Rule 5 Draft

[OH FOY]

Left unprotected, tells me he wasn't in Sox Future plans, as everyday 1st Baseman. Probably have other Plan at this position, and don't want him to block the position for Future prospect. Wouldn't shock me if Sox happy he is taken, so they can maybe move Chavis there, and see how it works out. Maybe Dalbec. Edited December 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[OH FOY]

His bad evaluations about his Defense, might be the difference in him not taken, plus he strikes out at a 33% rate goes against him too, good luck in the Majors. Saw him play this year for Portland, probably best player on team, Chavis just got called up, not counting that. That's scary. Edited December 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[moonslav59]

I was mildly surprised they did not protect Ockimey. We will have an opening at 1B in 2020, and that would match up with his estimated time of ML readiness, if ever he does become ML ready.

 

I realize we have Chavis and Dalbec. I don't count Travis, and in some ways, I'd rather we kept Ockimey than Travis. We might work out a trade, but the draft starts soon.

[Nick]

I agree 100%!

 

If I remember correctly at the time of trade, we did not really know much about Devers. But there were noises that said DD really liked Devers over Moncada. Also, Pedey was healthy around that time with several years still remaining on his contract. Thus Moncada was blocked at 2B and playing 3B in Sox system.

 

Maybe you're the one that correctly predicated that it was Kopech that was the real loss for the Red Sox.

 

As Kimmi stated, World Series Banner will always remind us that it was a good trade for us and probably for the White Sox too.

[OH FOY]

Sale's contribution in 1st half of Season was huge, in the 2nd half it was Price.

[moonslav59]

If I remember correctly at the time of trade, we did not really know much about Devers. But there were noises that said DD really liked Devers over Moncada. Also, Pedey was healthy around that time with several years still remaining on his contract. Thus Moncada was blocked at 2B and playing 3B in Sox system.

 

Maybe you're the one that correctly predicated that it was Kopech that was the real loss for the Red Sox.

 

As Kimmi stated, World Series Banner will always remind us that it was a good trade for us and probably for the White Sox too.

 

I've always been a huge Devers fan (more than Moncada). I was glad we kept him. I was high on Kopech, but he was a needed piece to get...

 

Chris Freakin' Sale!

 

Both Moncada and Kopech may end up being great or very good players when all is said and done.

 

[OH FOY]

It will be interesting year, with Sale and that Shoulder. Pitched only 35 innings from July 11, till end of season.

[jacksonianmarch]

Any time you hear “shoulder fatigue” and then see a velocity drop that significant, you worry about the labrum

[kenmeister]

Any time you hear “shoulder fatigue” and then see a velocity drop that significant, you worry about the labrum

 

I am also extremely worried. My prediction is that we end up keeping Porcello over Sale.

[bkzwhitestrican]

Yanks lost six guys in the Rule 5 draft (and selected one). Nick Green is the biggest loss but otherwise nothing too notable. Sox actually took one guy from us, Anyelo Gomez, who we lost and regained to the Rule 5 draft last year. I guess nobody wanted Ockimetyakamehameha after all.

[mvp 78]

He will get selected. The question is whether a team is willing to either let him play it out or burn a bench spot on him to maintain control for the whole year. The padres did that with one of our catching prospects, Luis Torrens. He was awful in the majors and hasn’t reached his potential due to the lost development

 

No one ever listens to me.

[notin]

No one ever listens to me.

 

 

Did you say something?

[jacksonianmarch]

Yanks lost six guys in the Rule 5 draft (and selected one). Nick Green is the biggest loss but otherwise nothing too notable. Sox actually took one guy from us, Anyelo Gomez, who we lost and regained to the Rule 5 draft last year. I guess nobody wanted Ockimetyakamehameha after all.

 

Normally I’d be upset over the loss of a guy in AAA who throws 100mph and has a wipeout slidepiece. But Anyelo has shoulder surgery and is likely to miss most, if not all of 2019

[jacksonianmarch]

Look at the type of players taken here. They’re all either utility guys or pitchers capable of relieving. No guys selected for their offense alone. They all took 12th pitcher types or 25th man types

[notin]

So how exactly does the AAA phase of the Rule 5 draft work?

[Kimmi]

Given his current level of production I find I can live without Moncada. In losing Moncada but keeping Devers, I think we wound up with the better player, both younger and more immediately proficient. time will, of course, tell, but his ability to miss the ball tells me that Moncada's got some maturing to do.

 

Given the choice of one or the other, I'd take Devers also. But to me, it wasn't necessarily and either/or thing with Moncada and Devers. Wouldn't it be nice to have both?

[Kimmi]

It will be interesting year, with Sale and that Shoulder. Pitched only 35 innings from July 11, till end of season.

 

Post season MRIs showed no structural damage to Sale's shoulder.

