Early Trade deadline deals the selling Sox should make

[mvp 78]

12 minutes ago, Old Red said:

I know we heard from you before that if you don’t think the Red Sox are good enough then why bother, and that works for you, but I think most fans will take a postseason appearance no matter what IMO, and that works for them. 

I have standards. Winning a WS is important. That should be the end goal. They should be working towards that, not towards a team that is endlessly fighting for a 3rd place finish (which is what they'd be doing if they continue on their current path and don't sell when able). 

[mvp 78]

Just now, notin said:

Sox didn’t win the AL East in 2004 or 2007…

No, but they won 98 games in '04 and 96 in '07. Winning 86 games isn't going to get it done. It's not enough! 

[notin]

1 minute ago, mvp 78 said:

Listen, 26 games that were played in March and April can definitively show that this dude FLIPPITY FLOPPED!!! 

Just flipping and flopping like a carp on the sidewalk…

[mvp 78]

And they won the AL East by 2 games in '07.

 

[notin]

Just now, mvp 78 said:

No, but they won 98 games in '04 and 96 in '07. Winning 86 games isn't going to get it done. It's not enough! 

Didn’t the DBacks get to the WS with 86 wins just 3 years ago?

Id like to see a 98 win team in Boston today, but it’s not going to happen this year (barring September games when an occasional team with 98 wins comes to visit).

But I’ll take an 86 win playoff team, especially if that team has a key injury return or some reason to think they’ve been underperforming all year…

[notin]

3 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

And they won the AL East by 2 games in '07.

 

But only because other teams played 2 or more games worse than they did…

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

But only because other teams played 2 or more games worse than they did…

Yeah, that'll happen sometimes. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, notin said:

Didn’t the DBacks get to the WS with 86 wins just 3 years ago?

Id like to see a 98 win team in Boston today, but it’s not going to happen this year (barring September games when an occasional team with 98 wins comes to visit).

But I’ll take an 86 win playoff team, especially if that team has a key injury return or some reason to think they’ve been underperforming all year…

The DBags' luck ran out and they got SMOKED in the WS. Shame. 

If a < 90 win team wins a WS once every 20 years, big whoop. The goal needs to be 95 wins. Get a team that is going to be a wagon, that is going to steamroll other teams during the regular season.

This dynamics of this team are fundamentally broken and the FO has to go back to the drawing board. Admit the mistakes and move on. 

[Duran Is The Man]

45 minutes ago, notin said:

Hey, Michael Holley - yes, THAT Michael Holley called him a flop.  

We’re not talking about some random egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings.  We’re talking about Michael Holley, a very specific egotistical sports-centric radio personality that spouts premature, stupid and controversial unsupported arguments solely to attain ratings…

i've never heard of him.

[notin]

11 minutes ago, Duran Is The Man said:

i've never heard of him.

He likely hasn’t heard of you either…

[vegasbob]

2 hours ago, notin said:

Well, the answer should be “get prospects now” rather than questionable Allen Craig/Yoenis Cespedes vets that were acquired during previous deadline fire sales.  Then come November, you have more prospect capital to trade for players you need.  I thought when I said: 

“Get prospects.  If we need vets (and we do) those trades can be made in the off-season, when no one is limited to selling or buying”, that I was being fairly explicit that it shouldn’t be a straight prospect  build.

Also bear in mind, teams that want Chapman will NOT be trading RHH sluggers in July/August.  November might be a different story…

There is a risk that Chapman won't reach the 40 inning 2027 contract trigger if he only pitches in closing situations.

Thus, I expect Bres to direct Tracy to get Chapman in more games to enhance his trade value.

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

You'd rather they keep rolling these guys out there? Let Chapman, Gray, Contreras all be gone after 2027 without anything to show for it? 

MVP you and I argued the merits of veteran guys for a week. You know I’m not advocating status quo. 
 

im advocating taking bad contracts back, to get decent actual baseball players. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, UtahSox said:

MVP you and I argued the merits of veteran guys for a week. You know I’m not advocating status quo. 
 

im advocating taking bad contracts back, to get decent actual baseball players. 

I'd have to see the actual trade before I could make a fair assessment. Just to add Adames? No! Add a bad contract to take on an exciting young player? Ok. 

[vegasbob]

The Sox will have no need to bargain for vets on the downhill slope. This team is not 1 guy away from supercharged.   They are an AMC Pacer sputtering with a clogged carb.

Get prospects as recommended

[UtahSox]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd have to see the actual trade before I could make a fair assessment. Just to add Adames? No! Add a bad contract to take on an exciting young player? Ok. 

At this point I’ll take on Adames, Chapman, AND Devers if they take Yoshida and Story…..

 

I can’t watch this ass lineup anymore…….  it’s beyond painful. 

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, UtahSox said:

At this point I’ll take on Adames, Chapman, AND Devers if they take Yoshida and Story…..

 

I can’t watch this ass lineup anymore…….  it’s beyond painful. 

I'd rather keep Story and Masa because their contracts expire next season. The other contracts are on the books into the 2030's and those players will continue to decline. SF has a worse record than BOS does. The Sox don't need their help! 

[UtahSox]

31 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd rather keep Story and Masa because their contracts expire next season. The other contracts are on the books into the 2030's and those players will continue to decline. SF has a worse record than BOS does. The Sox don't need their help! 

