Rule 5 Draft

[notin]

People will have to learn how to spell Esteban Quiroz.

 

Only Padres’ fans need to learn that now...

[S5Dewey]

People will have to learn how to spell Esteban Quiroz.

 

I'm still struggling with Eovaldi. I notice that nobody has suggested that the buy a vowel.

[mvp 78]

Only Padres’ fans need to learn that now...

 

D'oh...

 

Fire DUMBrowski!

[notin]

D'oh...

 

Fire DUMBrowski!

 

If it makes you feel any better, both “Schrock” and “Wong” are much easier to spell...

[kenmeister]

I'm still struggling with Eovaldi. I notice that nobody has suggested that the buy a vowel.

 

On the flipside, Price is a perfect last name. It makes the headlines so easy. "Price is right", "Price is wrong", "Nothing cheap about Price last start", etc.

[notin]

On the flipside, Price is a perfect last name. It makes the headlines so easy. "Price is right", "Price is wrong", "Nothing cheap about Price last start", etc.

 

 

“Pass for that Price and wait for a Sale”...

[moonslav59]

MLB lists Josh Ockimey as a top five Rule 5 pick.

 

Best 2018 Rule 5 Draft prospects available

WWW.MLB.COM

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Thanksgiving is here and I'm sure we all have things we are grateful for. Family, friends, the usual list that deserves gratitude. Personally, I'd like to share my thanks with the MLB Pipeline staff.There's no need for details, but there have been some challenges to face over the past few

[cp176]

Those of you who keep crapping all over what you and your anaslysts perceive as our sorely downtrodden minor leaguers, keep right on a trucking. I will continue to be as excited over much of the young talent that might even stun a few of you into silence. My guess is that we will have a few good ones for sure when we need them.

[moonslav59]

Those of you who keep crapping all over what you and your anaslysts perceive as our sorely downtrodden minor leaguers, keep right on a trucking. I will continue to be as excited over much of the young talent that might even stun a few of you into silence. My guess is that we will have a few good ones for sure when we need them.

 

Like Devers or Beni good?

[moonslav59]

Those of you who keep crapping all over what you and your anaslysts perceive as our sorely downtrodden minor leaguers, keep right on a trucking. I will continue to be as excited over much of the young talent that might even stun a few of you into silence. My guess is that we will have a few good ones for sure when we need them.

 

Like by 2020?

[notin]

Those of you who keep crapping all over what you and your anaslysts perceive as our sorely downtrodden minor leaguers, keep right on a trucking. I will continue to be as excited over much of the young talent that might even stun a few of you into silence. My guess is that we will have a few good ones for sure when we need them.

 

I’m not sure if your point is to evince your faith in our minor leaguers or just to continue your crusade to call out anyone who doesn’t...

[notin]

MLB lists Josh Ockimey as a top five Rule 5 pick.

 

Best 2018 Rule 5 Draft prospects available

WWW.MLB.COM

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Thanksgiving is here and I'm sure we all have things we are grateful for. Family, friends, the usual list that deserves gratitude. Personally, I'd like to share my thanks with the MLB Pipeline staff.There's no need for details, but there have been some challenges to face over the past few

 

I’ve seen that . A few sources do.

 

I don’t think he’ll be missed. But I do think he’ll be a Marlin...

[moonslav59]

I’ve seen that . A few sources do.

 

I don’t think he’ll be missed. But I do think he’ll be a Marlin...

 

He may never be missed, but I have to think he had a better upside, and at a position we will need after 2019, than a few guys still on our 40 man roster.

 

Marco Hernandez

Sam Travis (I mean, come on!)

Chandler Shepherd

 

maybe even ...

Robbie Scott, Marcus Walden or Josh Taylor.

 

[cp176]

Like Devers or Beni good?

 

Perhaps! How good do you think they are? I remember pretty well what Beni looked like just a few years ago. You have absolutely no way of knowing how good some of our kids might become.

[cp176]

Like by 2020?

 

 

perhaps

[cp176]

I’m not sure if your point is to evince your faith in our minor leaguers or just to continue your crusade to call out anyone who doesn’t...

 

A crusade you say. Mr embellisment strikes again. A statement of faith in our minor league program i would call it. I just see things differently than what you and maybe 2 or 3 others see things. I am very happy to say that.

[Bellhorn04]

The stuff about the weak farm gets a little tiresome. The farm is weak right now. I get it, I really do.

[cp176]

The stuff about the weak farm gets a little tiresome. The farm is weak right now. I get it, I really do.

 

I don't really disagree with this either but you are right it does get tiresome. You know what comes next - we aren't trying to be negative, we are just trying to be realistic. In my world, the reality is different I guess. No one knows regardless of how much they actually think they know what will become of this current crop of young potentially good players.

[moonslav59]

Perhaps! How good do you think they are? I remember pretty well what Beni looked like just a few years ago. You have absolutely no way of knowing how good some of our kids might become.

