Sox starting pitching thread

[mvp 78]

Price isn’t an ace anymore. If people are willing to consider him as a number three and are willing to overlook his salary, they’ll be satisfied.

 

I don't believe he has to be an ace. If he can stay healthy and pitch a large chunk of innings each year without being a disaster, it's a net positive for the Sox. You have to pay a premium to bring in FA's. Sometimes the contracts don't necessarily translate to performance on the field, but the Sox have been inept at developing front line starters my whole lifetime. It was a risk they needed to take.

[Spudboy]

Very interesting. I have never considered this.

 

Well does anyone remember Lester's facial expression during his Oakland press introduction?

 

He looked none too pleased.

 

I think that he was blind sided by the trade and while he may have been looking for more money in free agency, he was not looking to leave Boston.

 

I have no way of substantiating that view.

 

In any case, the Sox blew that.

 

Thanks Ben!

[MADSTORK]

Trading Pomeranz at the deadline is one of your stupidest ideas yet.

 

It won't 'free up' jack. He's a free agent next year and he looks like s*** so his value is depressed.

 

You're an idiot.

 

 

Highest Payroll in Baseball with a suspect starting staff and your calling me an idiot?

 

You need a legit RH Starter to supplement Sale Price ERod. You could say Porcello is that Pitcher but he also gives you the most trade value at the moment to restock the farm and clear payroll for a chance at an Elite starting pitcher in next years free agent class. Pomeranz can be moved. Contending Teams looking for a #4 or 5 should net a low level prospect to essentially replace Espinoza.

 

Lefty dominate rotation and Porcello's HR's allowed isn't going to beat NY in a series let alone Houston or Anaheim.

[Maxbialystock]

Highest Payroll in Baseball with a suspect starting staff and your calling me an idiot?

 

You need a legit RH Starter to supplement Sale Price ERod. You could say Porcello is that Pitcher but he also gives you the most trade value at the moment to restock the farm and clear payroll for a chance at an Elite starting pitcher in next years free agent class. Pomeranz can be moved. Contending Teams looking for a #4 or 5 should net a low level prospect to essentially replace Espinoza.

 

Lefty dominate rotation and Porcello's HR's allowed isn't going to beat NY in a series let alone Houston or Anaheim.

 

FWIW, Sox to date are 3-3 vs. the Yankees and 2-2 vs. the Astros. I'm fine with a rotation of Sale, Price, Porcello, ERod, and Wright. Did you notice we beat the Astros ace of aces Saturday and their 2d best last night? Did you not know that in 2013 the Tigers ace of aces--same guy, Verlander--lost a pitching duel to John Lackey of the Sox in a key ALCS game?

[kenmeister]

Well does anyone remember Lester's facial expression during his Oakland press introduction?

 

He looked none too pleased.

 

I think that he was blind sided by the trade and while he may have been looking for more money in free agency, he was not looking to leave Boston.

 

I have no way of substantiating that view.

 

In any case, the Sox blew that.

 

Thanks Ben!

 

That's my recollection too.

 

At any rate, interesting question about Sox-bred starters in our lifetime. Roger Clemens, Aaron Sele, Jon Lester, Clay Bucholz, really not too many that stuck. Many more guys like Felix Doubront who flamed out pretty quick. Long live Juan Pena and Kason Gabbard!

[Larry Cook]

With Pomeranz, first things first.

 

What is driving the velocity decrease? Injury? Mechanical problems? Loss of stuff?

 

I think if his velocity is like last year, then he has a chance to repeat last year’s results.

 

I mean, his 88 mph heater is not fooling too many hitters at the moment.

[Bellhorn04]

Highest Payroll in Baseball with a suspect starting staff and your calling me an idiot?

 

You need a legit RH Starter to supplement Sale Price ERod. You could say Porcello is that Pitcher but he also gives you the most trade value at the moment to restock the farm and clear payroll for a chance at an Elite starting pitcher in next years free agent class. Pomeranz can be moved. Contending Teams looking for a #4 or 5 should net a low level prospect to essentially replace Espinoza.

 

Lefty dominate rotation and Porcello's HR's allowed isn't going to beat NY in a series let alone Houston or Anaheim.

 

Um, you said we were going to get our clocks cleaned by Houston this weekend.

 

You're a classic goalpost-mover.

 

Keep it up though, you are somewhat entertaining.

[MADSTORK]

Losing Lester was one of many issues I had with the team's previous management. For what it's worth, I was aghast when they didn't resign Adrian Beltre, though that's going back a few more years. When a player proves they can play at a high level in Boston, I think Boston should make the extra effort to retain them. Not everyone can. So you had losing key players like Lester, Miller, Beltre, and the most inexplicable one in Lackey, taking on players who can't perform well here like Crawford, Sandoval, and Ramirez, resigning players past their prime like Beckett (and let's face it, Pedroia's contract is too long), and not going after key free agents like Scherzer and Nelson Cruz, and it's actually amazing a world series win was obtained this decade. Sandoval and Pedroia's contract will expire soon I think, but Price will be here for a while and as stated up thread, he's already just a #3. By the end of his contract we'll be lucky if he can nail the #5 spot. It is my sincere hope that the bad contracts end, the quality players like Betts are retained, and the critical free agents like JDM continue to be identified and signed.

