2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[oldtimer]

I don't see any way that we can make this team a WS contender with anyone we can logically get through trades this year. After we get through the month of July, we should be in a position to say whether we can reasonably get into the PO picture or we go to plan B, with major changes to the team for 2020.

[moonslav59]

What does GM moonslav59 do to fix this team.... who are you trading, who are you signing long term.... with the trades who are you looking to bring back?

 

If I was the GM, I'd look to make a move or two like the Cashner deal. Far away prospects for two solid but not spectacular RP'ers.

 

I'd then get on the phones to set myself up for a big fire sale, if we don't show signs of life by the deadline.

 

I would not go over the max budget line. I would not make any blockbuster deal, until the team we have (after the 2 trades) determined which fork in the road we take at the deadline:

 

1. Do nothing and ride these horses to the end.

 

2. Have a massive sell-off looking to reset the tax in 2020 and be relevant again as soon as 2021. That would mean trading every FA to be that has value- Porcello, Moreland, Cashner, Holt (perhaps bringing him back this winter) and Pearce (likely no trade value, even if we pay 99% of his salary). I'd trade JBJ and even Betts, if I didn't think he'll extend with us. I'd trade Beni, if the return was good.

 

3. (Assuming #2 is chosen) I would not trade Sale with his stock this low. I would avoid trading Price, since I expect us to be good again by 2012, but he will be older then, so I'd listen to offers. I'd keep Bogey, Devers, ERod, Vaz and probably Barnes, Marco, Workman (FA after 2020) and maybe Chavis. For returns on trades, I'd look for young, cost-controlled players that will be ready or near ready by 2021. Reset the luxury tax in 2020 with the idea that we'd spend large in 2021, perhaps even going over the max line, which would not be as devastating as now, since it would be after a reset. Maybe extend Betts at that time. Maybe Sale bounces back by then.

 

I'm not advocating a fire sale, right now, but we have to be ready for it to happen. You can't just sell off everyone without planning it out.

 

[Noles_1335]

great work on that response.... 100% agree with you

[a700hitter]

[h=2]Mets To Place Zack Wheeler On Injured List[/h]

This will be an obstacle to the Mets trading him.

[mvp 78]

Still waiting for a “great post, but you’re wrong.”

 

Any day now.

[notin]

This will be an obstacle to the Mets trading him.

 

... which in turn brings down his price in free agency, as he will have a QO attached...

[oldtimer]

If I was the GM, I'd look to make a move or two like the Cashner deal. Far away prospects for two solid but not spectacular RP'ers.

 

I'd then get on the phones to set myself up for a big fire sale, if we don't show signs of life by the deadline.

 

I would not go over the max budget line. I would not make any blockbuster deal, until the team we have (after the 2 trades) determined which fork in the road we take at the deadline:

 

1. Do nothing and ride these horses to the end.

 

2. Have a massive sell-off looking to reset the tax in 2020 and be relevant again as soon as 2021. That would mean trading every FA to be that has value- Porcello, Moreland, Cashner, Holt (perhaps bringing him back this winter) and Pearce (likely no trade value, even if we pay 99% of his salary). I'd trade JBJ and even Betts, if I didn't think he'll extend with us. I'd trade Beni, if the return was good.

 

3. (Assuming #2 is chosen) I would not trade Sale with his stock this low. I would avoid trading Price, since I expect us to be good again by 2012, but he will be older then, so I'd listen to offers. I'd keep Bogey, Devers, ERod, Vaz and probably Barnes, Marco, Workman (FA after 2020) and maybe Chavis. For returns on trades, I'd look for young, cost-controlled players that will be ready or near ready by 2021. Reset the luxury tax in 2020 with the idea that we'd spend large in 2021, perhaps even going over the max line, which would not be as devastating as now, since it would be after a reset. Maybe extend Betts at that time. Maybe Sale bounces back by then.

 

I'm not advocating a fire sale, right now, but we have to be ready for it to happen. You can't just sell off everyone without planning it out.

 

 

Generally you are on the same wavelength that I have been on for some time. I would add that the time to make a decision on the direction for 2020 and beyond is the end of July. We will play both the Yankees and the Rays by then, The trading deadline will have passed and we will know if we have a realistic chance of making the POs and of any hope of making some noise after a WC game.