 

He should be good to go after having the offseason to rest.

[jacksonianmarch]

Shoulder MRIs are notoriously difficult and unless they did it with intra-articular contrast, a labral issue will be hard to find. The same s*** happened when we traded for Pineda. His rookie season say him throwing 98mph and his ST with us he was barely topping 90. MRIs were clear until they injected contrast and found the tear

[moonslav59]

I'm encouraged by the fact that he was ready to pitch at the end of the playoffs.

[Larry Cook]

There is no doubt in my mind that sale’s shoulder issue will resurface in 2019.

 

He looked unbelievable in his return versus Baltimore and then goes back in the dl. Something in that shoulder might be torn.

 

But I hope I am wrong and sale has a great walk year.

[Kimmi]

Shoulder MRIs are notoriously difficult and unless they did it with intra-articular contrast, a labral issue will be hard to find. The same s*** happened when we traded for Pineda. His rookie season say him throwing 98mph and his ST with us he was barely topping 90. MRIs were clear until they injected contrast and found the tear

 

Is there a reason why the Sox medical staff wouldn't use the intra-articular contrast? I'm thinking that if the Sox or Sale had any concerns about his shoulder, they would go 100% with the testing to make sure.

[dgalehouse]

As per the Sox chief medical officer , Dr . Vinnie Boombatz, " Sale should be fine unless that darn shoulder starts acting up again. "

[Bellhorn04]

As per the Sox chief medical officer , Dr . Vinnie Boombatz, " Sale should be fine unless that darn shoulder starts acting up again. "

 

LOL That's awful...but funny.

[cp176]

As per the Sox chief medical officer , Dr . Vinnie Boombatz, " Sale should be fine unless that darn shoulder starts acting up again. "

 

I like that. Makes sense to me!

[FredLynn]

Shoulder MRIs are notoriously difficult and unless they did it with intra-articular contrast, a labral issue will be hard to find. The same s*** happened when we traded for Pineda. His rookie season say him throwing 98mph and his ST with us he was barely topping 90. MRIs were clear until they injected contrast and found the tear

 

First of all, its not the same thing: Sale has no evidence of structural damage; Pineda did. Second, one would think that the study was done properly, given the stakes, and that contrast was used. And finally, Sale wasn't throwing 90 at the end of the year-he was hitting 95.

But by all means keep trying to dredge up worry here. Just be prepared for me to correct you if you mis-state things.

[jacksonianmarch]

Is there a reason why the Sox medical staff wouldn't use the intra-articular contrast? I'm thinking that if the Sox or Sale had any concerns about his shoulder, they would go 100% with the testing to make sure.

 

It's invasive and one wonders whether Sale wanted it done. The player has to consent

[jacksonianmarch]

First of all, its not the same thing: Sale has no evidence of structural damage; Pineda did. Second, one would think that the study was done properly, given the stakes, and that contrast was used. And finally, Sale wasn't throwing 90 at the end of the year-he was hitting 95.

But by all means keep trying to dredge up worry here. Just be prepared for me to correct you if you mis-state things.

 

Pineda's first MRI with us was negative. His second one with contrast showed the tear. A standard MRI without intra-articular contrast is not going to show a labrum tear reliably unless it is ripped off the bone. Now, most pitchers have baseline abnormal MRI's even without symptoms. So who knows, maybe they know there is some fraying of the cuff in the shoulder and that is consistent with his baseline MRI. Or maybe Sale agreed to a non-con MRI but not an MR Arthrogram. The arthrogram requires a needle inserted into the joint and contrast infused in. It is not benign and it is painful. I can see if Sale said "I'm good" when offered this option

[Dojji]

Given the choice of one or the other, I'd take Devers also. But to me, it wasn't necessarily and either/or thing with Moncada and Devers. Wouldn't it be nice to have both?

 

Sure, if you don't like having Brock Holt on the roster.

[jacksonianmarch]

And Freddy, while you may choose to wear the rosy glasses, look at the velocity of Sale in his start in Houston. Average FB velocity of 91.3. In the World Series, his average velocity was 93.4 but in Inning #4, he was at 91.8. Brushing over it and pretending like he was throwing his usual smoke is just Kool Aid drinking.

[moonslav59]

And Freddy, while you may choose to wear the rosy glasses, look at the velocity of Sale in his start in Houston. Average FB velocity of 91.3. In the World Series, his average velocity was 93.4 but in Inning #4, he was at 91.8. Brushing over it and pretending like he was throwing his usual smoke is just Kool Aid drinking.

 

It is a concern, but he had been out a long time, and sometimes it takes a few starts to regain velocity and control.

 

Certainly, there is concern, but 2 games should not be used to claim he has forever lost his velocity- not that you are saying that.