2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[harmony]

The New York Mets reportedly may package starter Zack Wheeler and closer Edwin Diaz in a trade:

 

https://nypost.com/2019/07/27/mets-may-make-zack-wheeler-edwin-diaz-a-deadline-package/

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I'm not sure if I understand the three way trade rumor that would send Syndegaard to the Padres, the Padres send prospects to the Blue Jays, and the Blue Jays send Stroman to the Mets. What would be the point of that trade for the Mets? I understand what the Padres and Blue Jays are thinking.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Got it figured out. Dalbec, Duran, and D.Hernandez to the Mets for Diaz, Wheeler (rental), and D.Smith.

 

However, I would rather see the Red Sox keep D.Hernandez and include another pitcher in the trade such as T.Ward or D.Reyes.

[harmony]

Got it figured out. Dalbec, Duran, and D.Hernandez to the Mets for Diaz, Wheeler (rental), and D.Smith.

 

However, I would rather see the Red Sox keep D.Hernandez and include another pitcher in the trade such as T.Ward or D.Reyes.

According to this trade simulator, under that proposal the Red Sox would receive $66.4 million in value and the Mets $25.6 million in value:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

That's more than a tad lopsided.

[jacksonianmarch]

You’re not getting any more rotation help. If you’re gonna go out and deal for a starter, you’re gonna get a guy who will crack your PO rotation. As it stands right now, Price, Sale, ERod and Cashner are your 4 in a PO series. Marginally upgrading with Wheeler makes no sense just to push out Porcello. I also don’t see the Sox trying to fix Diaz. I see the Sox selling out at this point for Ken Giles. Will Smith is looking less available as the Giants are gonna go for it

[notin]

You’re not getting any more rotation help. If you’re gonna go out and deal for a starter, you’re gonna get a guy who will crack your PO rotation. As it stands right now, Price, Sale, ERod and Cashner are your 4 in a PO series. Marginally upgrading with Wheeler makes no sense just to push out Porcello. I also don’t see the Sox trying to fix Diaz. I see the Sox selling out at this point for Ken Giles. Will Smith is looking less available as the Giants are gonna go for it

 

Don’t forget about Shane Greene; Dombrowski has traded for him before...

[moonslav59]

You’re not getting any more rotation help. If you’re gonna go out and deal for a starter, you’re gonna get a guy who will crack your PO rotation. As it stands right now, Price, Sale, ERod and Cashner are your 4 in a PO series. Marginally upgrading with Wheeler makes no sense just to push out Porcello. I also don’t see the Sox trying to fix Diaz. I see the Sox selling out at this point for Ken Giles. Will Smith is looking less available as the Giants are gonna go for it

 

We are going to stick with Porcello & Cashner.

 

I think we trade for one solid RP'er without giving up a top near ML ready prospect. (Yes, it can be done. Look want we got Cashner for.)

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Cashman talked to the media yesterday and was bitching about the cost for starting pitching. It is clearly a seller's market. The problem with the Yankees now is that they don't have a good enough farm system to pull off a trade for a top starter. The Yankees don't have the prospect resources beyond D.Garcia. The Yankees are offering Frazier and Florial to anyone who will listen, but Frazier is a poor defensive outfielder and Florial isn't hitting. To make a trade for a guy like Stroman, the Yankees will need to include a major league piece, such as Torres. Maybe the Yankees can put a deal together involving Garcia and Andujar, that might be the compromise. But Cashman doesn't like making deals unless he can squeeze the other team to death. I'm not sure if he can compromise.

 

If the Yankees don't come out of the trade deadline with a top starter, and the Yankees go on to lose in the playoffs due to a lack of starting pitching, the Steinbrenners really need to consider replacing Cashman. Just as Cashman concluded that Joe Girardi wasn't the guy to take the Yankees over the top, maybe Cashman isn't the guy to put the final pieces in place for a championship. Historically, Cashman has made brutal decisions on the starting pitching front. In the offseason, Cashman found his new Sonny Gray in James Paxton, signed a loser in JA Happ, and inexplicably passed on signing P.Corbin. At the time, I called out Cashman for his failure to sign Corbin and I continue to highlight the error.