 

The franchise is definitely going in the right direction and I think the starting pitching depth proves it. Now back to the Pomeranz-out-of-the-rotation watch.

 

 

 

How about that critical Free Agent in Price?

What Starting Pitching Depth? Johnson Wright Hector from the Mexican League? Outside of Sale there is no other power arm that can win you a Series let alone a Playoff game. Once again the inability of this Organization to develop Pitching is mind boggling but i guess that is to be expected when you hire a video Coordinator from Toronto to become the Assistant Director of Minor League Player Development. Priceless!

 

Last years first round pick in MLB Draft was and is to be projected as a Reliever with a pitching motion that is said to put a strain on his arm in THouck. Result 44IP 34 W. Thanks Ben...........Crockett that is.

[mvp 78]

Highest Payroll in Baseball with a suspect starting staff and your calling me an idiot?

 

You need a legit RH Starter to supplement Sale Price ERod. You could say Porcello is that Pitcher but he also gives you the most trade value at the moment to restock the farm and clear payroll for a chance at an Elite starting pitcher in next years free agent class. Pomeranz can be moved. Contending Teams looking for a #4 or 5 should net a low level prospect to essentially replace Espinoza.

 

Lefty dominate rotation and Porcello's HR's allowed isn't going to beat NY in a series let alone Houston or Anaheim.

 

Suspect?!?!?

 

Sale, Price (CY winner), Porcello (CY winner), ERod, Pom

 

Pomeranz isn't that great, but if he pitched like last season, every other club would love to have that as a #5. I'm not sure what you're expecting out of a rotation.

[mvp 78]

How about that critical Free Agent in Price?

What Starting Pitching Depth? Johnson Wright Hector from the Mexican League? Outside of Sale there is no other power arm that can win you a Series let alone a Playoff game. Once again the inability of this Organization to develop Pitching is mind boggling but i guess that is to be expected when you hire a video Coordinator from Toronto to become the Assistant Director of Minor League Player Development. Priceless!

 

Last years first round pick in MLB Draft was and is to be projected as a Reliever with a pitching motion that is said to put a strain on his arm in THouck. Result 44IP 34 W. Thanks Ben...........Crockett that is.

 

With Houck, they are completely revamping his pitching repertoire and delivery. I don't think they are worried about his development at the moment.

[Bellhorn04]

Pomeranz can be moved. Contending Teams looking for a #4 or 5 should net a low level prospect to essentially replace Espinoza.

 

How does a low level prospect replace Espinoza, a high level prospect when he was dealt? You speak in riddles.

[moonslav59]

We must be using smoke and mirrors, since all our starters suck, except Sale.

[moonslav59]

Maybe our starter depth is an illusion, but I'm pretty certain most teams don't have the SP'er depth we have.

 

Steven Wright (our best pitcher for a half season before getting hurt)

 

Velazquez & Johnson (3 GS, 16.2 IP, 4 ER --2.20 ERA)

 

Pom has certainly sucked, but he still could return to near 2017 levels.

 

ERod has looked sharp and is finally living up to expectations after finally getting his knee fixed.

 

Porcello won the freakin' Cy Young just 2 years ago, and has pitched well this year.

 

Price is a wild card due to his injury or pending injury, but he can be an ace as easily as just about anyone else.

 

Sale is again in the Cy Young race.

 

The Yankee rotation has way more question marks than ours.

 

The Astros rotation started out on fire, and probably will end up better than ours, but it's close.

 

Cleveland always has injury issues with their starters.

 

We stack up pretty well with anyone, and our offense is right up there, too.

[Spudboy]

Is this mad dork gut a Sox fan?

 

He seems to take great joy in denigrating our team.

[sk7326]

Maybe our starter depth is an illusion, but I'm pretty certain most teams don't have the SP'er depth we have.

 

Steven Wright (our best pitcher for a half season before getting hurt)

 

Velazquez & Johnson (3 GS, 16.2 IP, 4 ER --2.20 ERA)

 

Pom has certainly sucked, but he still could return to near 2017 levels.

 

ERod has looked sharp and is finally living up to expectations after finally getting his knee fixed.

 

Porcello won the freakin' Cy Young just 2 years ago, and has pitched well this year.

 

Price is a wild card due to his injury or pending injury, but he can be an ace as easily as just about anyone else.

 

Sale is again in the Cy Young race.

 

The Yankee rotation has way more question marks than ours.

 

The Astros rotation started out on fire, and probably will end up better than ours, but it's close.

 

Cleveland always has injury issues with their starters.

 

We stack up pretty well with anyone, and our offense is right up there, too.

 

The one thing almost every team can complain about is starting depth ... yeah who wouldn't want an upgrade on the #4 and #5 spot. But the avenues to upgrade are few and very expensive (Cole Hamels!). And considering, our bottom guys are pretty good by those standards.

[kenmeister]

How about that critical Free Agent in Price?