 

I think both are damn good and will only get better- perhaps MUCH better!

 

I do think we have a few very young prospects that may become as good as Beni or Devers, but almost all the upside prospects are 2-3 years away and maybe 4. Who could be ready by 2020? D Hernandez? Dalbec? Feltman?

 

Are any of these guys as highly regarded as Devers and Beni were a year or two before they made the bigs?

[moonslav59]

A crusade you say. Mr embellisment strikes again. A statement of faith in our minor league program i would call it. I just see things differently than what you and maybe 2 or 3 others see things. I am very happy to say that.

 

Do you think our farm outlook is even close to what it looked like 3 years ago? 5 years ago? 7 years ago?

 

I'm not trying to put you down, but I'd like to know why you see things so differently?

 

I get that we seem to have a high quantity of some good upside prospects, mostly who are far from the bigs, and the chances that one or two might rise quicker and steeper than current expectations is not bad, but I'm just curious why you think so differently than national prospect rankings.

 

If you had to put a name to our next Devers or Beni, who would they be?

[notin]

Perhaps! How good do you think they are? I remember pretty well what Beni looked like just a few years ago. You have absolutely no way of knowing how good some of our kids might become.

 

Benintendi was drafted in 2015 and came right out of the gate posting a .972 OPS in A-ball that year. He followed up with a .894 OPS across multiple levels in 2016 and was the #1 ranked prospect in all of baseball by both Baseball America and MLB.com before the 2017 season.

 

Is this really the guy you want to use as an example of a player who didn’t look good in the minors but then panned out?

[cp176]

Benintendi was drafted in 2015 and came right out of the gate posting a .972 OPS in A-ball that year. He followed up with a .894 OPS across multiple levels in 2016 and was the #1 ranked prospect in all of baseball by both Baseball America and MLB.com before the 2017 season.

 

Is this really the guy you want to use as an example of a player who didn’t look good in the minors but then panned out?

 

It does get tiring sometimes having to deal with you notin but here we go again. If you can find one piece of writing that I have even insinuated that Benintendi was not one of the very best hitters coming out of college and moving up through our minor league program, go for it. You can't but I'm sure you will try. Read what I said! I watched Benintendi play in Portland and my initial reaction was that yes he was talented but physically he was small. He doesn't look the same today. You got that? If physical attributes alone defined the future success of professional athletes, I would not have ventured much money on a bet saying that Beni would be what he obviously has become. My point, although I realize you are likely to claim that it isn't my point, is that neither you nor the couple of other people who spend so much time being negative (I know I know notin - you are only being realistic) with respect to our young minor leaguers, might not wind up being right with respect to them.

[notin]

It does get tiring sometimes having to deal with you notin but here we go again. If you can find one piece of writing that I have even insinuated that Benintendi was not one of the very best hitters coming out of college and moving up through our minor league program, go for it. You can't but I'm sure you will try. Read what I said! I watched Benintendi play in Portland and my initial reaction was that yes he was talented but physically he was small. He doesn't look the same today. You got that? If physical attributes alone defined the future success of professional athletes, I would not have ventured much money on a bet saying that Beni would be what he obviously has become. My point, although I realize you are likely to claim that it isn't my point, is that neither you nor the couple of other people who spend so much time being negative (I know I know notin - you are only being realistic) with respect to our young minor leaguers, might not wind up being right with respect to them.

 

In my defense, it was a conversation about how good we thought our prospects would be, not about their size. You even responded to moonslav asking if anyone would be Devers or Benintendi good. Not a conversation about physical stature.

 

Benintendi was a clear stud from the second he signed the contract. Typically you can actually count on the numerous scouting organizations to identify the future stars. When they make mistakes, it’s almost always the other way - identifying a star player who doesn’t pan out.

 

There are some rare cases of players who were never ranked becoming stars - Paul Goldschmidt and Kevin Youkilis leap to mind. But this is much, much less common and certainly nothing that can be counted on.

[cp176]

Do you think our farm outlook is even close to what it looked like 3 years ago? 5 years ago? 7 years ago?

 

I'm not trying to put you down, but I'd like to know why you see things so differently?

 

I get that we seem to have a high quantity of some good upside prospects, mostly who are far from the bigs, and the chances that one or two might rise quicker and steeper than current expectations is not bad, but I'm just curious why you think so differently than national prospect rankings.

 

If you had to put a name to our next Devers or Beni, who would they be?

 

 

I think that when you ask a question and phrase it this way with respect to Devers and probably more so with Beni being the comparisons to use, that you might be trying to make a negative outlook have a little more oomph to it. Devers might become a very good player. Benintendi has always been a very good player and might become even become better than that. In my opinion, it does seem as though that you are suggesting that Casas, Feltman, Houck, Flores, Chatham, Dalbec etc. cannot become players who are able to perform successfully at a very high level. It isn't going to happen tomorrow for any of them but personally it does get tiresome for me to constantly here that old tired drone about the weakness of our minor league system. It does look weak - I get that but I am going to focus my attention on the positive that these youngsters add to our program. And believe me I truly understand that I am one of the few posters here who appear excited about some of these kids that we are going to be able to watch progress. I'm ok with that.

