Sox starting pitching thread

[Maxbialystock]

The rotation looks worlds better now that Pomeranz is at least temporarily out, replaced by Wright with a 7 shutout inning performance, and Price and E-Rod are the reliable 6 inning wonder boys But yeah, Sale is a bit of a head-scratcher. If he can manage to regain his form - and Mookie comes off the DL - we will be downright scary. I don't think we need Pedroia or Thornburg to return.

 

Agree on all even though I like Pedey a lot.

[Maxbialystock]

I'll say it again and the facts are undisputed. Minus Wright add DP, Sox Starters above in the last 2 Post seasons = 16.2 IP 23 ER, 3 inning per start average. Numbers do not lie, end of discussion.

 

Seriously, do you want a knuckleballer and 2 long relief pitchers backing up the starters or making a playoff start?

Porcello has gave it up both post season years. Price "look up the post season numbers again" and a very inconsistent ERod who averages 100 pitches and less than 5IP an outing. I'll give Sale a pass due to over throwing.

 

Put the pink hats down and the pom poms, the 7 dollar hotdogs, 10 dollar cup of booze (not to mention the insane parking fee) and recognize the Red Sox need help in the Rotation.

 

Now Reports have it Yanks after a SP as well. Reports off Rotoworld have Mets taking calls. Make a call on ZWheeler and other power arms who become available.

 

Postseason???? This is about the postseason? That's an ice age away. It's early June and hard enough to keep the Yankees from running us over. You only need three good starters--maybe just two--for the postseason and 2 or 3 good relievers, so we'll have to revisit this idea in September.

 

But right now it's the long haul and for that five good starters is just what we need.

[notin]

 

Seriously, do you want a knuckleballer and 2 long relief pitchers backing up the starters or making a playoff start?

Porcello has gave it up both post season years. Price "look up the post season numbers .

 

Porcello has made two post-season starts 12 months apart.

 

Price has made one post-season start for Boston.

 

And before you write off knuckleballers, Wakefield was very good for the Sox in 2003 and 2004...

[Jack Flap]

I'll say it again and the facts are undisputed. Minus Wright add DP, Sox Starters above in the last 2 Post seasons = 16.2 IP 23 ER, 3 inning per start average. Numbers do not lie, end of discussion.

 

Seriously, do you want a knuckleballer and 2 long relief pitchers backing up the starters or making a playoff start?

Porcello has gave it up both post season years. Price "look up the post season numbers again" and a very inconsistent ERod who averages 100 pitches and less than 5IP an outing. I'll give Sale a pass due to over throwing.

 

Put the pink hats down and the pom poms, the 7 dollar hotdogs, 10 dollar cup of booze (not to mention the insane parking fee) and recognize the Red Sox need help in the Rotation.

 

Now Reports have it Yanks after a SP as well. Reports off Rotoworld have Mets taking calls. Make a call on ZWheeler and other power arms who become available.

 

Sooo you trash our current staff, but think we need to target Zack Wheeler (who has worse numbers than Eduardo and has never pitched in the postseason, which is apparently the ultimate indicator of a pitcher's value)? Never mind the question of what prospects we have to make such a deal?

[kenmeister]

Agree on all even though I like Pedey a lot.

 

You liked Pedey a lot. I’m putting that in past tense because I’m skeptical he has much more to give.

[OH FOY]

Justin Haley got promoted? Been a tough luck loser down at Pawtucket. Game I went to he pitched Damn good against the Yanks Triple AAA team and Justus Sheffield, actually out pitched him that day.

[notin]

Sooo you trash our current staff, but think we need to target Zack Wheeler (who has worse numbers than Eduardo and has never pitched in the postseason, which is apparently the ultimate indicator of a pitcher's value)? Never mind the question of what prospects we have to make such a deal?

 

Yeah Zack Wheeler was a laughable add, too. The guy gets injured watching baseball..

[MADSTORK]

Sooo you trash our current staff, but think we need to target Zack Wheeler (who has worse numbers than Eduardo and has never pitched in the postseason, which is apparently the ultimate indicator of a pitcher's value)? Never mind the question of what prospects we have to make such a deal?

 

Post season Stats do not lie. See Pedro Schilling Lester Beckett and Lackey. Result 3 Rings with Pitchers who you know can get the job done in a pressure packed Series. Its all about Power Pitching.

 

Far as Wheeler goes its his first season back after TJ. Look at the numbers pre-surgery. Power Arm and Yes you are correct no playoff experience but I'll take my chances if the deal is right.

 

Plenty to deal, I'd start with Vazquez since NY has zero C and several arms in the ML's from Mata to beeks

[MADSTORK]

Yeah Zack Wheeler was a laughable add, too. The guy gets injured watching baseball..

 

 

Do your homework first

[MADSTORK]

Porcello has made two post-season starts 12 months apart.

 

Price has made one post-season start for Boston.

 

And before you write off knuckleballers, Wakefield was very good for the Sox in 2003 and 2004...

 

 

What does 12 months apart or 1 start have to do with it? The numbers don't lie

[moonslav59]

What does 12 months apart or 1 start have to do with it? The numbers don't lie

 

Small sample size numbers that are spread out are not good indicators of what is to come.

 

Even the guy you mentioned, Beckett, who was on his way towards becoming MLB's greatest playoff starting pitcher in history, sucked in his last 4 starts (twice the sample size as Porcello's with the Sox).

[notin]

Do your homework first

 

Right. Wheeler threw 86 IP over the three previous year and isn't a health risk. And per your argument, David Price was never a power pitcher...

[moonslav59]

Right. Wheeler threw 86 IP over the three previous year and isn't a health risk. And per your argument, David Price was never a power pitcher...

