Red Sox (Bello) vs Braves (Holmes): 5/17/26, 1:35pm

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

8 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

and that's really all it would take.... a couple of our guys to get on a hot streak.

I totally expect our high-priced DH to get as hot as the high-priced DH in Philadelphia. Then we'll see how fast the Red Sox rise under their new manager.

Don't laugh just because Schwarber has 20 home runs and Yoshida has ZERO. At least he has 20 hits this year.

[moonslav59]

7 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

Salary relief? Nobody’s going to take him with the way his contract is structured. He’s makes $6M this year, $8.5M in 2027, $16M in 2028 and $19M in 2029.  There’s also a $21M club option in 2030 with a $1M buyout.  
The Sox would have to pay 90% of that money for someone to take him.  There’s no salary relief.

 

Maybe 60-75%, but your point stands.

IMO, it's better to not pay 75% and just hope he gets his act together- maybe as a 2-3 IP RP'er at $19M in '29. (He's no Whitlock, for sure.)

[mvp 78]

7 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

Salary relief? Nobody’s going to take him with the way his contract is structured. He’s makes $6M this year, $8.5M in 2027, $16M in 2028 and $19M in 2029.  There’s also a $21M club option in 2030 with a $1M buyout.  
 

The Sox would have to pay 90% of that money for someone to take him.  There’s no salary relief.

The longer the Sox wait, the higher the AAV goes up for CBT purposes as it gets recalculated at the time of the trade as well. 

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I totally expect our high-priced DH to get as hot as the high-priced DH in Philadelphia. Then we'll see how fast the Red Sox rise under their new manager.

Don't laugh just because Schwarber has 20 home runs and Yoshida has ZERO. At least he has 20 hits this year.

Masa was odd man out before little Anthony got hurt, and now he’s odd man out for the Great Gasper. Story, and Masa the gifts from Bloom that keeps on giving.

[mvp 78]

3 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Ma#a was odd man out before little Anthony got hurt, and now he’s odd man out for the Great Gasper. Story, and Masa the gifts from Bloom that keeps on giving.

He has a 503 OPS since April 21st. One XBH in 48 PA. 1 RBI. 

He's not earning a spot. 

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He has a 503 OPS since April 21st. One XBH in 48 PA. 1 RBI. 

He's not earning a spot. 

I agree on that. Neither Duran, or Masa has taken advantage of their chances since little Anthony has been out.

[Nick]

Maybe the organization should rethink about extending young players early.

Christian Campbell, now Bello. I still do like Rafaela extension. Crochet was a no brainer. We got him with free agency pending. 

I like what Breslow is doing with drafting young starting pitchers. We should model after Tampa Bay with exception of occasional big contracts for proven talent. Schwarber comes to mind. 

[moonslav59]

38 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

The longer the Sox wait, the higher the AAV goes up for CBT purposes as it gets recalculated at the time of the trade as well. 

Assuming who we trade him to, care about the luxury tax.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, Nick said:

Maybe the organization should rethink about extending young players.

Christian Campbell, now Bello. I still do like Rafaela extension. Crochet was a no brainer. We got him with free agency pending. 

Yes, Crochet was in a different class of extensions. He was to become a FA after 2026, and the Sox extended him before the 2025 season (2 years before FA.)

The kids were all pre-arb. (4-5 years left.)

Good thing we didn't extend Duran, Houck, Crawford and Casas, although I guess we tried with Casas.

[mvp 78]

9 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Assuming who we trade him to, care about the luxury tax.

It'd be a lot easier to deal him if he was just on an ARB contract. 

[mvp 78]

11 minutes ago, Nick said:

Maybe the organization should rethink about extending young players early.

Christian Campbell, now Bello. I still do like Rafaela extension. Crochet was a no brainer. We got him with free agency pending. 

I like what Breslow is doing with drafting young starting pitchers. We should model after Tampa Bay with exception of occasional big contracts for proven talent. Schwarber comes to mind. 