 

Paxton, 95 ERA+, 0.3 WAR

Happ, 86 ERA+, 0.5 WAR

Corbin 140 ERA+, 3.7 WAR

 

I recently heard a fascinating thing about the Yankees. If the Yankees don't make the World Series this year, this will be the first decade in their history that they didn't play in a World Series game. Could that be right? I immediately thought of the 1980s, but the Yankees lost to the Dodgers in the World Series in 1981. We know about the 1970s and 1990s and the 2009 championship. Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure the Yankees played against the Pirates in the World Series in the early 1960s (I think the Yankees lost?). Obviously, the Yankees dominated baseball in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, with guys like Gehrig, Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle. And so maybe it is true: the 2010s might be the first decade that the Yankees don't play in a World Series game.

 

That is a sad state of affairs for an organization that outspends just about every other MLB team, providing the Yankees with clear and indisputable competitive advantages. Such facts reflect poorly on the guy who is responsible for the organization's personnel decisions.

 

Thanks for providing accurate background info, Illinois and Notin, and for clarifying the situation. The point on Yankees stadium is a good one. Another way of putting it:

 

The Yankees are in danger of going an entire decade without reaching a World Series for the first time since the 1910s.

LINK: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2018/10/10/yankees-in-danger-of-decade-without-world-series/38117671/

 

Amazing: if the Yankees don't play in the World Series this year, this will be the first time in 100 years that this has happened. All told, this really speaks to Brian Cashman's deficiencies as a general manager.

Edited July 28, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[bosoxmal]

To DD: Check Sanchez (p) from Totonto. 4 innings today, one hit 8 k's/ Record a disaster and looks like Pedro today. ( N;ister issue solved?

 

Maybe it's the gum! He fanned the first 6, but id settlimg down/

Edited July 28, 2019 by bosoxmal

[moonslav59]

MLBTR suggests....

 

Red Sox: Mariners RHP Anthony Bass

 

This one is tricky since the Red Sox do not have a deep farm system and probably are going to have to go for an arm that adds depth.

[harmony]

MLBTR suggests....

 

Red Sox: Mariners RHP Anthony Bass

 

This one is tricky since the Red Sox do not have a deep farm system and probably are going to have to go for an arm that adds depth.

17 Trade Deadline proposals for contenders

WWW.MLB.COM

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Astros president of baseball operations Jeff Luhnow last week outlined his Trade Deadline wish list: Catcher, starting pitcher, left-handed reliever. Really, Jeff? Is that all? How about we throw in a weekend in Maui? Meanwhile, his Dodgers counterpart, Andrew Friedman, said he intended to be aggressive as usual before adding

[Swiharts Ghost]

17 Trade Deadline proposals for contenders

WWW.MLB.COM

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Astros president of baseball operations Jeff Luhnow last week outlined his Trade Deadline wish list: Catcher, starting pitcher, left-handed reliever. Really, Jeff? Is that all? How about we throw in a weekend in Maui? Meanwhile, his Dodgers counterpart, Andrew Friedman, said he intended to be aggressive as usual before adding

 

Harmony this mets trade kind of makes me think there's another shoe to drop .I also think we are involved both to screw the Astros and the Yankees two teams the Mets and Redsox want to one up .The mets blocked Houston and cross town rival from getting another plus arm .Darwin ,Dalby ,Casas is just a guess maybe one more AA arm....or maybe Diaz and wheeler ? One of these is happening you can feel it .

Edited July 28, 2019 by Swiharts Ghost

[oldtimer]

Harmony this mets trade kind of makes me think there's another shoe to drop .I also think we are involved both to screw the Astros and the Yankees two teams the Mets and Redsox want to one up .The mets blocked Houston and cross town rival from getting another plus arm .Darwin ,Dalby ,Casas is just a guess maybe one more AA arm....or maybe Diaz and wheeler ? One of these is happening you can feel it .

 

Just wait and see. Those are major trades and other clubs will also be after top level pitching talent. I won't be disappointed if we are able to get one functional BP guy.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Just wait and see. Those are major trades and other clubs will also be after top level pitching talent. I won't be disappointed if we are able to get one functional BP guy.

 

We have a lot in Common this deadline the most important thing ? Derailing The Yankees .The Hatred runs deep .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Noah's contract up in 2020 same year Betts is right ? Sure seems like if Dave wanted to make a real sprint for a back to back this would be the move .

[Swiharts Ghost]

Mets need a CF .Could Benny be there target ? Maybe Dalby gets called up ?

[harmony]

MLBTR suggests....

 

Red Sox: Mariners RHP Anthony Bass

 

This one is tricky since the Red Sox do not have a deep farm system and probably are going to have to go for an arm that adds depth.

