Rule 5 Draft

[moonslav59]

When it comes to the Sox, I think I'm a pretty big optimist. When the team is doing poorly, it sometimes feels like I'm one of just a select few that try to keep the faith. There are many examples of me thinking we will have a good to great year, and we sucked or did much worse than I expected. I've had times I was very optimistic about our farm and particular players like Cecchini, Owens, Iggy, Kalish, and even guys like Linares and Longhi.

 

I'm actually pretty high on some of our very young prospects, but I guess what kind of bugs me is that I was put down quite a bit for being super high on Espinoza, because he was so far away and a long shot, and now I'm being criticized for not believing in prospects as far away as Espi was and who are not even close to being a top 20 nationally ranked prospect, like he was.

 

I really like Mata and have hopes for Casas and Flores. I may not be as high on Feltman as some seem to be, but I do think he might give us some help in the next 2 years. Danny Diaz is so young (17). There are others like Groome and Houck. Dalbec and D Hernandez.

 

I just don't see anyone jumping out (or up). I hope someone does next year. Actually, I hope 3 or 4 do, but I won't be surprised, if we have 0-1 in the top 100 mid season rankings or pre-season 2020.

[moonslav59]

Ok well I’d like to know how optimistic you are.

 

Discounting anyone in A-ball, since a lot can happen good and bad between A-ball and MLB, how many major league starters do you think the Sox have? How many star player?

 

I think no star players, and maybe 4 starters at most.

 

And that Groome has been continually ranked so high after setback atfter setback is not a good sign...

 

Our best hope for a ML player by 2019 to 2020 are probably these:

 

Age

23 Chavis (upside a 6 on soxprospects.com)

21 D Hernandez (6)

23 Dalbec (6)

22 Houck (6)

23 Chatham (5)

24 Shawaryn (5)

24 Lakins (5)

 

maybe...

20 Groome (6)

21 Feltman (6)

22 Duran (5)

 

[notin]

Our best hope for a ML player by 2019 to 2020 are probably these:

 

Age

23 Chavis (upside a 6 on soxprospects.com)

21 D Hernandez (6)

23 Dalbec (6)

22 Houck (6)

23 Chatham (5)

24 Shawaryn (5)

24 Lakins (5)

 

maybe...

20 Groome (6)

21 Feltman (6)

22 Duran (5)

 

 

 

And out of those players, I expect Lakins and Feltman to make debuts as relievers (not starters) this year. Possibly Sharwyn as well.

 

But for starters, Hernandez and Chatham I can see. Chavis and maybe Dalbec, but neither probably in Boston ( especially Chavis, whom I suspect is dealt within the next 2months)...

[oldtimer]

When it comes to the Sox, I think I'm a pretty big optimist. When the team is doing poorly, it sometimes feels like I'm one of just a select few that try to keep the faith. There are many examples of me thinking we will have a good to great year, and we sucked or did much worse than I expected. I've had times I was very optimistic about our farm and particular players like Cecchini, Owens, Iggy, Kalish, and even guys like Linares and Longhi.

 

I'm actually pretty high on some of our very young prospects, but I guess what kind of bugs me is that I was put down quite a bit for being super high on Espinoza, because he was so far away and a long shot, and now I'm being criticized for not believing in prospects as far away as Espi was and who are not even close to being a top 20 nationally ranked prospect, like he was.

 

I really like Mata and have hopes for Casas and Flores. I may not be as high on Feltman as some seem to be, but I do think he might give us some help in the next 2 years. Danny Diaz is so young (17). There are others like Groome and Houck. Dalbec and D Hernandez.

 

I just don't see anyone jumping out (or up). I hope someone does next year. Actually, I hope 3 or 4 do, but I won't be surprised, if we have 0-1 in the top 100 mid season rankings or pre-season 2020.

 

Durbin Feltman pitched at TCU and is 21 years old so is no high school kid. It was smart of the Sox to keep him in the minors in 2018. They let him get his feet wet there and he did well. He has the stuff to be a big league pitcher (probable rp) and I would expect they will attempt to ease him in in 2019. I don't recommend even talking about being a closer. We still will need to fill that position as Kimbrel is an unlikely sign at this point.