Anthony and Crochet were slam dunks. Campbell was seen as a below market deal at the time TBH. We're not happy about it now. 

 

[moonslav59]

5 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It'd be a lot easier to deal him if he was just on an ARB contract. 

No doubt.

Like Duran, they should have traded him 1-2 years ago.

[notin]

2 hours ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

I totally expect our high-priced DH to get as hot as the high-priced DH in Philadelphia. Then we'll see how fast the Red Sox rise under their new manager.

Don't laugh just because Schwarber has 20 home runs and Yoshida has ZERO. At least he has 20 hits this year.

The Phillies high priced DH wasn’t hitting so well with his .792 OPS when the team was 22-29 in 2022.  
 

I expect more from Yoshida, who has been slumping, but he’s not exactly the guy dragging this team down wuth his underperformance.  And this Sox team is better than those Phillies teams at some aspects of baseball, primarily defense.

If the Sox can start hitting like they did last year, which wasn’t a career year for any non-rookie, they can get back in it…

[FredLynn]

13 hours ago, notin said:

A lot of the Phillies’ resurgence has been an unreal hot streak from Schwarber.  The Sox need some of their underperforming hitters to get moderately hot.

The 2022 Phillies started out 22-29, replaced Girardi with rookie manager Rob Thomson, and made it to the World Series.   It’s not over yet

Its over. Other teams change managers and experience a resurgence because they have talented players. We don't. IKF. Story. Durbin. Gaspar. Etc. No really talented players offensively. BresLOW did a good job signing Ranger, but that was it. He forgot about the pen and the offense. 

Its over.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

57 minutes ago, notin said:

The Phillies high priced DH wasn’t hitting so well with his .792 OPS when the team was 22-29 in 2022.  
 

I expect more from Yoshida, who has been slumping, but he’s not exactly the guy dragging this team down wuth his underperformance.  And this Sox team is better than those Phillies teams at some aspects of baseball, primarily defense.

If the Sox can start hitting like they did last year, which wasn’t a career year for any non-rookie, they can get back in it…

Of course it's not Yoshida's fault -- they won't even let him play most of the time. It's just a brutal contrast for this front office that all decade long has opted for things like letting Schwarber leave and instead overpaying for an inferior bat from the other side of the world that they apparently scouted for years playing in an inferior league.

I agree they can still contend for a wild card, though every win is going to feel like recovering from double hernia surgery. But I also don't think the vets who aren't hitting will get all season to snap out of it. The sub-.600 guys probably have by the end of June at the latest before major changes take effect.

And I'm not counting on Anthony to return and become Ted Williams or Ted Danson or Anson Williams... (well, maybe Potsy). His injury is from swinging the bat -- just like Casas, who's never been the same for various reasons since.

[mvp 78]

2 minutes ago, FredLynn said:

Its over. Other teams change managers and experience a resurgence because they have talented players. We don't. IKF. Story. Durbin. Gaspar. Etc. No really talented players offensively. BresLOW did a good job signing Ranger, but that was it. He forgot about the pen and the offense. 

Its over.

Saying the only good move was Ranger is silly. Sonny and Contreras have been great moves so far. Breslow just needed to trade Duran and add a real 3b at the very least. 

[moonslav59]

13 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Saying the only good move was Ranger is silly. Sonny and Contreras have been great moves so far. Breslow just needed to trade Duran and add a real 3b at the very least. 

If we could have traded Duran for Paredes, we'd be a better team, but maybe not a lot better.

With Paredes, we probably would not have signed IKF or traded for Durbin.

With Crochet on the IL and bello sucking, along with Houck, Crawford & Sandoval missing the season, we kinda needed Ranger and Sonny.

[FredLynn]

21 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Saying the only good move was Ranger is silly. Sonny and Contreras have been great moves so far. Breslow just needed to trade Duran and add a real 3b at the very least. 