 

If after Aug 1st we decide we have to sell, I would bring some of our best prospects up to get a sustained look at them for either a low cost alternative next season or for trade bait.

 

My absolute keepers are Bogie, Devers and Vaz. My probable keepers are Beni, Holt, JDM if he doesn't opt out, Betts if he is willing to accept his true value in a contract, Marco, and Chavis. I listen to offers on any of those and particularly the ones making serious money. To me JBJ should be trade bait as he is likely to command serious money and his worth is questionable. Moreland is gone based on his inability to stay healthy, Pearce has nothing left, Nunez is gone as is Leon if we can get a replacement that can hit at all.

 

The pitching side is pretty open with more to be seen. We have Price and e-Rod havig good years, Sale under contract, Porcello is probably not worth what we would have to pay. Eovaldi is under contract and worth a look through the end of the season. Cashner is a FA but again we can look at him through the remainder of the season and offer him if he looks like a 4th or 5th starter. The BP need shoring up. We have some decent arms (not heads) in the pen like Barnes, Workman and Hembree. Do we keep Eovladi there or does he return to starting with time to prepare for the new season? I would look for several BP arms, including a closer.

 

My idea is to bring the team salary below the 1st level of the competitive balance tax by making strategic trades and trying to get some good young players who can come on in 2021.

[Bellhorn04]

Generally you are on the same wavelength that I have been on for some time. I would add that the time to make a decision on the direction for 2020 and beyond is the end of July. We will play both the Yankees and the Rays by then, The trading deadline will have passed and we will know if we have a realistic chance of making the POs and of any hope of making some noise after a WC game.

 

If after Aug 1st we decide we have to sell, I would bring some of our best prospects up to get a sustained look at them for either a low cost alternative next season or for trade bait.

 

Starting with 2019 there are no trades after July 31.

[harmony]

Could Andrew Cashner be trade bait if the Red Sox struggle in the eight or nine games against the Rays and Yankees leading up to the July 31 trade deadline?

 

If so, could the Red Sox get more back in a trade than the Sox gave up in the July 13 trade for Cashner?

[Bellhorn04]

Could Andrew Cashner be trade bait if the Red Sox struggle in the eight or nine games against the Rays and Yankees leading up to the July 31 trade deadline?

 

If so, could the Red Sox get more back in a trade than the Sox gave up in the July 13 trade for Cashner?

 

Maybe and maybe.

[notin]

Could Andrew Cashner be trade bait if the Red Sox struggle in the eight or nine games against the Rays and Yankees leading up to the July 31 trade deadline?

 

If so, could the Red Sox get more in a trade than the Sox gave up in the July 13 trade for Cashner?

 

Yes and probably not..,

[Swiharts Ghost]

Yes and probably not..,

 

We are 1 bat and one reliever away from another Worldseries .

[moonslav59]

We are 1 bat and one reliever away from another Worldseries .

 

We don't need a bat. We just need the ones we have to hit better when it matters.

 

You can't trade for clutch.

 

 

 

We need 2 pitchers, and that's beyond Eovalid's return. At this moment, we have D Hern & Ryan Weber on the 25 man roster. Those are easily the worst two players on the roster. Okay, maybe Johnson or Wright can replace one of them, but Walden needs to go down, too.

 

Okay, Travis may be one of the bottom 4 on the roster, but Moreland will replace him.

 

What hitter do we get, and where does he play?

 

You want to bench JBJ? He's one of our hottest players over the last 2 months, and he's a great fielder. You want to bench or trade Beni? Chavis?

 

Getting a batter is the last thing we need.

 

[moonslav59]

Could Andrew Cashner be trade bait if the Red Sox struggle in the eight or nine games against the Rays and Yankees leading up to the July 31 trade deadline?

 

If so, could the Red Sox get more back in a trade than the Sox gave up in the July 13 trade for Cashner?

 

Yes.

 

Maybe.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Everyone not named Devers Xander and Mookie are for sale sell the lot of em

[Swiharts Ghost]

s*** sell the locking room furniture while there at it

[Noles_1335]

It’s time to rebuild... hell, if we even make a WC at this point it would be a joke! Let’s get our farm system back to having MLB talent to pull from and look on to the future!