[Nick]

And out of those players, I expect Lakins and Feltman to make debuts as relievers (not starters) this year. Possibly Sharwyn as well.

 

But for starters, Hernandez and Chatham I can see. Chavis and maybe Dalbec, but neither probably in Boston ( especially Chavis, whom I suspect is dealt within the next 2months)...

 

It's my hope that Chavis, Dalbec or any other position players are traded for a reliever. Go through the farm and see which ones can be serviceable in the pen. Relievers are fickle. I would never waste the farm on a reliever unless he's a lock down closer under team control. And not too many of those are available.

[Nick]

One of best trade we made was to give up Miller for three months and get E Rod in return. We should have turned right around and signed Miller, a win win situation.

[notin]

One of best trade we made was to give up Miller for three months and get E Rod in return. We should have turned right around and signed Miller, a win win situation.

 

To be fair, the contract Miller signed with the Yankees at that time was actually pretty outrageous cash for a set up guy. The market did catch up with Miller fairly quickly, but I don’t fault anyone for not seeing that...

[notin]

It's my hope that Chavis, Dalbec or any other position players are traded for a reliever. Go through the farm and see which ones can be serviceable in the pen. Relievers are fickle. I would never waste the farm on a reliever unless he's a lock down closer under team control. And not too many of those are available.

 

I’m not so sure the Sox can get a lockdown closer with their current prospects. Look at what controllable closers have gone for in recent years (Giles, for example) or what other contracts are taken on to acquire them (Diaz and Cano).

 

I’m hoping the Sox can get someone like Keone Kela, Jose LeClerc, Kirby Yates or Corey Knebel for Chavis (plus?). But the Marlins turned down Chavis and Groome for 27yo Drew Streckenrider last July. At the time, they were ranked 1 and 2 in the Sox farm system...

[Bellhorn04]

It's my hope that Chavis, Dalbec or any other position players are traded for a reliever. Go through the farm and see which ones can be serviceable in the pen. Relievers are fickle. I would never waste the farm on a reliever unless he's a lock down closer under team control. And not too many of those are available.

 

You mean it's your hope they are NOT traded for a reliever, right?

 

Goddam internet LOL

[cp176]

Ok well I’d like to know how optimistic you are.

 

Discounting anyone in A-ball, since a lot can happen good and bad between A-ball and MLB, how many major league starters do you think the Sox have? How many star player?

 

I think no star players, and maybe 4 starters at most.

 

And that Groome has been continually ranked so high after setback atfter setback is not a good sign...

 

I am optimistic. But you have to understand, I honestly thought that Moncada was the one that was going to virtually explode onto the scene. I actually think that making a guess as to which of our guys might wind up being stars or even role players at the ml level is somewhat the classic exercise in futility. We have lots of guys who were projected as the next greats over the years who have flamed out. It is kind of unusual when someone truly makes it big. To answer your question though, I am no less optimistic with respect to our minor leaguers than I have been at any other time. The fact that few of our guys come with the guarantee stamp of future success doesn't really affect my thinking at all.

[notin]

I am optimistic. But you have to understand, I honestly thought that Moncada was the one that was going to virtually explode onto the scene. I actually think that making a guess as to which of our guys might wind up being stars or even role players at the ml level is somewhat the classic exercise in futility. We have lots of guys who were projected as the next greats over the years who have flamed out. It is kind of unusual when someone truly makes it big. To answer your question though, I am no less optimistic with respect to our minor leaguers than I have been at any other time. The fact that few of our guys come with the guarantee stamp of future success doesn't really affect my thinking at all.

 

Expectations are the enemy of any prospect.

 

I’ve seen some already label Moncada as a bust. He’s one month older than Bobby Dalbec, who hasn’t even reached AA yet and some fans are already getting excited about. If Moncada is a bust, what’s Dalbec?

[Bellhorn04]

Expectations are the enemy of any prospect.

 

I’ve seen some already label Moncada as a bust. He’s one month older than Bobby Dalbec, who hasn’t even reached AA yet and some fans are already getting excited about. If Moncada is a bust, what’s Dalbec?

 

You know the answer.

 

A lot of baseball fans are very limited in their understanding of how the game actually works. They have no patience and they rush to judgment.