What Starting Pitching Depth? Johnson Wright Hector from the Mexican League? Outside of Sale there is no other power arm that can win you a Series let alone a Playoff game. Once again the inability of this Organization to develop Pitching is mind boggling but i guess that is to be expected when you hire a video Coordinator from Toronto to become the Assistant Director of Minor League Player Development. Priceless!

 

Last years first round pick in MLB Draft was and is to be projected as a Reliever with a pitching motion that is said to put a strain on his arm in THouck. Result 44IP 34 W. Thanks Ben...........Crockett that is.

 

I just looked again at Jalen Beeks’ minor league stats. He looks very deserving of a major league promotion. So the way I see it, Wright’s start tomorrow night is a trial. If he succeeds and Pomeranz fails again, Wright will replace Pomeranz. That still leaves Velazquez, Johnson, and Beeks as legitimate starting options. I’d say that’s pretty good depth. There’s also another AAA pitcher Cuevas that looks pretty good.

 

Now I get it, some AAA pitchers like Henry Owens and Brian Rose look pretty good at AAA but never make it in the majors. But unless you give them a chance, you’ll never know.

[MADSTORK]

How does a low level prospect replace Espinoza, a high level prospect when he was dealt? You speak in riddles.

 

Scouting report on Espinoza was he could hit 96 with movement. There are a ton of those guys. Its about control see Joe Kelly. The problem with Pomeranz is, he was and is a two pitch pitcher, fastball and curve. You get into the playoffs as we saw last year vs elite lineups you cannot compete thus 2IP 4ER and you lose.

Outside of Shaw for an injured Reliever this deal is right up there in the Bust category. Deal him for a low level prospect and salvage something from the mistake.

[Maxbialystock]

I am fine with our current rotation, including Wright but not Pom, for now and for the postseason. Sale, Price, Pom, ERod, and Wright are all capable of shutting down even good lineups, but probably not for 8 or 9 (or maybe 7) innings.

[mvp 78]

Scouting report on Espinoza was he could hit 96 with movement. There are a ton of those guys. Its about control see Joe Kelly. The problem with Pomeranz is, he was and is a two pitch pitcher, fastball and curve. You get into the playoffs as we saw last year vs elite lineups you cannot compete thus 2IP 4ER and you lose.

Outside of Shaw for an injured Reliever this deal is right up there in the Bust category. Deal him for a low level prospect and salvage something from the mistake.

 

How many pitches has Espinoza thrown this year?

[moonslav59]

How many pitches has Espinoza thrown this year?

 

He hasn't walked anyone and has let up zero HRs!

[mvp 78]

He hasn't walked anyone and has let up zero HRs!

 

True! His WHIP last year was outstanding.

[mvp 78]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Drew Pomeranz is headed to the DL with biceps tendinitis. Cora expects Steven Wright to remain in the rotation.

[moonslav59]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Drew Pomeranz is headed to the DL with biceps tendinitis. Cora expects Steven Wright to remain in the rotation.

 

I guess that solves that question for a few days, anyways.

[kenmeister]

@jcmccaffrey

 

Drew Pomeranz is headed to the DL with biceps tendinitis. Cora expects Steven Wright to remain in the rotation.

 

Oh thank heavens!

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Oh baby, the best pitching prospect in the game might get a start on Thursday:

As for what happens to the rotation from here, Steven Wright is starting tonight in what was supposed to be a spot start in order to get the rest of the rotation rest. Instead, it seems he’ll stick in the rotation according to Cora. However, the pitchers will still get that extra rest as Chris Sale isn’t being pushed to Thursday’s start. They haven’t announced who will get that Thursday start, but it’s worth noting that Jalen Beeks is scheduled to start that day. My guess is that he’ll get the nod for a spot start.

https://www.overthemonster.com/2018/6/5/17431254/drew-pomeranz-disabled-list-red-sox-rotation-brandon-workman

 

Can't wait!

[jacksonianmarch]

best pitching prospect in baseball? LOLOL

[sk7326]

best pitching prospect in baseball? LOLOL

 

LOL - agreed. 80 Ks in 56 IP is very encouraging fwiw

[Slasher9]

Hey Wright...welcome to the rotation.

[moonslav59]

With Pom & Price being so shaky, ERod coming back from knee surgery and Sale and Porcello taking the ball every 5 dyas, we haven't needed starting pitcher depth as much as previous seasons.

 

When we have needed it, we've come through very well.

 

0.00 Wright 7 IP

1.50 Johnson 6 IP

2.53 Velazquez 10.2 IP

 

1.52 ERA

4 starts

23.2 IP

4 ER

18 H

21 K/ 7 BB

 

 

[Slasher9]

With Pom & Price being so shaky, ERod coming back from knee surgery and Sale and Porcello taking the ball every 5 dyas, we haven't needed starting pitcher depth as much as previous seasons.

 

When we have needed it, we've come through very well.

 

0.00 Wright 7 IP

1.50 Johnson 6 IP

2.53 Velazquez 10.2 IP

 

1.52 ERA

4 starts

23.2 IP

4 ER

18 H

21 K/ 7 BB

 

 

Here’s hoping Beeks continues that trend on Thursday.....