Sox starting pitching thread

[notin]

You are correct. 2006 WS he was not good and again in the 12 ALCS. Overall body of work has been pretty good with 11 wins and a 3 ERA.

 

Ask yourself this ? Would you want Verlander starting Game 2 or Porcello?

Porcello had a career 4.7 ERA when traded for. Inconsistent at best. Cy Young Award means nothing. Overall numbers headed by very poor post season numbers does not warrant 22 million a season. Trade this player while the numbers look good and set your payroll up for 19.

 

You're missing the point.

 

You cite Verlander, but for a huge portion of his career he actually was not good in the post season. A few yearsvaho, you would be heading his name along wIth Price.

 

Porcello has made two career post-season starts since he was 22 years old. That's a really small sample size to make any jugdments on...

[moonslav59]

How did that Beckett extension work out?

 

Exactly. He went from being on pace to perhaps become the best post season starter in MLB history to being a chump and a playoff disappointment.

 

Some guys never get it. Past performance, even on large sample sizes are not always good indicators of what is to come. For short and scattered sample size, it's a joke.

 

We're often talking about a sample size of 5-10 starts spread out over years and years.

 

Plus, if we did go out and sign or trade for all the most successful playoff players in recent history, we'd probably not even make the playoffs (see Pablito, Craig & Co.).

[notin]

Exactly. He went from being on pace to perhaps become the best post season starter in MLB history to being a chump and a playoff disappointment.

 

Some guys never get it. Past performance, even on large sample sizes are not always good indicators of what is to come. For short and scattered sample size, it's a joke.

 

We're often talking about a sample size of 5-10 starts spread out over years and years.

Plus, if we did go out and sign or trade for all the most successful playoff players in recent history, we'd probably not even make the playoffs (see Pablito, Craig & Co.).

 

Exactly.

 

A pitcher can be in very different health each year with various lingering pains that affect performance. Or can be at very different stages of his career and/or relying on different pitches.

 

And one bad start can make it all look bad, especially with very few opportunities over very long stretches. Or in some cases, one bad inning...

[moonslav59]

I, for one, fully expect Price to do well this October, assuming he's healthy.

[a700hitter]

I don't understand all the negativity about Price. This guy is a great pitcher. He has been an elite talent and performer his entire life. Were are lucky to have him taking the ball every 5th day. Hopefully, he stays healthy. I don't shudder at his contract at all if he stays healthy.

[S5Dewey]

I'm fine with having David Price on the team, even at his salary. As I've said before, Price has proven himself to be someone who can get you to the playoffs. He's just yet to prove that he can get the team out the other side - and that's the nicest way I can think of to say it. That leaves the person inside me saying that when Price is starting a playoff game I'm hopeful - but not confident - that he'll pitch well.

[kenmeister]

Guess which pitcher is which! Last 4 starts.

 

Pitcher 1:

IP 6.0, Hits 5, ER 2, SO 6

IP 6.0, Hits 5, ER 3, SO 7

IP 5.0, Hits 4, ER 2, SO 4

IP 6.0, Hits 3, ER 1, SO 9

 

Pitcher 2:

IP 5.2, Hits 5, ER 1, SO 5

IP 6.2, Hits 3, ER 2, SO 7

IP 5.2, Hits 6, ER 2, SO 7

IP 5.2, Hits 9, ER 0, SO 7

 

One is Eduardo Rodriguez, the other is David Price. I think they've become remarkably similar recently. Both have become 6 inning, 2 earned run, 7ish strikeout pitchers.

[a700hitter]

I'm fine with having David Price on the team, even at his salary. As I've said before, Price has proven himself to be someone who can get you to the playoffs. He's just yet to prove that he can get the team out the other side - and that's the nicest way I can think of to say it. That leaves the person inside me saying that when Price is starting a playoff game I'm hopeful - but not confident - that he'll pitch well.

He does have the post season failures hanging over his head. That has been the one negative on his resume.

[Slasher9]

Mr. Tingles has pitched like a boss the past few starts. i am praying he continues on this path. how far we go this year will be greatly determined by our starting pitching.

[Kimmi]

I, for one, fully expect Price to do well this October, assuming he's healthy.

 

I am on board with this.

 

I almost expect Price to out pitch Sale in September and October.

[MADSTORK]

I, for one, fully expect Price to do well this October, assuming he's healthy.