[Jasonbay44]

Calling Moncada a bust is foolish. He's 23 and coming off a 1.7 WAR and 2.0 WAR seasons at ages 21 and 22 respectively. Not everyone comes into the league and is Mike Trout right away. Moncada is still a very talented player. Obviously I'm thrilled with Sale and he helped us win a world series, so that trade is always a win in my book, but Moncada is going to be very special.

[moonslav59]

Calling Moncada a bust is foolish. He's 23 and coming off a 1.7 WAR and 2.0 WAR seasons at ages 21 and 22 respectively. Not everyone comes into the league and is Mike Trout right away. Moncada is still a very talented player. Obviously I'm thrilled with Sale and he helped us win a world series, so that trade is always a win in my book, but Moncada is going to be very special.

 

Iagree, even if he never learns to field or not strike out so much.

[cp176]

Expectations are the enemy of any prospect.

 

I’ve seen some already label Moncada as a bust. He’s one month older than Bobby Dalbec, who hasn’t even reached AA yet and some fans are already getting excited about. If Moncada is a bust, what’s Dalbec?

 

Are you labelling Moncada a bust notin? I'm sure not. Maybe I'm embellishing what you said. if expectations are the enemy of any prospect, I would say that their projections shouldn't be stuffed out there for all to see. I'm pretty sure that you don't think that Moncada is a bust just yet but you know how it works I think. Who is labelling Moncada a bust? bobby dalbec reached AA last year actually and had a pretty good end to his season. He may even eventually surpass his projections.

 

Personally I have not heard of anyone considering Moncada a bust.

[cp176]

When it comes to the Sox, I think I'm a pretty big optimist. When the team is doing poorly, it sometimes feels like I'm one of just a select few that try to keep the faith. There are many examples of me thinking we will have a good to great year, and we sucked or did much worse than I expected. I've had times I was very optimistic about our farm and particular players like Cecchini, Owens, Iggy, Kalish, and even guys like Linares and Longhi.

 

I'm actually pretty high on some of our very young prospects, but I guess what kind of bugs me is that I was put down quite a bit for being super high on Espinoza, because he was so far away and a long shot, and now I'm being criticized for not believing in prospects as far away as Espi was and who are not even close to being a top 20 nationally ranked prospect, like he was.

 

I really like Mata and have hopes for Casas and Flores. I may not be as high on Feltman as some seem to be, but I do think he might give us some help in the next 2 years. Danny Diaz is so young (17). There are others like Groome and Houck. Dalbec and D Hernandez.

 

I just don't see anyone jumping out (or up). I hope someone does next year. Actually, I hope 3 or 4 do, but I won't be surprised, if we have 0-1 in the top 100 mid season rankings or pre-season 2020.

 

Trading Espinoza did not bother me at all. If you are able to deal prospects for young decent cost controlled ml talent, that is a good use of the resource to my thinking. I did not like seeing Moncada and Kopech traded but for what we got and still have that one was certainly a no brainer. Now let me see, is this how it works now - I said that I did not like seeing Moncada and Kppech being traded so that has to mean that I didn't like the trade for Chris Sale right?

[notin]

Are you labelling Moncada a bust notin? I'm sure not. Maybe I'm embellishing what you said. if expectations are the enemy of any prospect, I would say that their projections shouldn't be stuffed out there for all to see. I'm pretty sure that you don't think that Moncada is a bust just yet but you know how it works I think. Who is labelling Moncada a bust? bobby dalbec reached AA last year actually and had a pretty good end to his season. He may even eventually surpass his projections.

 

Personally I have not heard of anyone considering Moncada a bust.

 

Read the boards more often. There have been plenty of posts about Moncada and all the other prospects DD traded away saying things like “DD traded away the future, but these guys were the future?”

 

No one needs to justify DD’s trades that way. Sale and Kimbrel and even Pomeranz did enough to justify them on their own...

[notin]

Trading Espinoza did not bother me at all. If you are able to deal prospects for young decent cost controlled ml talent, that is a good use of the resource to my thinking. I did not like seeing Moncada and Kopech traded but for what we got and still have that one was certainly a no brainer. Now let me see, is this how it works now - I said that I did not like seeing Moncada and Kppech being traded so that has to mean that I didn't like the trade for Chris Sale right?