Seattle relievers Anthony Bass and Hunter Strickland pitched scoreless, hitless, walkless innings Sunday as the Mariners completed a four-game sweep of the lowly Tigers:

 

MLB Gameday: Tigers 2, Mariners 3 Final Score (07/28/2019) | MLB.com

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Follow MLB results with FREE box scores, pitch-by-pitch strikezone info, and Statcast data for Tigers vs. Mariners at T-Mobile Park

[TylerD]

Ok offense let’s help Sale out.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Seems to me again we can't afford Sandy Leon in this lineup .Not against a plus pitcher .I would yank him out now and put Vaz in.Sandy Is so overrated it's paethetic .

[notin]

Noah's contract up in 2020 same year Betts is right ? Sure seems like if Dave wanted to make a real sprint for a back to back this would be the move .

 

Syndergaard is controlled through 2021

[Swiharts Ghost]

Syndergaard is controlled through 2021

 

Thankyou Notin ! That's good I wonder now if Todd Frazier may be apart of the deal ? Maybe insurance for Pearce ? Backup Devers and DH Abit maybe 1b on occasion ? Pinch hitter . I do think the at bats could be there and the guy has some pull power at Fenway .Just a thought .Diaz and Frazier kindof a fit .

[moonslav59]

Seems to me again we can't afford Sandy Leon in this lineup .Not against a plus pitcher .I would yank him out now and put Vaz in.Sandy Is so overrated it's paethetic .

 

He's so under-rated, it is pathetic. Also, Vaz cannot catch every game. If he did, his offense would suffer.

 

Vaz is having a great year, offensively, but he'd have to hit .500 to make up for this:

 

Sale:

w Leon 3.49 (.608 OPSAgainst)

w Vaz 6.68 (.956)

Career: 2.67 (.573) w Leon and 4.61 (.763) w Vaz

 

Porcello

w Leon 4.12 (.703)

w Vaz 7.41 (.933)

Career: 4.13 (.728) w Leon and 4.87 (.784) w Vaz.

 

It makes total sense to have Vaz catch 3/5 games and maybe a few games with Porcello here and there.

 

It certainly is not "pathetic" to think starting a catcher that almost halves the ERA with Sale. Porcello might be debatable. Price is doing better with Vaz, this year, despite doing much better with Leon before.

[Kimmi]

You’re not getting any more rotation help. If you’re gonna go out and deal for a starter, you’re gonna get a guy who will crack your PO rotation. As it stands right now, Price, Sale, ERod and Cashner are your 4 in a PO series. Marginally upgrading with Wheeler makes no sense just to push out Porcello. I also don’t see the Sox trying to fix Diaz. I see the Sox selling out at this point for Ken Giles. Will Smith is looking less available as the Giants are gonna go for it

 

I agree that the Sox are not getting another starter. Nor do we need one.

 

I can see the Sox buying low on Diaz. He's not going to be as good as he was last year, but nor should he be as bad as he is this year. He is someone who should help with our pen depth problems.

 

IMO, it would be a mistake for the Sox to go over the next luxury tax limit for a reliever, or any player for that matter.

[notin]

I think Diaz still has a ton of value left, based on age, years of control, and salary. Buy Low opportunity or not, I think he’s out of the Sox price range.

 

Shane Greene is more likely IMO. Dombrowski is quite familiar with him as he has acquired him before. And while Greene might be a Buy High candidate during a career-best season, he has a higher salary than Diaz, is older, and is only signed for 1 more year.

 

If the Sox go scraping the bottom of the barrel, the recently deposed Greg Holland can probably be had for nothing more than the desire to acquire...

[moonslav59]

I don't think we go over the max line for anybody.

 

I think we trade for a RP'er that costs about what Cashner did, in terms of prospects and salary.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The Mets also could use an upgrade at third base over 33-year-old veteran Todd Frazier.

 

The Red Sox will have plenty of competition, of course: the Atlanta Braves, Los Angeles Dodgers, Tampa Bay Rays and Toronto Blue Jays reportedly are also in on Diaz and boast deeper farm systems.

 

But no team on that shortlist has a higher-rated third base prospect than Dalbec (per MLB.com), so Boston may have a shot at landing the missing piece in their bullpen.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-rumors-red-sox-mets-134949747.html

 

The highlighted point on Dalbec is interesting and makes me think the Red Sox and Mets match up fairly well.

 

Dalbec is a quality 3b prospect not only due to his power but his defense. The Mets could use him next year.

 

I would like to see the Red Sox expand the Diaz deal to include Wheeler and D.Smith. To achieve that, it is conceivable that the Red Sox could trade Porcello to a third team (one of the NL teams looking for pitching) for a so-so prospect.

