reset this off season, as does the Betts calculation . the Red Sox could easily be in flux for the next 2 or 3 seasons depending on some contract resolutions, including JDM's options One unique situation is that the aging and less effective starting rotation of Price, Sale and Eovaldi (all under multi-year contracts) could sink this team for multi-years. Ed Rodriguez will only get more expensive as he goes through his arb years and he may be your ACE. Picture the Sox minus JBJr, JDM, Moreland, with Price, Sale and Eovaldi as your primary starters. Forget the BP, it is a year to year thing.

[notin]

A700 !!!!! Great news !! That man has fire .

 

The Sox have very little to offer for him...

[notin]

Guy would lift this bunch of sad sacks guaranteed

 

????

 

Like he has in Toronto?

 

He’s a good pitcher, but he isn't coming to Boston...

[jacksonianmarch]

No, he’s not. Gun to my head, he ends up in Houston

[notin]

No, he’s not. Gun to my head, he ends up in Houston

 

Or NY if they give up Garcia. The Frazier-Loasigia package won’t cut it

[Kimmi]

Last year Vazquez was out from July to Sept. 8 weeks exactly. Sale was out the majority of those Months also.

Sox were 32-10 in those Months, with Leon. Toughest Part of the year for a Catcher, and he did Damn good.

I never understand why Fans forget this.

 

Fans forget this because Leon's bat stinks. They sometimes tend to overlook the fact that there is more to a game than just offense.

[Kimmi]

Things are looking up, a little.

But, can we still trade Price?

 

Just when we think things are looking up a little...

 

I never liked the Price signing because of the contract, but outside of the contract, I am happy to have him on our team.

 

He does need to learn how to keep his mouth shut though.

[Kimmi]

Except for our bullpen. Hopefully, Eovaldi straightens that out. Without a quality pen, a sustained good run will be difficult.

 

That post was specifically about Thursday's game, in which our BP pitched 3 very good innings.

 

Again, you can complain about the pen all you want. The problems begin with the rotation though. No matter how good a pen is, it will not be able to do its job if the starters continue to pitch so poorly. And that includes Sale too.

 

Eovaldi should help the pen. He is not the answer to what ails the Sox though.

[jacksonianmarch]

Or NY if they give up Garcia. The Frazier-Loasigia package won’t cut it

 

Frazier as a headline will get us most players. I don’t think we are offering Frazier. Part of what is gonna make this team great for awhile is the alternating arb schedules. Having a prearb LF next year is a great thing. I don’t think we offer Frazier or Garcia unless we get a true ace. I like Stroman, but he doesn’t headline this rotation and between German, Tanaka and Paxton, he could slot anywhere from 1-4. That doesn’t even consider our actual ace, Severino. I’m not looking to deal big prospects for a guy who might be our playoff 4 when the POs roll out. The guys I empty the farm for are currently locked into wild card slots. Bauer and, to a greater extent, Scherzer are guys I pretty much ask the other team what they want and just say yes.

[Bellhorn04]

Frazier as a headline will get us most players. I don’t think we are offering Frazier.

 

Please. The guy seems to have a decent stick but he's an abominable outfielder. He's a DH.

[MADSTORK]

Sell

[moonslav59]

It needs to be reset this off season, as does the Betts calculation . the Red Sox could easily be in flux for the next 2 or 3 seasons depending on some contract resolutions, including JDM's options One unique situation is that the aging and less effective starting rotation of Price, Sale and Eovaldi (all under multi-year contracts) could sink this team for multi-years. Ed Rodriguez will only get more expensive as he goes through his arb years and he may be your ACE. Picture the Sox minus JBJr, JDM, Moreland, with Price, Sale and Eovaldi as your primary starters. Forget the BP, it is a year to year thing.

 

I doubt we do a total sell, something that may need to be done to rebuild the farm by having some top picks for 2-3 years, because Henry will always want at least a decent team on the field as we retool.

 

My guess is, we trade everyone who isn't viewed as a useful piece come 2021. That would mean JBJ and Betts (if not extended) along with the 2020 FAs to be.

 

We'd have to look at Price Sale and Eovaldi in light of 2021 and beyond. They may or may not be traded. We can reset while keeping many of our current stars- but not all.

[Bellhorn04]

Sell

 

Oh you're such a smarty-pants.

[a700hitter]

That post was specifically about Thursday's game, in which our BP pitched 3 very good innings.

 

Again, you can complain about the pen all you want. The problems begin with the rotation though. No matter how good a pen is, it will not be able to do its job if the starters continue to pitch so poorly. And that includes Sale too.

 

Eovaldi should help the pen. He is not the answer to what ails the Sox though.

The rotation has the talent and ability to pitch consistently well, but in today’s game they are not going more than 6 innings and occasionally 7 innings. The pen has livery little ability to pitch consistently well. There are only 2 major league arms out there. Unless Eovaldi gives the pen a huge shot in the arm, it will not matter how well the starters pitch as the bullpen can muck up their well pitched games. I can see the starters performing consistently, but not that group of minor league arms in the pen. If your pen sucks, it doesn’t matter what the starters do. Ask Jacob deGrom.

 

What ails the Red Sox is the bullpen. Hopefully, Eovaldi can fix that.

Edited July 22, 2019 by a700hitter

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Sell

 

Good sentence structure and no misspelled words. Surprising. However, you should have inserted a period, exclamation point or question mark after 'sell.'

Edited July 20, 2019 by SPLENDIDSPLINTER