 

No. You can dislike trading Moncada and still like the Sale trade. Many people do...

[Kimmi]

The stuff about the weak farm gets a little tiresome. The farm is weak right now. I get it, I really do.

 

My apologies to you for any comments I make or have made about our weak farm system.

[Kimmi]

One of best trade we made was to give up Miller for three months and get E Rod in return. We should have turned right around and signed Miller, a win win situation.

 

Trading 3 months of Miller for 6 years if ERod is a move that you make every day of the week. That's a no-brainer.

[cp176]

Read the boards more often. There have been plenty of posts about Moncada and all the other prospects DD traded away saying things like “DD traded away the future, but these guys were the future?”

 

No one needs to justify DD’s trades that way. Sale and Kimbrel and even Pomeranz did enough to justify them on their own...

 

I'm confused notin. Are you saying that the people saying that Moncada is a bust are also saying that DD traded away the future? I read the boards obviously and I guess I missed all the kefluffel of people saying that Moncada was a bust. Oh well - not going back to read them again.

[notin]

I'm confused notin. Are you saying that the people saying that Moncada is a bust are also saying that DD traded away the future? I read the boards obviously and I guess I missed all the kefluffel of people saying that Moncada was a bust. Oh well - not going back to read them again.

 

Oh there was lot of “These guys were the future? Pfffffft.” And “Moncada lead the league in strikeouts!” That kind of stuff.

 

Moncada will be a star. Sale is one. Logan Allen looks like he will be a star very soon. Kimbrel was one. That’s how trades are supposed to work...

[jacksonianmarch]

The only trade you can rag DD for is the Thorburg one as clearly the sox gave up more now talent and more future talent for a broken down horse. Other than that, he did give up quality prospects, but he also got back top notch big league performers.

 

The area you can rag DD on was drafting and developing. Now, that isn't entirely at his feet, although the person who makes those decisions was hired by him, so it is indirectly his fault. The sox haven't been successful in bringing in top notch IFA talent and their draft picks have been either too injured to play or too inconsistent to rise. There is a hole in the farm that is a mile wide that cannot be fixed in a single draft/signing season

[OH FOY]

https://www.milb.com/milb/news/toolshed-2018-rule-5-draft-preview/c-301634300

[Nick]

Trading 3 months of Miller for 6 years if ERod is a move that you make every day of the week. That's a no-brainer.

 

Yep, no brainer. Looks like we're have another year to stock up and improve our farm system. It would be nice to have Moncada back in light of uncertainty at 2B. But then, no Sale.

[Kimmi]

Yep, no brainer. Looks like we're have another year to stock up and improve our farm system. It would be nice to have Moncada back in light of uncertainty at 2B. But then, no Sale.

 

I am really interested to see how Dombrowski and Henry handle things next offseason. It would be nice to have Moncada back, but that championship flag will fly forever.

[Dojji]

I am really interested to see how Dombrowski and Henry handle things next offseason. It would be nice to have Moncada back, but that championship flag will fly forever.

 

Given his current level of production I find I can live without Moncada. In losing Moncada but keeping Devers, I think we wound up with the better player, both younger and more immediately proficient. time will, of course, tell, but his ability to miss the ball tells me that Moncada's got some maturing to do.

[moonslav59]

Given his current level of production I find I can live without Moncada. In losing Moncada but keeping Devers, I think we wound up with the better player, both younger and more immediately proficient. time will, of course, tell, but his ability to miss the ball tells me that Moncada's got some maturing to do.

 

I agree 100%!

[OH FOY]

I think the Sox were showcasing Ockimey in AFL, for a Trade, lots of Scouts, there. His poor performance there, Sox are now gambling, a Team wont take the chance on him now, and left him unprotected. Maybe Miami? We'll see this Morning.

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/2018-rule-5-draft-preview-v-10/

Edited December 13, 2018 by OH FOY!

[jacksonianmarch]

He will get selected. The question is whether a team is willing to either let him play it out or burn a bench spot on him to maintain control for the whole year. The padres did that with one of our catching prospects, Luis Torrens. He was awful in the majors and hasn’t reached his potential due to the lost development