 

Is there a homework assignment embedded in this post?

[Bellhorn04]

What does 12 months apart or 1 start have to do with it? The numbers don't lie

 

As I said in a previous post, Verlander had a 5.57 ERA in his first 8 postseason starts. No lie. You can look it up!

[moonslav59]

As I said in a previous post, Verlander had a 5.57 ERA in his first 8 postseason starts. No lie. You can look it up!

 

Looks like this homework assignment proves past performances in small sample sizes prove nothing.

[notin]

What does 12 months apart or 1 start have to do with it? The numbers don't lie

 

Post-season stats are practically worthless. They are always a small number of games spread out over several years. ..

[cp176]

Post-season stats are practically worthless. They are always a small number of games spread out over several years. ..

 

I agree with you here for sure notin. You have to get to the post season before you can win the post season. Normal people don't place a tremendous amount of value on simple post season stats I hope. Think that I would take a big dose of Chris Sale anytime. I could care less about just his post season stats.

[moonslav59]

It's like saying pitcher A has a 5.75 ERA every last 2 starts of July. He sucks.

[MADSTORK]

As I said in a previous post, Verlander had a 5.57 ERA in his first 8 postseason starts. No lie. You can look it up!

 

You are correct. 2006 WS he was not good and again in the 12 ALCS. Overall body of work has been pretty good with 11 wins and a 3 ERA.

 

Ask yourself this ? Would you want Verlander starting Game 2 or Porcello?

Porcello had a career 4.7 ERA when traded for. Inconsistent at best. Cy Young Award means nothing. Overall numbers headed by very poor post season numbers does not warrant 22 million a season. Trade this player while the numbers look good and set your payroll up for 19.

[MADSTORK]

Post-season stats are practically worthless. They are always a small number of games spread out over several years. ..

 

LOL! Okay, so in your world guys like Lester Beckett Lackey and Schilling's post season numbers should not factor at all in a future contract or extension? Just hand out 22 million to porcello and in Price's case 30 million to regular season stats only.

 

This is why your Tax strapped. Foolish contracts. Priceless

Edited June 10, 2018 by MADSTORK

[MADSTORK]

I agree with you here for sure notin. You have to get to the post season before you can win the post season. Normal people don't place a tremendous amount of value on simple post season stats I hope. Think that I would take a big dose of Chris Sale anytime. I could care less about just his post season stats.

 

 

David Price Post Season 73 IP 73 H 42 ER allowed. This clown was pulled from the playoff rotation in Toronto and DD gives him 30 million with no club options, ridiculous!

 

How can you not factor those stats into a Pitchers contract or extension? It's bad business and the Organization is paying for it now

[cp176]

David Price Post Season 73 IP 73 H 42 ER allowed. This clown was pulled from the playoff rotation in Toronto and DD gives him 30 million with no club options, ridiculous!

 

How can you not factor those stats into a Pitchers contract or extension? It's bad business and the Organization is paying for it now

 

It is not my money that is pretty much how I can make it through the day without worrying about needless little s*** like this. You have to get to the big dance before you can win it. Having Sale and a healthy Price at the top of our rotation gives us a good chance to get there. That works for me and probably the majority of people who have ever been involved with the game at any level.

[Kimmi]

David Price Post Season 73 IP 73 H 42 ER allowed. This clown was pulled from the playoff rotation in Toronto and DD gives him 30 million with no club options, ridiculous!

 

How can you not factor those stats into a Pitchers contract or extension? It's bad business and the Organization is paying for it now

 

Any GM who would give or not give a player a contract based on postseason numbers is not a GM that I want running my team.

[mvp 78]

Any GM who would give or not give a player a contract based on postseason numbers is not a GM that I want running my team.

 

Sandoval was formally introduced in a press conference at Fenway Park Tuesday.

 

“This is a guy who’s been a big winner, he’s been a performer when it counts the most,” general manager Ben Cherington said. “He’s respected as a teammate, loves to play, and we think really fits what we’re all about here. We’re really looking forward to having him in a Red Sox uniform in the middle of our lineup for years to come.”

[Kimmi]

Sandoval was formally introduced in a press conference at Fenway Park Tuesday.

 

“This is a guy who’s been a big winner, he’s been a performer when it counts the most,” general manager Ben Cherington said. “He’s respected as a teammate, loves to play, and we think really fits what we’re all about here. We’re really looking forward to having him in a Red Sox uniform in the middle of our lineup for years to come.”

 

LOL

 

Thanks Larry!

[Bellhorn04]

LOL

 

Thanks Larry!

 

And thanks Ben for being Larry's puppet!

[moonslav59]

And thanks Ben for being Larry's puppet!

 

Does that make Larry Henry's puppet?

[mvp 78]

Tom Werer is sitting on the Monster with a Larry and a John Henry puppet recreating a scene from Sox Appeal.

[notin]

LOL! Okay, so in your world guys like Lester Beckett Lackey and Schilling's post season numbers should not factor at all in a future contract or extension? Just hand out 22 million to porcello and in Price's case 30 million to regular season stats only.

 

This is why your Tax strapped. Foolish contracts. Priceless

 

So are you saying you think the Sox would be better off signing Charlie Morton instead of Chris Sale?

 

As said before, paying for the post-season gets you Pablo Sandoval. ..

[notin]

LOL! Okay, so in your world guys like Lester Beckett Lackey and Schilling's post season numbers should not factor at all in a future contract or extension? Just hand out 22 million to porcello and in Price's case 30 million to regular season stats only.

 

This is why your Tax strapped. Foolish contracts. Priceless

 

How did that Beckett extension work out?