2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[notin]

The highlighted point on Dalbec is interesting and makes me think the Red Sox and Mets match up fairly well.

 

Dalbec is a quality 3b prospect not only due to his power but his defense. The Mets could use him next year.

 

I would like to see the Red Sox expand the Diaz deal to include Wheeler and D.Smith. To achieve that, it is conceivable that the Red Sox could trade Porcello to a third team (one of the NL teams looking for pitching) for a so-so prospect.

 

Other players that could be included in a package with the Mets: Duran, Wilson, D.Reyes, T.Ward. It is hard to gauge the Mets interest in a CF--they are considering moving Rosario to CF next year and Gimenez, an elite defender at SS, is already at Double A (his offense is far behind his glove, however).

 

To make this deal work, maybe take out Wheeler and keep Porcello? In this scenario, the Red Sox would be trading for Diaz and Smith, and the Mets would acquire Dalbec and a few other pieces.

 

In another media report that I can no longer find, it was suggested that J.Groome could be involved in the deal. I would hate to give up Groome but I would do it for D.Smith: Diaz, Wheeler, and Smith to the Red Sox for Dalbec, Groome, Reyes, and another player.

 

If you use the values on http://www.baseballtradevalues.com, a package of Dalbec, Groome and Reyes (total value: 18) could get Wheeler and Smith (total value: 19.5). But is far short of acquiring Edwin Diaz (value: 47.3) in the same deal....

[dannycater]

Everytime I see "Dalbec" I think of Brian Daubach and his affinity for dazzling us with power and then not dazzling us with epic slumps.

[notin]

Everytime I see "Dalbec" I think of Brian Daubach and his affinity for dazzling us with power and then not dazzling us with epic slumps.

 

You’re on to him.

 

There is no such person as “Bobby Dalbec.” It’s the Bellville Basher himself trying to sneak back into MLB under an assumed (and very unimaginative) identity...

[harmony]

FWIW, this trade simulator gives a trade of Andrew Benintendi and Ryan Brasier for Edwin Diaz and Zack Wheeler precisely $58.5 million in surplus value on each side:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

[a700hitter]

[h=1]Red Sox, Mets Have Discussed Edwin Diaz[/h]By Steve Adams | July 29, 2019 at 12:33pm CDT

As the Red Sox continue their search for bullpen help and the Mets continue to puzzle onlookers, the two teams have been in touch about a potential Edwin Diaz deal. ESPN’s Buster Olney tweeted early this morning that third base prospect Bobby Dalbec or corner infielder Triston Casas would likely be targeted as the centerpiece of any deal by the Mets. Mark Feinsand of MLB.com tweets that Boston has indeed discussed a possible Diaz swap with the Mets, though, adding that the Red Sox are likely to add at least one, if not two relievers in the coming days. SNY’s Andy Martino tweets that there’s “nothing hot” between the two sides at the moment, however.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Diaz is moved, the Mets will get a big package. If he actually hits the market, I wonder if the sox could compete with the offers that will be there from Minnesota or the Dodgers. Remember, Jansen can opt out after this year and Diaz might be the heir apparent should he go

[dgalehouse]

I would trade Dalbec for Diaz in one minute . Hard to believe the Mets won't get a better offer than that .

[jacksonianmarch]

I would trade Dalbec for Diaz in one minute . Hard to believe the Mets won't get a better offer than that .

 

That's what I am saying.

 

On the SP front, all is quiet. The Mets dumped Vargas, but he sucked anyway. Thor looks to be on the outs, but I doubt the Mets deal him in-season. I also wonder if they keep him, tag him with DeGrom and Stroman and run through the NL East next year. If that is the plan, then keeping Diaz would make more sense.

[moonslav59]

Diaz should cost way more than Dalbec.

 

[notin]

Diaz should cost way more than Dalbec.

 

 

http://www.baseballtradevalues.com has Diaz well over three times as valuable as Dalbec, and roughly equal to Dodger prospects Dustin May and Gavin Lux...

[notin]

That's what I am saying.

 

On the SP front, all is quiet. The Mets dumped Vargas, but he sucked anyway. Thor looks to be on the outs, but I doubt the Mets deal him in-season. I also wonder if they keep him, tag him with DeGrom and Stroman and run through the NL East next year. If that is the plan, then keeping Diaz would make more sense.