[moonslav59]

Everyone not named Devers Xander and Mookie are for sale sell the lot of em

 

Add Vaz and ERod.

[notin]

Everyone not named Devers Xander and Mookie are for sale sell the lot of em

 

Mookie is absolutely for sale,

 

The Sox should try to move as many of Betts, Porcello, Cashner, Hembree, and maybe Barnes as possible. Pearce, Moreland and Holt are probably not worth trying to move.

[moonslav59]

Mookie is absolutely for sale,

 

The Sox should try to move as many of Betts, Porcello, Cashner, Hembree, and maybe Barnes as possible. Pearce, Moreland and Holt are probably not worth trying to move.

 

Anything we can get for Moreland and Holt is better than nothing.

 

We can re-sign Holt, if we want him back.

[notin]

Anything we can get for Moreland and Holt is better than nothing.

 

We can re-sign Holt, if we want him back.

 

Anything that can be had for Moreland and Holt isn’t worth the phone call. Not at first.

 

Sell the other names first. Cashner can be a lower priority as well...

[Bellhorn04]

We are 1 bat and one reliever away from another Worldseries .

 

Everyone not named Devers Xander and Mookie are for sale sell the lot of em

 

LOL what a difference a few hours makes, huh?

[jacksonianmarch]

Guys, you keep talking about rebuilding. You cannot rebuild. DD traded everything in the minors not nailed down. Your farm is 30th in baseball and the gap from 29 to 30 is wide. I read a recent report on the Sox minor league system that essentially said the talent pool is thin and the upper level prospects are flawed. DD has decimated your farm. When you go to Portland, the earth is salted and the land scorched to the ground with the smoke still apparent. Rebuilding entails a minor league system you plan to hand the reigns to. That doesn’t exist in Boston. DD’s drafts have been horrible. His lack of presence in the DR or IFA realm is puzzling. His penchant for dealing anyone in the minors with the pulse is still going. He sold out for this window. He got the title, so it was worth it. But the cliff is coming and no way DD pushes his team off of it. He’s gonna prop up the mountain as high as he can and the fall will be long and deep

[S5Dewey]

Anything we can get for Moreland and Holt is better than nothing.

 

We can re-sign Holt, if we want him back.

 

Why are you so down on Brock Holt?? He has an OPS >.800 and he's a bench player with the ability to play anyplace, all for $3.5M. He's not the reason this team is losing. Offensively and defensively this team is good enough to be in the thick of things. The team is losing because of the pitching staff.

[Bellhorn04]

Guys, you keep talking about rebuilding. You cannot rebuild. DD traded everything in the minors not nailed down. Your farm is 30th in baseball and the gap from 29 to 30 is wide. I read a recent report on the Sox minor league system that essentially said the talent pool is thin and the upper level prospects are flawed. DD has decimated your farm. When you go to Portland, the earth is salted and the land scorched to the ground with the smoke still apparent. Rebuilding entails a minor league system you plan to hand the reigns to. That doesn’t exist in Boston. DD’s drafts have been horrible. His lack of presence in the DR or IFA realm is puzzling. His penchant for dealing anyone in the minors with the pulse is still going. He sold out for this window. He got the title, so it was worth it. But the cliff is coming and no way DD pushes his team off of it. He’s gonna prop up the mountain as high as he can and the fall will be long and deep

 

Condensed version:

 

Guys, you're f***ed. So suck on it. Hahahahahahahahaha

[jung]

Guys, you keep talking about rebuilding. You cannot rebuild. DD traded everything in the minors not nailed down. Your farm is 30th in baseball and the gap from 29 to 30 is wide. I read a recent report on the Sox minor league system that essentially said the talent pool is thin and the upper level prospects are flawed. DD has decimated your farm. When you go to Portland, the earth is salted and the land scorched to the ground with the smoke still apparent. Rebuilding entails a minor league system you plan to hand the reigns to. That doesn’t exist in Boston. DD’s drafts have been horrible. His lack of presence in the DR or IFA realm is puzzling. His penchant for dealing anyone in the minors with the pulse is still going. He sold out for this window. He got the title, so it was worth it. But the cliff is coming and no way DD pushes his team off of it. He’s gonna prop up the mountain as high as he can and the fall will be long and deep

 

I suspect John Henry is going to push DD off HIS particular mountain soon enough. Clearly Henry is already exerting some control and doing it just after winning a WC. Hardly could have expected him to jump in sooner than he has. It is likely clear to John Henry that DD has not really changed his stripes and will decimate Henry's budget and will never allow the farm system to flourish. Yes Henry hired him to bring us another championship by adding to the team's core pitching and young stars. He has done that. Now Henry is stuck with a looooooong arduous management job over his Pres of Baseball Ops and I very seriously doubt Henry is interested in that.