 

 

Good luck with that!

 

When the yanks push for Degrom or Snydergard you can always say thanks Dave. Thanks for the 30 million dollar Bust!

[Larry Cook]

I am extremely impressed with price’s ability to reinvent himself. He has just about mastered the cutter or splitter that he throws and it is becoming his new “out” pitch.

[jacksonianmarch]

Price has the goods to be a good pitcher with diminished stuff. He just needs to remember that he doesn't have 97 anymore.

[kenmeister]

Guess which pitcher is which! Last 4 starts.

 

Pitcher 1:

IP 6.0, Hits 5, ER 2, SO 6

IP 6.0, Hits 5, ER 3, SO 7

IP 5.0, Hits 4, ER 2, SO 4

IP 6.0, Hits 3, ER 1, SO 9

 

Pitcher 2:

IP 5.2, Hits 5, ER 1, SO 5

IP 6.2, Hits 3, ER 2, SO 7

IP 5.2, Hits 6, ER 2, SO 7

IP 5.2, Hits 9, ER 0, SO 7

 

One is Eduardo Rodriguez, the other is David Price. I think they've become remarkably similar recently. Both have become 6 inning, 2 earned run, 7ish strikeout pitchers.

 

 

 

Well Price broke the mold last night with a dominant 7 inning 1 run performance. Way to go David!

[Natick to NC]

David went into Seattle and shut down the hottest team we have faced since Houston last year playoffs .I do think we are missing one impact bat and that bat should be Machdo ...yes I think we should go all in right now for another World Series Title .I know it's not a popular stance but there is no guarantee we see another chance like this for a decade or more . Edited June 15, 2018 by Natick to NC

[kenmeister]

David went into Seattle and shut down the hottest team we have faced since Houston last year playoffs .I do think we are missing one impact bat and that bat should be Machdo ...yes I think we should go all in right now for another World Series Title .I know it's not a popular stance but there is no guarantee we see another chance like this for a decade or more .

 

I wonder what the Orioles would ask for Machado. Velazquez would probably be the centerpiece.

[Station 13]

ERA+

Sale 158

Porcello 123

E-Rod 120

Price 116

[kenmeister]

Jalen Beeks went right back to dominating at AAA:

 

DATE OPP W L ERA SV IP H ER BB SO

06/13/2018 @SYR 1 0 2.42 0 7.0 6 1 0 7

[illinoisredsox]

I wonder what the Orioles would ask for Machado. Velazquez would probably be the centerpiece.

 

In what world? They are going to want a ton of prospects and maybe a very young cost controlled major league player. Velazquez at best is a 4-5 starter and more likely a middle reliever. As an add in, sure. As the centerpiece? Not a chanc

 

That’s the kind of deal that the Yankees would make in the late 50s with their American League farm team known as the Kansas City Athletics.

Edited June 15, 2018 by illinoisredsox

[mvp 78]

I wonder what the Orioles would ask for Machado. Velazquez would probably be the centerpiece.

 

Not a chance. Sox probably don't have a package that would make sense for the O's, but def not one centering around a 29 year old with a 1.4 WHIP.

[FredLynn]

In what world? They are going to want a ton of prospects and maybe a very young cost controlled major league player. Velazquez at best is a 4-5 starter and more likely a middle reliever. As an add in, sure. As the centerpiece? Not a chanc

 

That’s the kind of deal that the Yankees would make in the late 50s with their American League farm team known as the Kansas City Athletics.

 

Isn't Machado a FA after this year?

The Orioles are not going to get a haul for him unless he signs something long term. He is just going to be a rental. Velasquez might indeed be part of whats needed to get him if he is what the FO wants (I don't want him).

[kenmeister]

Isn't Machado a FA after this year?

The Orioles are not going to get a haul for him unless he signs something long term. He is just going to be a rental. Velasquez might indeed be part of whats needed to get him if he is what the FO wants (I don't want him).

 

That was my thought. Machado is a short-term rental. Velazquez could be a bona-fide major league starter, with many years of team control.

[jacksonianmarch]

Stop it. The O's are going to get a massive haul for Machado. Getting tweener Velasquez isn't even on their radar. The O's have a chance to upset the balance of power in baseball with his move. We dealt a rental in Chapman for Gleyber plus plus. So getting a top notch prospect is a must for them. They will have no shortage of teams willing to open their prospect wallets for him.