 

I wonder if they keep Stroman.

 

Toronto foolishly took a light package early. The Mets might be able to flip Stroman for better prospects once the dust starts settling...

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks are willing to deal Andujar. That might tip some scales

[jacksonianmarch]

I wonder if they keep Stroman.

 

Toronto foolishly took a light package early. The Mets might be able to flip Stroman for better prospects once the dust starts settling...

 

That's what I am wondering. I wonder if the Mets saw a player that would fit well in their park who they could hang onto, see his numbers jump further then either sell him for something big in the offseason or team him up with DeGrom and Thor and hammer through next year.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I would trade Dalbec for Diaz in one minute . Hard to believe the Mets won't get a better offer than that .

 

I wouldn't trade Dalbec for Diaz. I would, however, trade Dalbec for D.Smith straight up.

 

Diaz scares me. I've watched a lot of Mets games and I don't like what I've seen from him. It wouldn't surprise me if something physical is behind his declining performance, like maybe a year from now he will have a shoulder issue or something like that. I'm not sold on the idea that the Red Sox can easily fix him.

 

I would consider Stroman a more valuable talent and trade commodity (than Diaz) and the Blue Jays moved him for two pretty good, but not elite, starting pitching prospects. If the Mets could acquire Stroman for that kind of offer, how much can Diaz be worth?

[jacksonianmarch]

I wouldn't trade Dalbec for Diaz. I would, however, trade Dalbec for D.Smith straight up.

 

Diaz scares me. I've watched a lot of Mets games and I don't like what I've seen from him. It wouldn't surprise me if something physical is behind his declining performance, like maybe a year from now he will have a shoulder issue or something like that. I'm not sold on the idea that the Red Sox can easily fix him.

 

I would consider Stroman a more valuable talent and trade commodity (than Diaz) and the Blue Jays moved him for two pretty good, but not elite, starting pitching prospects. If the Mets could acquire Stroman for that kind of offer, how much can Diaz be worth?

 

Diaz is on league minimum with 3 more years of control. His fastball velocity has shown no sign of regression and his BABIP is almost .400. He's been exceedingly unlucky. Whomever acquires Diaz may be acquiring an ace closer, but they may not see it until next season

[jung]

I would give Chavis for Diaz though even that might not be enough. Chavis is not going to help the Red Sox win some future championship and Diaz might just get the Sox over the hill in a WC run to the ALCS. Dalbec or Chavis for Diaz would be fine with me.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Diaz is on league minimum with 3 more years of control. His fastball velocity has shown no sign of regression and his BABIP is almost .400. He's been exceedingly unlucky. Whomever acquires Diaz may be acquiring an ace closer, but they may not see it until next season

 

I understand that his peripherals are there, but his HR per nine is up and I think the HR increase is due to hanging his slider. The question is, why is he hanging his slider so much and thus giving up more HRs? Some have said it is a mechanical issue, but I wonder if it is something physical that will eventually manifest itself.

 

Also, BABIP is a useless stat without looking at hard contact percentage.

 

In any event, our positions sum up the debate on Diaz pretty well and the risk involved in trading for him.

Edited July 30, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[harmony]

I would give Chavis for Diaz though even that might not be enough. Chavis is not going to help the Red Sox win some future championship and Diaz might just get the Sox over the hill in a WC run to the ALCS. Dalbec or Chavis for Diaz would be fine with me.

This trade simulator gives surplus values of $47.3 million for Edwin Diaz, $12.1 million for Michael Chavis and $13.2 million for Bobby Dalbec:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

[fxkatt]

Diaz is on league minimum with 3 more years of control. His fastball velocity has shown no sign of regression and his BABIP is almost .400. He's been exceedingly unlucky. Whomever acquires Diaz may be acquiring an ace closer, but they may not see it until next season

 

So, why are the Mets offering Diaz when they just signed Stroman and thus must be positioning themselves for Next Year.

[harmony]

So, why are the Mets offering Diaz when they just signed Stroman and thus must be positioning themselves for Next Year.

Have the Mets offered Edwin Diaz? Or have the Mets simply fielded inquiries about Diaz?

