2019 Trade Deadline Thread

[moonslav59]

This is Luxury Tax Space. Yanks got space to spend.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/

 

Yes, and when you trade for a pitcher, only the pro-rated portion counts. Plus, teams often will pay part of a salary dump deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

We should have about $10 mil to go before hitting the final threshold. With 2 months left in the season, we can almost afford to get Greinke, the higher paid player by AAV on the market. So money isn't gonna be the problem here. We are actually in a pretty good place financially for a large market team. As our prearb guys start to get expensive, we will start getting some cap relief. EE, Gardy, CC, Betances, and possibly Chapman fall off the AAV. We can replace their contributions internally aside from possibly Chapman. After 2020, Tanaka, Lemahieu and Ellsbury fall off. Clearly, we would look to re-up Lemahieu, but I doubt we would need to keep Tanaka at a big price and Ells is wasted space. The importance of keeping a pre-arb pipeline is key. For 2020, we will have Andujar, Torres, Tauchman, and Voit still on pre-arb deals with Montgomery, Judge, and Sanchez jumping into the first time arb land. Once Judge and Sanchez start to get expensive (2nd time though arb) we will be able to pay them with cash falling off the books. The way Cashman set this up is pretty good.

[OH FOY]

Dodgers got plenty of money too. That's what kids that hit in the Majors do for you. Keeps spending down. Biggest reason why you invest in the Farm.

I would pay Scouts, the real good ones, great money. You'll get your investment back 10 fold.

[jacksonianmarch]

Dodgers got plenty of money too. That's what kids that hit in the Majors do for you. Keeps spending down. Biggest reason why you invest in the Farm.

I would pay Scouts, the real good ones, great money. You'll get your investment back 10 fold.

 

Exactly. And the one thing the Dodgers have done that the Yankees haven't is draft best player and most likely player to hit. The Yanks have gotten cute in their first rounds, drafting guys with character and "greater than the sum of their parts" and their first rounders usually flop. They make hay later in drafts by going for guys with one big skill and hone them. I wish they'd do that earlier. The Dodgers have been picking guys who can mash and pitchers with huge arms and they have hit in spades. It doesn't matter if they create a logjam, they'll deal the ones they think are the weakest and make additions like Machado last year or Greinke before that. Where the Yanks have dominated is the INTL forum. Their draft classes seem to hit every year, and it isn't always the top guys that do. I wish we would take a page from our IFA scouting and apply it to the draft. No more middle infield types with slick gloves. No more catchers who are gonna stay at the position but cannot hit. No more finesse pitchers who might be a #5 someday. F that. Give me power, hit ability, high velocity.

[notin]

We need Syndergaard go get him Boston

 

There’s a better chance of Dombrowski signing me than of him trading for Syndergaard...

[notin]

Dodgers got plenty of money too. That's what kids that hit in the Majors do for you. Keeps spending down. Biggest reason why you invest in the Farm.

I would pay Scouts, the real good ones, great money. You'll get your investment back 10 fold.

 

 

Who needs scouting?

 

Look at some of the best young and up and coming players in the game - like Cody Bellinger, Vlad Guerrero Jr., Fernando Tatis Jr., Cavan Biggio, Adalberto Mondesi, and Lance McCullers Jr. Along with some of the game’s top prospects like Bo Bichette, Luis Garcia, Ke’Bryan Hayes, Griffin Conine, Nick Gordon, and Ryan Weathers. What do they all have uncommon?

Edited July 26, 2019 by notin

[dgalehouse]

There’s a better chance of Dombrowski signing me than of him trading for Syndergaard...

 

D.D. might sign you just to quiet you .

[notin]

D.D. might sign you just to quiet you .

 

My plan all along. My agent suggested a Squeaky Wheel Tactic...

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Eric Van wants the Red Sox to acquire Sergio Romo as a bullpen upgrade. I guess Romo is tough on right-handed hitters and the acquisition cost would be minimal. Edited July 26, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

Eric Van wants the Red Sox to acquire Sergio Romo as a bullpen upgrade. I guess Romo is tough on right-handed hitters and the acquisition cost would be minimal.

 

That's the type of deal I see us making... maybe 2 like this.

[Sox75]

Red Sox sellers? My arss!

[moonslav59]

red sox sellers? My arss!

 

sell pearce !

[Sox75]

sell pearce !

 

LOL :]

 

I'll take what he did for us last year, & call it a wash.

 

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I would like to see the Red Sox obtain a rental like Wheeler if the price is right. If the Red Sox do acquire Wheeler, maybe Porcello goes to the bullpen? If the Red Sox advance beyond the wild card game, do we really want Porcello to be part of the post-season rotation?