I’ll agree on Contreras-as a complimentary piece to what we really needed. Gray? Meh. He is just ok. I suspect he’ll spend a lot of time on the IL this year because of his age and because the players have understandably given up already. It has to be difficult to put forward your best effort when management isn’t doing their part. Demoralizing I’m sure. This is absolutely one of the worst franchises in all of sports.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

If we could have traded Duran for Paredes, we'd be a better team, but maybe not a lot better.

With Paredes, we probably would not have signed IKF or traded for Durbin.

With Crochet on the IL and bello sucking, along with Houck, Crawford & Sandoval missing the season, we kinda needed Ranger and Sonny.

It kind of leads to a domino effect where Masa plays everyday, there's a professional RHB at 3b and some of the other moves don't need to happen. DHam is on the roster instead of IKF. Harrison is still here or used in a trade for an upgrade elsewhere. 

Crochet and Anthony were relied on to have really good seasons and that didn't happen. 😔

[Duran Is The Man]

10 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

Salary relief? Nobody’s going to take him with the way his contract is structured. He’s makes $6M this year, $8.5M in 2027, $16M in 2028 and $19M in 2029.  There’s also a $21M club option in 2030 with a $1M buyout.  
 

The Sox would have to pay 90% of that money for someone to take him.  There’s no salary relief.

 

and proof the extension to "lock him up" was stupid as hell. i figure before it's over they'll be eating some of his and Campbell's contracts. 

[Randy Red Sox]

10 hours ago, illinoisredsox said:

Salary relief? Nobody’s going to take him with the way his contract is structured. He’s makes $6M this year, $8.5M in 2027, $16M in 2028 and $19M in 2029.  There’s also a $21M club option in 2030 with a $1M buyout.  
 

The Sox would have to pay 90% of that money for someone to take him.  There’s no salary relief.

 

oops

[Randy Red Sox]

47 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Saying the only good move was Ranger is silly. Sonny and Contreras have been great moves so far. Breslow just needed to trade Duran and add a real 3b at the very least. 

Contreras has been a great move??

[moonslav59]

23 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

It kind of leads to a domino effect where Masa plays everyday, there's a professional RHB at 3b and some of the other moves don't need to happen. DHam is on the roster instead of IKF. Harrison is still here or used in a trade for an upgrade elsewhere. 

Crochet and Anthony were relied on to have really good seasons and that didn't happen. 😔

I think with Paredes, we'd do one of the other deals: IKF or Durbin.

[moonslav59]

1 minute ago, Randy Red Sox said:

Contreras has been a great move??

He's #1 in 1B defense.

He's #6 in wRC+ and OPS among 1Bmen.

He's #4 in fWAR for 1Bmen (1.4) and is at a 1.6 bWAR.

Couple these numbers with just how bad our 1B position has looked over recent years, and yes- a GREAT MOVE!

[Randy Red Sox]

1 minute ago, moonslav59 said:

He's #1 in 1B defense.

He's #6 in wRC+ and OPS among 1Bmen.

He's #4 in fWAR for 1Bmen (1.4) and is at a 1.6 bWAR.

Couple these numbers with just how bad our 1B position has looked over recent years, and yes- a GREAT MOVE!

i didn't say he was a bad move just that he wasn't really a GREAT move.

[mvp 78]

22 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

Contreras has been a great move??

He's on pace for 30 HR and plays some of the best 1b defense in MLB. 

[moonslav59]

25 minutes ago, Randy Red Sox said:

i didn't say he was a bad move just that he wasn't really a GREAT move.

I think going from being about the worst at 1B for several years to #4 is great... not good.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

19 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

The Unknown Comic.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

3 hours ago, Old Red said:

Masa was odd man out before little Anthony got hurt, and now he’s odd man out for the Great Gasper. Story, and Masa the gifts from Bloom that keeps on giving.

Tears on my pillow.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

14 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

the Sox are 9-10 under Tracy. the Phillies are 15-4 since Don Mattingly took over.

the PHils managerial change seemed to have made a difference. the Sox under Tracy? not so much.

The Phils have cream that most knew would eventually rise to the top.

The Sox are skim milk