 

[jacksonianmarch]

No clue. I cannot predict anything the Mets do. They make no sense

[fxkatt]

No clue. I cannot predict anything the Mets do. They make no sense

 

Speaking of the Mets... Vargas to Philly for a 26 year old minor league catcher.

[Swiharts Ghost]

No clue. I cannot predict anything the Mets do. They make no sense

 

Redsox should not trade Chavis he's one of the only bright spots we have going forward .Stand pat if that's the price .

[moonslav59]

Redsox should not trade Chavis he's one of the only bright spots we have going forward .Stand pat if that's the price .

 

Are you concerned that Chavis's numbers are largely driven by just his first 15 games?

 

First 15 games:

.333 6 13 (.460 OBP/1.186 OPS)

 

Last 68 games (281 PAs):

.246 10 42 (.302 OBP/.702 OPS)

 

I'd trade Chavis in a heartbeat, if we got a better player under team control for several year.

 

[jung]

This trade simulator gives surplus values of $47.3 million for Edwin Diaz, $12.1 million for Michael Chavis and $13.2 million for Bobby Dalbec:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

I might not have been so willing on Diaz or any other Closer for that matter until the Yankees suffered another round of injuries. Adding LeMahieu, Gardner, Sanchez, CC to the already long list of Betances, Bird, Andujar Severino and Stanton has really been a killer for them. Before we get all excited about taking 3/4 who were we missing from our roster for that series....Pearce, Wright, Johnson???? Big deal!

 

The Yanks have proven they can win without Stanton, Bird, Andujar. LeMahieu, Gardner, Sanchez, Betances are another story. Not sure how many key pieces they get back to their puzzle for the stretch run nor how long it will take to get them back into playing shape. Suddenly looks more than possible to get past them in a series with a solid Closer in our stable. Even if they get those pieces back, they need another Starter IMO.

Edited July 30, 2019 by jung

[notin]

Yanks are willing to deal Andujar. That might tip some scales

 

Won’t get you Bauer. But it might get you Boyd...

[notin]

So, why are the Mets offering Diaz when they just signed Stroman and thus must be positioning themselves for Next Year.

 

Because BVW is acting like a kid trading baseball cards and NOT an MLB GM with a clue?

 

True story - Steve Matz was injured earlier this year when BVW jammed him into the spokes of his bicycle. Didn’t get the motorcycle sound he wanted. Unless he likes motorcycles that scream in agony...

[jacksonianmarch]

Won’t get you Bauer. But it might get you Boyd...

 

Andujar tips the scales over most anyone. He’s controllable for four more years and was second in ROY voting last year. He’s a legit middle of the order hitter. The biggest question on Bauer is if the Guardians are actually looking to deal him. I’ve been baited into the thought, but with Kluber and Carrasco still down, I have a hard time believing they’re gonna deal their most reliable starter when they’re 2 back of the Twins and firmly sitting in the 1st WC slot

[Swiharts Ghost]

Are you concerned that Chavis's numbers are largely driven by just his first 15 games?

 

First 15 games:

.333 6 13 (.460 OBP/1.186 OPS)

 

Last 68 games (281 PAs):

.246 10 42 (.302 OBP/.702 OPS)

 

I'd trade Chavis in a heartbeat, if we got a better player under team control for several year.

Now if they can get Diaz and the human DL malcontent yes I'd have to do it .

 

I would not trade Chavis for a reliever or Syndergaard who looks to be on the DL way to much .History should tell us to learn from past mistakes .Chavis may never be A certain Hall of famer we traded that starts with B but that swing and that power is undeniable .Scherzer ? Let's talk .Chavis is not willy mo Pena either , Chavis is a damn good player .Can we give the kid a break also ? The guys not a 5 year vet he's a rookie ....260 -16-55 RBI now those are the numbers I give a s*** about .Projection of 265 -24-80 for a rookie ? You want to trade away 24 jacks and 80 RBI ? Yeah I'm keeping the kid .s*** they can have Benny .how did my last sentence end up in your bolded lol yikes ? IT !!!! To the board stat .

Edited July 30, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder if they keep Stroman.

 

Toronto foolishly took a light package early. The Mets might be able to flip Stroman for better prospects once the dust starts settling...

 

Why would the Jays do that, I wonder? It's been known they were looking to move Stroman for months now. You have to think they weren't being thrilled by the other offers.

 

Strange days out there...