[notin]

I would like to see the Red Sox obtain a rental like Wheeler if the price is right. If the Red Sox do acquire Wheeler, maybe Porcello goes to the bullpen? If the Red Sox advance beyond the wild card game, do we really want Porcello to be part of the post-season rotation?

 

The Sox did acquire a rental starting pitcher. His name is Andrew Cashner. He has a beard...

[dgalehouse]

So far , the trade deadline has produced all of the boredom , speculation and inactivity that the free agent period did . MLB sure knows how to generate interest in the game . Looks like whatever deals are made will come right at the end .

[Bellhorn04]

So far , the trade deadline has produced all of the boredom , speculation and inactivity that the free agent period did . MLB sure knows how to generate interest in the game . Looks like whatever deals are made will come right at the end .

 

Isn't that when most big deadline trades have historically occurred, though? Theo traded Nomar at the very last moment.

 

I think part of the problem is that in the internet world we're constantly hungering for fresh news. As soon as we get some, we devour it and we're hungry for more.

[dgalehouse]

Isn't that when most big deadline trades have historically occurred, though? Theo traded Nomar at the very last moment.

 

I think part of the problem is that in the internet world we're constantly hungering for fresh news. As soon as we get some, we devour it and we're hungry for more.

Yeah , but we are not getting any news to speak of . The NFL training camps are getting more news coverage . Same thing with free agency . All we heard were reasons and excuses why owners and GMs were hesitant to do anything . So afraid of making a mistake . In my opinion , this is not how to promote interest in the game .

[notin]

Isn't that when most big deadline trades have historically occurred, though? Theo traded Nomar at the very last moment.

 

I think part of the problem is that in the internet world we're constantly hungering for fresh news. As soon as we get some, we devour it and we're hungry for more.

 

The Manny-Bay trade broke about as close to the deadline as it could have. MLBTR’s original “story” was just a headline...

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Cashman talked to the media yesterday and was bitching about the cost for starting pitching. It is clearly a seller's market. The problem with the Yankees now is that they don't have a good enough farm system to pull off a trade for a top starter. The Yankees don't have the prospect resources beyond D.Garcia. The Yankees are offering Frazier and Florial to anyone who will listen, but Frazier is a poor defensive outfielder and Florial isn't hitting. To make a trade for a guy like Stroman, the Yankees will need to include a major league piece, such as Torres. Maybe the Yankees can put a deal together involving Garcia and Andujar, that might be the compromise. But Cashman doesn't like making deals unless he can squeeze the other team to death. I'm not sure if he can compromise.

 

If the Yankees don't come out of the trade deadline with a top starter, and the Yankees go on to lose in the playoffs due to a lack of starting pitching, the Steinbrenners really need to consider replacing Cashman. Just as Cashman concluded that Joe Girardi wasn't the guy to take the Yankees over the top, maybe Cashman isn't the guy to put the final pieces in place for a championship. Historically, Cashman has made brutal decisions on the starting pitching front. In the offseason, Cashman found his new Sonny Gray in James Paxton, signed a loser in JA Happ, and inexplicably passed on signing P.Corbin. At the time, I called out Cashman for his failure to sign Corbin and I continue to highlight the error.

 

Paxton, 95 ERA+, 0.3 WAR

Happ, 86 ERA+, 0.5 WAR

Corbin 140 ERA+, 3.7 WAR

 

I recently heard a fascinating thing about the Yankees. If the Yankees don't make the World Series this year, this will be the first decade in their history that they didn't play in a World Series game. Could that be right? I immediately thought of the 1980s, but the Yankees lost to the Dodgers in the World Series in 1981. We know about the 1970s and 1990s and the 2009 championship. Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure the Yankees played against the Pirates in the World Series in the early 1960s (I think the Yankees lost?). Obviously, the Yankees dominated baseball in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, with guys like Gehrig, Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle. And so maybe it is true: the 2010s might be the first decade that the Yankees don't play in a World Series game.

 

That is a sad state of affairs for an organization that outspends just about every other MLB team, providing the Yankees with clear and indisputable competitive advantages. Such facts reflect poorly on the guy who is responsible for the organization's personnel decisions.

Edited July 27, 2019 by Fan_since_Boggs

[dgalehouse]

Cashman talked to the media yesterday and was bitching about the cost for starting pitching. It is clearly a seller's market. The problem with the Yankees now is that they don't have a good enough farm system to pull off a trade for a top starter. The Yankees don't have the prospect resources beyond D.Garcia. The Yankees are offering Frazier and Florial to anyone who will listen, but Frazier is a poor defensive outfielder and Florial isn't hitting. To make a trade for a guy like Stroman, the Yankees will need to include a major league piece, such as Torres. Maybe the Yankees can put a deal together involving Garcia and Andujar, that might be the compromise. But Cashman doesn't like making deals unless he can squeeze the other team to death. I'm not sure if he can compromise.