[cp176]

In my defense, it was a conversation about how good we thought our prospects would be, not about their size. You even responded to moonslav asking if anyone would be Devers or Benintendi good. Not a conversation about physical stature.

 

Benintendi was a clear stud from the second he signed the contract. Typically you can actually count on the numerous scouting organizations to identify the future stars. When they make mistakes, it’s almost always the other way - identifying a star player who doesn’t pan out.

 

There are some rare cases of players who were never ranked becoming stars - Paul Goldschmidt and Kevin Youkilis leap to mind. But this is much, much less common and certainly nothing that can be counted on.

 

 

No need to defend yourself notin - you are who you are. Are you sure that i asked Moonslav if anyone would be Devers or Benintendi good? Not sure that that one is particularly accurate but oh well I'm kind of used to this type of thing.

For the record, I was aware of Benitendi's talent at every level he has played. There was never a doubt that he would be able to hit at any level. My only question about this kid was his size. I'm beyond excited that his fitness regime has allowed him to get bigger and stronger. If it can happen with Beni it likely can happen with some of our other minor leaguers some of whom are substantially bigger than he was at the same level.

[notin]

He may never be missed, but I have to think he had a better upside, and at a position we will need after 2019, than a few guys still on our 40 man roster.

 

Marco Hernandez

Sam Travis (I mean, come on!)

Chandler Shepherd

 

maybe even ...

Robbie Scott, Marcus Walden or Josh Taylor.

 

 

Sometimes I do find questions in why DD holds on to certain players while releasing others. Travis over Ockimey is a good example, although soxprospects.com does list Travis as starting inLF this year so maybe they want to see how the position change works out.

 

Keeping 29yo Bruce Brentz over 2015 draft pick Ben Taylor was about as questionable as it gets, especially when DD actually acted surprised that Ben Taylor was claimed. I sort of get keeping Walden and Josh Taylor. Walden is pure fringe talent but both do add an element of minor league pitching depth. Marco Hernandez is just worthless at this point.

 

But really, DD could have kept Ockimey without DFAing anyone. The Sox still have an open slot on the roster. Even if he was holding it for a potential Eovaldi signing, he could have DFAd Ockimey later.

 

I think he simply has less faith in Ockimey than in Travis and Chavis.

 

Or, crazy thought here, maybe he wants Ockimey to get selected so he can work out a trade for a minor leaguer who doesn’t need protection...

Edited December 4, 2018 by notin

[moonslav59]

Benintendi was drafted in 2015 and came right out of the gate posting a .972 OPS in A-ball that year. He followed up with a .894 OPS across multiple levels in 2016 and was the #1 ranked prospect in all of baseball by both Baseball America and MLB.com before the 2017 season.

 

Is this really the guy you want to use as an example of a player who didn’t look good in the minors but then panned out?

 

Plus, he was a 7th pick in the draft. We won't be seeing any of those for a while (not that it is bad thing!).

[notin]

No need to defend yourself notin - you are who you are. Are you sure that i asked Moonslav if anyone would be Devers or Benintendi good? Not sure that that one is particularly accurate but oh well I'm kind of used to this type of thing.

For the record, I was aware of Benitendi's talent at every level he has played. There was never a doubt that he would be able to hit at any level. My only question about this kid was his size. I'm beyond excited that his fitness regime has allowed him to get bigger and stronger. If it can happen with Beni it likely can happen with some of our other minor leaguers some of whom are substantially bigger than he was at the same level.

 

The problem with the Sox minors, particularly in AA and AAA, isn’t size so much as talent. Benintendi was a stud from day one and spent very little time above A ball.

 

Even DD knows the minors are not very good. Not that long ago, a lot of scouts had Josh Ockimey, who is a very big human being (6’1”, 230 lbs) listed in the top ten. But, even with space available, DD chose not to protect him.

 

If he feels that way about players in the top ten, how do you think he feels about the nes who aren’t?

[cp176]

Is it ok with you notin though if I continue to see these guys in a positive light even if the obvious reality I guess is that they must really suck?

 

Oh and I'll clarify once again (just trying to protect myself), a person's size taken singularly, really doesn't meant very much to me.

[notin]

Is it ok with you notin though if I continue to see these guys in a positive light even if the obvious reality I guess is that they must really suck?

 

Oh and I'll clarify once again (just trying to protect myself), a person's size taken singularly, really doesn't meant very much to me.

 

Ok well I’d like to know how optimistic you are.

 

Discounting anyone in A-ball, since a lot can happen good and bad between A-ball and MLB, how many major league starters do you think the Sox have? How many star player?

 

I think no star players, and maybe 4 starters at most.

 

And that Groome has been continually ranked so high after setback atfter setback is not a good sign...