 

Seattle has Seager at 3b who is sucking rocks this year. Cano wont be playoff eligible. Dee Gordon is back at his old position. Of all the AL contenders, the Mariners are last in runs scored. The M's could look for a jolt and deal for Machado, shifting Segura to 2b and Gordon back to the OF or move Machado to 3b and do something else with Seager.

 

The Phillies are 4 games back of Atlanta and 2.5 games back of a wild card. They have a top prospect at SS who is struggling. Of the NL contenders, they have scored the least in runs.

 

The Cards are just ahead of the Phils in runs scored. Their 2b is hitting .180 with no power. They can easily reconfigure their infield. They're 1.5 games back of the Cubs for a wild card spot

 

The Dodgers lost Seager for the year. They have a top prospect who seems to be blocked in Verdugo. They're 2.5 games behind of an easily reachable DBacks team. They seem like the best bet

 

 

The O's should get a prospect haul, 3-4 prospects, at least 1 top 50 guy.

[moonslav59]

Jacko is right. We are not trading for Machado.

 

We don't have what it takes.

[FredLynn]

Jacko is right. We are not trading for Machado.

 

We don't have what it takes.

 

Jacko is wrong. I wouldn't send the Orioles any top prospects, let alone 3-4 of them-not for a two month rental. I would be shocked at the stupidity of any GM who is willing to give up some of the future of his team for a guy that come October will be wearing a different uniform. I would think about giving them Velasquez for Machado....maybe one more mid level guy too...but thats about it.

[moonslav59]

Jacko is wrong. I wouldn't send the Orioles any top prospects, let alone 3-4 of them-not for a two month rental. I would be shocked at the stupidity of any GM who is willing to give up some of the future of his team for a guy that come October will be wearing a different uniform. I would think about giving them Velasquez for Machado....maybe one more mid level guy too...but thats about it.

 

It happens every year. GMs give up the world for 2 month rentals.

 

Not only is it the wrong thing to do, we couldn't do it, even if we wanated to do it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jacko is wrong. I wouldn't send the Orioles any top prospects, let alone 3-4 of them-not for a two month rental. I would be shocked at the stupidity of any GM who is willing to give up some of the future of his team for a guy that come October will be wearing a different uniform. I would think about giving them Velasquez for Machado....maybe one more mid level guy too...but thats about it.

 

You clearly don't follow the deadline. There is always one GM that is willing to send the farm for a guy to give them one shot at winning it all. Happens every single year

[MADSTORK]

You clearly don't follow the deadline. There is always one GM that is willing to send the farm for a guy to give them one shot at winning it all. Happens every single year

 

How did that work out for Epstein?

[jacksonianmarch]

How did that work out for Epstein?

 

It broke a curse. The cubs would have dealt 100 Gleyber's for the title they won

[Bellhorn04]

Stop it. The O's are going to get a massive haul for Machado. Getting tweener Velasquez isn't even on their radar. The O's have a chance to upset the balance of power in baseball with his move. We dealt a rental in Chapman for Gleyber plus plus. So getting a top notch prospect is a must for them. They will have no shortage of teams willing to open their prospect wallets for him.

 

Seattle has Seager at 3b who is sucking rocks this year. Cano wont be playoff eligible. Dee Gordon is back at his old position. Of all the AL contenders, the Mariners are last in runs scored. The M's could look for a jolt and deal for Machado, shifting Segura to 2b and Gordon back to the OF or move Machado to 3b and do something else with Seager.

 

The Phillies are 4 games back of Atlanta and 2.5 games back of a wild card. They have a top prospect at SS who is struggling. Of the NL contenders, they have scored the least in runs.

 

The Cards are just ahead of the Phils in runs scored. Their 2b is hitting .180 with no power. They can easily reconfigure their infield. They're 1.5 games back of the Cubs for a wild card spot

 

The Dodgers lost Seager for the year. They have a top prospect who seems to be blocked in Verdugo. They're 2.5 games behind of an easily reachable DBacks team. They seem like the best bet

 

The O's should get a prospect haul, 3-4 prospects, at least 1 top 50 guy.

 

When was the last time an elite position player was dealt at the deadline?

 

Seems like it's usually pitchers who are the big prizes at the deadline.