Sox need help from good baseball players…. Period I don’t care who they are or how we get them. I’ll worry about 2030 in 2030

[Old Red]

30 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd rather keep Story and Masa because their contracts expire next season. The other contracts are on the books into the 2030's and those players will continue to decline. SF has a worse record than BOS does. The Sox don't need their help! 

Ah yes the gift from Bloom that keeps on giving.

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

The DBags' luck ran out and they got SMOKED in the WS. Shame. 

If a < 90 win team wins a WS once every 20 years, big whoop. The goal needs to be 95 wins. Get a team that is going to be a wagon, that is going to steamroll other teams during the regular season.

This dynamics of this team are fundamentally broken and the FO has to go back to the drawing board. Admit the mistakes and move on. 

I agree admit the mistakes, and move on, but the same people making the mistakes are still there.🤭🤔

[mvp 78]

1 minute ago, Old Red said:

Ah yes the gift from Bloom that keeps on giving.

Nobody on here was excited about the Story contract when it was signed. Other GM's panned the Masa signing right after. Not great! 

[Old Red]

3 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Listen, 26 games that were played in March and April can definitively show that this dude FLIPPITY FLOPPED!!! 

So far this year? YES!

[mvp 78]

Just now, Old Red said:

I agree admit the mistakes, and move on, but the same people making the mistakes are still there.🤭🤔

Maybe that's a mistake that the Sox will admit and move on from? We'll see. I think they are stuck with that mistake unless they have an internal candidate or have been talking to people on the side. Henry isn't good at being sneaky though. He clomps around like an elephant. If he was talking to people outside the org, we'd be hearing about it. 

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

So far this year? YES!

Hopefully he doesn't flop as hard as Holley's hairline. 

[vegasbob]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Maybe that's a mistake that the Sox will admit and move on from? We'll see. I think they are stuck with that mistake unless they have an internal candidate or have been talking to people on the side. Henry isn't good at being sneaky though. He clomps around like an elephant. If he was talking to people outside the org, we'd be hearing about it. 

Sorry for being a broken record but Henry knows '27 is very questionable while '26 is lost as is his 2 best drawing cards (RA & GC).

So no drastic moves with Bres nor Tracy. The trade deadline will be prospects only, dump any '27++ contracts if possible

[harmony]

3 hours ago, notin said:

Didn’t the DBacks get to the WS with 86 wins just 3 years ago?

Id like to see a 98 win team in Boston today, but it’s not going to happen this year (barring September games when an occasional team with 98 wins comes to visit).

But I’ll take an 86 win playoff team, especially if that team has a key injury return or some reason to think they’ve been underperforming all year…

The Arizona Diamondbacks won only 84 regular-season games en route to a berth in the 2023 World Series:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/ARI/2023.shtml

The 2021 Atlanta Braves won the World Series after only 88 regular-season wins; the 2022 Philadelphia Phillies advanced to the World Series with only 87 victoties in the regular season.

[Old Red]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Hopefully he doesn't flop as hard as Holley's hairline. 

You guys Crack me up when you down sports talk radio/tv, or sports writers you don’t like when TS is just a lesser version in itself from sports talk radio. I know it’s hard to fathom they might know more than the posters on here. I hear both, and I think that sometimes there are good points from both sides. Get as many different opinions as you can, or be sheltered whatever works for you..

[Old Red]

7 hours ago, notin said:

And use him as your sole source of information.

Since you clearly don’t know, most of sports media isn’t there to inform you.  They exist solely to create controversy often where none exists so they can bolster ratings.  Anyone calling a player “a flop” after 30 games is clearly not there to provide actual information.  Holley exists to give reasons to complain to folks either unimaginative enough to come up with their own or folks in desperate search for validation through confirmation bias…

Number 1 I had already said little Anthony had been a suspect so far this season before Holly called him a flop. I only threw Holly’s name out to show what was being said elsewhere. Just like today when I heard a fan say they were fed up with Anthony already with his no shows, and lack of production. I don’t know where you got the silly notion from that Holly was a sole source outside of not venturing outside from here.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, mvp 78 said:

I'd rather keep Story and Masa because their contracts expire next season. The other contracts are on the books into the 2030's and those players will continue to decline. SF has a worse record than BOS does. The Sox don't need their help! 

Im not looking forward to Story and Masas contracts ending, its just going to be more pitching by oops all pitching craig stinkslow.

[notin]

4 hours ago, Old Red said:

You guys Crack me up when you down sports talk radio/tv, or sports writers you don’t like when TS is just a lesser version in itself from sports talk radio. I know it’s hard to fathom they might know more than the posters on here. I hear both, and I think that sometimes there are good points from both sides. Get as many different opinions as you can, or be sheltered whatever works for you..

1. Holley really is an idiot.

2.  No one said any of us weren’t.

3. Honestly, there should be a big difference in information disseminated from a man with a radio show capable of reaching thousands and maybe a couple dozen folks whose entire audience is each other.

[Old Red]

14 minutes ago, notin said:

1. Holley really is an idiot.

2.  No one said any of us weren’t.

3. Honestly, there should be a big difference in information disseminated from a man with a radio show capable of reaching thousands and maybe a couple dozen folks whose entire audience is each other.

If Holly was the only one saying it that would be one thing, but I’ve heard FANS on 3 other shows say the same thing. To much singling out on just Holly when other fans are saying the same things.