 

Other players that could be included in a package with the Mets: Duran, Wilson, D.Reyes, T.Ward. It is hard to gauge the Mets interest in a CF--they are considering moving Rosario to CF next year and Gimenez, an elite defender at SS, is already at Double A (his offense is far behind his glove, however).

 

To make this deal work, maybe take out Wheeler and keep Porcello? In this scenario, the Red Sox would be trading for Diaz and Smith, and the Mets would acquire Dalbec and a few other pieces.

 

In another media report that I can no longer find, it was suggested that J.Groome could be involved in the deal. I would hate to give up Groome but I would do it for D.Smith: Diaz, Wheeler, and Smith to the Red Sox for Dalbec, Groome, Reyes, and another player.

Edited July 29, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[harmony]

I think Diaz still has a ton of value left, based on age, years of control, and salary. Buy Low opportunity or not, I think he’s out of the Sox price range.

 

Shane Greene is more likely IMO. Dombrowski is quite familiar with him as he has acquired him before. And while Greene might be a Buy High candidate during a career-best season, he has a higher salary than Diaz, is older, and is only signed for 1 more year.

 

If the Sox go scraping the bottom of the barrel, the recently deposed Greg Holland can probably be had for nothing more than the desire to acquire...

Any thoughts on nonrental Seattle relievers Anthony Bass, with a 2019 salary of $950,000, and Hunter Strickland, with a 2019 salary of $1.3 million?

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bassan01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/strichu01.shtml

 

In return the Mariners would likely ask for less than your much-maligned:) Juan Then, the 19-year-old righthander whom the Yankees traded for Edwin Encarnacion. Then, whose start I will witness this evening, has a 2.81 ERA, 18 strikeouts, three walks and a .196 BAA in 16 innings despite a rough debut with the Everett AquaSox of the short-season Class A Northwest League.

[harmony]

The highlighted point on Dalbec is interesting and makes me think the Red Sox and Mets match up fairly well.

 

Dalbec is a quality 3b prospect not only due to his power but his defense. The Mets could use him next year.

 

I would like to see the Red Sox expand the Diaz deal to include Wheeler and D.Smith. To achieve that, it is conceivable that the Red Sox could trade Porcello to a third team (one of the NL teams looking for pitching) for a so-so prospect.

 

Other players that could be included in a package with the Mets: Duran, Wilson, D.Reyes, T.Ward. It is hard to gauge the Mets interest in a CF--they are considering moving Rosario to CF next year and Gimenez, an elite defender at SS, is already at Double A (his offense is far behind his glove, however).

 

To make this deal work, maybe take out Wheeler and keep Porcello? In this scenario, the Red Sox would be trading for Diaz and Smith, and the Mets would acquire Dalbec and a few other pieces.

 

In another media report that I can no longer find, it was suggested that J.Groome could be involved in the deal. I would hate to give up Groome but I would do it for D.Smith: Diaz, Wheeler, and Smith to the Red Sox for Dalbec, Groome, Reyes, and another player.

According to this trade simulator, Edwin Diaz and Xander Bogaerts have the same surplus value around $47 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

In contrast Bobby Dalbec has a surplus value of $13.2 million.

 

In the proposed trade of Dalbec, Jason Groome, Denyi Reyes and another player for Diaz, Zack Wheeler and Dominic Smith, the trade simulator gives the former trio $18 million in surplus value and the latter trio $66.8 million in surplus value. To even out the value the other player would need to be Andrew Benintendi ($58.6 million in surplus value).

Edited July 29, 2019 by harmony

[notin]

Any thoughts on nonrental Seattle relievers Anthony Bass, with a 2019 salary of $950,000, and Hunter Strickland, with a 2019 salary of $1.3 million?

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bassan01.shtml

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/strichu01.shtml

 

In return the Mariners would likely ask for less than your much-maligned:) Juan Then, the 19-year-old righthander whom the Yankees traded for Edwin Encarnacion. Then, whose start I will witness this evening, has a 2.81 ERA, 18 strikeouts, three walks and a .196 BAA in 16 innings despite a rough debut with the Everett AquaSox of the short-season Class A Northwest League.

 

Strickland isn’t likely to show anyone anything before the deadline passes.

 

Bass is the type of player that makes me frustrated with Dombrowski. Why isn’t he making waiver claims on relievers? He claims failing infielders like Asche and Owings and Curletta for some reason, and then passed on Bass and Rosenthal...

[notin]

The Royals just released Lucas Duda. Watch Dombrowski be all over this...