[OH FOY]

Guys, you keep talking about rebuilding. You cannot rebuild. DD traded everything in the minors not nailed down. Your farm is 30th in baseball and the gap from 29 to 30 is wide. I read a recent report on the Sox minor league system that essentially said the talent pool is thin and the upper level prospects are flawed. DD has decimated your farm. When you go to Portland, the earth is salted and the land scorched to the ground with the smoke still apparent. Rebuilding entails a minor league system you plan to hand the reigns to. That doesn’t exist in Boston. DD’s drafts have been horrible. His lack of presence in the DR or IFA realm is puzzling. His penchant for dealing anyone in the minors with the pulse is still going. He sold out for this window. He got the title, so it was worth it. But the cliff is coming and no way DD pushes his team off of it. He’s gonna prop up the mountain as high as he can and the fall will be long and deep

 

This man is correct, but he didn't say what the real problem is, you can find positional players, its Pitching that's the problem with our Farm.

Ranked 27th at beginning of season.

Porcello leaving, Sale declining, Price good, but for only 6 innings now. Nothing in the Farm to help out at the Major League level.

So you can say keep all these guys, but Sox need to gamble, and sell high on guys that might have question marks towards next season, to get Young Pitching back.

Vazquez, Chavis, and move Betts, that's how you make a serious move get young Pitching Talent back. That's if your selling on this season. If not get ready to pay for Major League arms, only way to get it otherwise.

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/farm-system-pitcher-rankings-30-21/c-304041368

Edited July 17, 2019 by OH FOY!

[notin]

Guys, you keep talking about rebuilding. You cannot rebuild. DD traded everything in the minors not nailed down. Your farm is 30th in baseball and the gap from 29 to 30 is wide. I read a recent report on the Sox minor league system that essentially said the talent pool is thin and the upper level prospects are flawed. DD has decimated your farm. When you go to Portland, the earth is salted and the land scorched to the ground with the smoke still apparent. Rebuilding entails a minor league system you plan to hand the reigns to. That doesn’t exist in Boston. DD’s drafts have been horrible. His lack of presence in the DR or IFA realm is puzzling. His penchant for dealing anyone in the minors with the pulse is still going. He sold out for this window. He got the title, so it was worth it. But the cliff is coming and no way DD pushes his team off of it. He’s gonna prop up the mountain as high as he can and the fall will be long and deep

 

Which is how rebuilding works. You trade veterans for farm help and work back up by either developing that farm help or flipping the pieces for other major leaguers with more control.

[dgalehouse]

LOL what a difference a few hours makes, huh?

 

Another chapter in the ongoing soap opera , " As the Game Thread turns " . Tune in tomorrow for unbridled hope and joy or utter despair . Maybe both .

[jacksonianmarch]

Which is how rebuilding works. You trade veterans for farm help and work back up by either developing that farm help or flipping the pieces for other major leaguers with more control.

 

Rebuilding entails having some depth in your farm to hand the reigns over to. There is nobody in that farm system likely to lead the next chapter. Yes, you can deal off some parts, but there’s no way your GM is gonna deal off guys who will actually return something. If you deal off your rentals, you’ll get scraps. Now, deal Mookie? Then you might be talking about something, but that won’t be enough to rejuvenate a farm that has been raped, pillaged and neglected for four years now.

 

I know you guys think DD has a Chapman deal in him, but that deal was one of many at the time. We had a .300 hitter on his way to 30 homers in Beltran. We had a lock down closer in Chap. We had a shut down reliever in Miller. We dealt all three off for a good return. But we also had Judge, Sanchez, Sevy, Andujar, Montgomery, Bird, and others home grown and MLB ready. This is what you lack. We added to a wave that was coming. There is no wave in The Sox MiLB