 

If the Yankees don't come out of the trade deadline with a top starter, and the Yankees go on to lose in the playoffs due to a lack of starting pitching, the Steinbrenners really need to consider replacing Cashman. Just as Cashman concluded that Joe Girardi wasn't the guy to take the Yankees over the top, maybe Cashman isn't the guy to put the final pieces in place for a championship. Historically, Cashman has made brutal decisions on the starting pitching front. In the offseason, Cashman found his new Sonny Gray in James Paxton, brought in a loser in JA Happ, and he inexplicably passed on signing P.Corbin. At the time, I called out Cashman for his failure to sign Corbin and I continue to highlight the error.

 

Paxton, 95 ERA+, 0.3 WAR

Happ, 86 ERA+, 0.5 WAR

Corbin 140 ERA+, 3.7 WAR

 

I recently heard a fascinating thing about the Yankees. If the Yankees don't make the World Series this year, this will be the first decade in their history that they didn't play a World Series game. Could that be right? I immediately thought of the 1980s, but the Yankees lost to the Dodgers in the World Series in 1981. We know about the 1970s and 1990s and the 2009 championship. Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure the Yankees played against the Pirates in the World Series in the early 1960s (I think the Yankees lost?). Obviously, the Yankees dominated baseball in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, with guys like Gehrig, Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle. And so maybe it is true: the 2010s might be the first decade that the Yankees don't play in a World Series game.

 

That is a sad state of affairs for an organization that outspends just about every other MLB team, providing the Yankees with clear and indisputable competitive advantages. Such facts reflect poorly on the guy who is responsible for the organization's personnel decisions.

 

The Yankees's starting rotation is in absolute shambles . Cashman doesn't know where to begin fixing it .

[illinoisredsox]

Cashman talked to the media yesterday and was bitching about the cost for starting pitching. It is clearly a seller's market. The problem with the Yankees now is that they don't have a good enough farm system to pull off a trade for a top starter. The Yankees don't have the prospect resources beyond D.Garcia. The Yankees are offering Frazier and Florial to anyone who will listen, but Frazier is a poor defensive outfielder and Florial isn't hitting. To make a trade for a guy like Stroman, the Yankees will need to include a major league piece, such as Torres. Maybe the Yankees can put a deal together involving Garcia and Andujar, that might be the compromise. But Cashman doesn't like making deals unless he can squeeze the other team to death. I'm not sure if he can compromise.

 

If the Yankees don't come out of the trade deadline with a top starter, and the Yankees go on to lose in the playoffs due to a lack of starting pitching, the Steinbrenners really need to consider replacing Cashman. Just as Cashman concluded that Joe Girardi wasn't the guy to take the Yankees over the top, maybe Cashman isn't the guy to put the final pieces in place for a championship. Historically, Cashman has made brutal decisions on the starting pitching front. In the offseason, Cashman found his new Sonny Gray in James Paxton, signed a loser in JA Happ, and inexplicably passed on signing P.Corbin. At the time, I called out Cashman for his failure to sign Corbin and I continue to highlight the error.

 

Paxton, 95 ERA+, 0.3 WAR

Happ, 86 ERA+, 0.5 WAR

Corbin 140 ERA+, 3.7 WAR

 

I recently heard a fascinating thing about the Yankees. If the Yankees don't make the World Series this year, this will be the first decade in their history that they didn't play in a World Series game. Could that be right? I immediately thought of the 1980s, but the Yankees lost to the Dodgers in the World Series in 1981. We know about the 1970s and 1990s and the 2009 championship. Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure the Yankees played against the Pirates in the World Series in the early 1960s (I think the Yankees lost?). Obviously, the Yankees dominated baseball in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, with guys like Gehrig, Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle. And so maybe it is true: the 2010s might be the first decade that the Yankees don't play in a World Series game.

 

That is a sad state of affairs for an organization that outspends just about every other MLB team, providing the Yankees with clear and indisputable competitive advantages. Such facts reflect poorly on the guy who is responsible for the organization's personnel decisions.

 

They did not play in one in the 1900s or the 1910s either. Yes, they were known as the Highlanders for about a decade after they moved from Baltimore after the 1902 season, but they were known as the Yankees for most of those teens.

 

Now, it would be accurate to say that should they miss this year, it would be the first decade they haven't played in one since some form of Yankee Stadium has existed.

[moonslav59]

Cashman talked to the media yesterday and was bitching about the cost for starting pitching. It is clearly a seller's market. The problem with the Yankees now is that they don't have a good enough farm system to pull off a trade for a top starter. The Yankees don't have the prospect resources beyond D.Garcia. The Yankees are offering Frazier and Florial to anyone who will listen, but Frazier is a poor defensive outfielder and Florial isn't hitting. To make a trade for a guy like Stroman, the Yankees will need to include a major league piece, such as Torres. Maybe the Yankees can put a deal together involving Garcia and Andujar, that might be the compromise. But Cashman doesn't like making deals unless he can squeeze the other team to death. I'm not sure if he can compromise.

 

If the Yankees don't come out of the trade deadline with a top starter, and the Yankees go on to lose in the playoffs due to a lack of starting pitching, the Steinbrenners really need to consider replacing Cashman. Just as Cashman concluded that Joe Girardi wasn't the guy to take the Yankees over the top, maybe Cashman isn't the guy to put the final pieces in place for a championship. Historically, Cashman has made brutal decisions on the starting pitching front. In the offseason, Cashman found his new Sonny Gray in James Paxton, signed a loser in JA Happ, and inexplicably passed on signing P.Corbin. At the time, I called out Cashman for his failure to sign Corbin and I continue to highlight the error.

 

Paxton, 95 ERA+, 0.3 WAR

Happ, 86 ERA+, 0.5 WAR

Corbin 140 ERA+, 3.7 WAR

 

I recently heard a fascinating thing about the Yankees. If the Yankees don't make the World Series this year, this will be the first decade in their history that they didn't play in a World Series game. Could that be right? I immediately thought of the 1980s, but the Yankees lost to the Dodgers in the World Series in 1981. We know about the 1970s and 1990s and the 2009 championship. Without looking it up, I'm pretty sure the Yankees played against the Pirates in the World Series in the early 1960s (I think the Yankees lost?). Obviously, the Yankees dominated baseball in the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s, with guys like Gehrig, Ruth, Dimaggio, and Mantle. And so maybe it is true: the 2010s might be the first decade that the Yankees don't play in a World Series game.

 

That is a sad state of affairs for an organization that outspends just about every other MLB team, providing the Yankees with clear and indisputable competitive advantages. Such facts reflect poorly on the guy who is responsible for the organization's personnel decisions.

 

Don't ask/force Sox fans to look up the history of Yankee championships by decades.

 

I still think the cost on starters will drop as the deadline nears. Cashner was cheap.

 

We may also be surprised at how many teams still "in it" may trade a SP'er (like CLE, SFG, PIT...).

[notin]

Don't ask/force Sox fans to look up the history of Yankee championships by decades.

.

 

Too late.

 

The Yankees played in no World Series from 1903 to 1919. The 1900’s was a shortened decade World Series-wise,as there were no series played in 1900, 1901, 1902 and 1904...

[harmony]

The Oakland Athletics have acquired lefty reliever Jake Diekman from the Kansas City Royals, according to Jeff Passan:

 

 

Diekman is a rental with a mutual option for 2020. The return may help define the market for relievers.

[fxkatt]

Of course, these Yankee starters are partly responsible for the Yanks 29+ record. And they don't have to face hot Sox bats every day. But come playoff time... that's our opening.

[harmony]

As an under-the-radar target, would the Red Sox have any interest in Seattle reliever Hunter Strickland, who remains under team control for two more seasons with a 2019 salary of only $1.3 million?

 

Strickland, whom the Red Sox selected in the 2007 draft, posted saves this year in the Mariners' first two games, striking out three and facing the minimum six batters. However, in his third appearance the righthander recorded only one out and surrendered three runs before leaving with an oblique injury that has sidelined Strickland until his minor league rehab assignment this week:

 

http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?player_id=519326#/career/R/pitching/2019/ALL

 

This trade simulator lists Strickland with a negative trade value:rolleyes::

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

The 30-year-old Strickland has a career ERA+ of 134:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/strichu01.shtml

[notin]

If the Sox wanted Strickland, they would have 1) signed him this offseason or 2) not traded him away in the first place...

[harmony]

If the Sox wanted Strickland, they would have 1) signed him this offseason or 2) not traded him away in the first place...

Instead the Red Sox signed righthander Nathan Eovaldi, with a career ERA+ of 95, to a four-year, $68 million contract.

 

While the Trade Simulator's net value of a negative $400,000 for Hunter Strickland is surprising, that negative value pales in comparison to Eovaldi's negative value of $26.6 million.

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

BTW, in July 2009 the Red Sox traded Strickland and infielder Argenis Diaz for nine days of Adam LaRoche, who was then traded for Casey Kotchman.

Edited July 27, 2019 by harmony

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Sergio Romo is traded to the Twins. This is the guy Eric Van wanted the Red Sox to acquire. Good move by the Twins.