Red Sox front office did something right. They got rid of Devers.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

I thought we'd be at that point, but it looks rough this season with Roman and Crochet out, plus bad juju with other pitcher injuries and young guys potentially needing IP limits. Just a weird year.

I kinda feel like we have to expect no Anthony or Crochet return, and if anyone (Early will be on an IP limit, Oviedo, Crawford & Houck are long shots and IKF & Sogard are utility types.) other than Suarez returns, it won't be really significant.

Only Suarez and Contreras will help, IMO.

If we trade, we cannot trade based on thinking _____ & Anthony should be enough or ______ and Crochet should be enough.

[mvp 78]

6 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

I kinda feel like we have to expect no Anthony or Crochet return, and if anyone (Early will be on an IP limit, Oviedo, Crawford & Houck are long shots and IKF & Sogard are utility types.) other than Suarez returns, it won't be really significant.

Only Suarez and Contreras will help, IMO.

If we trade, we cannot trade based on thinking _____ & Anthony should be enough or ______ and Crochet should be enough.

Anthony could come back and contribute, but there is no timetable. He could keep rehabbing and need surgery in a few weeks. He could rehab, be fine and be back in the lineup right away. Hard to forecast. 

I'd be surprised if Crochet came back and was anything more than a backend starter. It's going to take quite a long time to get him ready even if he was healthy today. 

1. Long toss

2. Bullpens with rest

3. Live pitch to hitters

4. Rehab starts

That timeline is already 45 days or so. It's like starting ST all over again.

[moonslav59]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Anthony could come back and contribute, but there is no timetable. He could keep rehabbing and need surgery in a few weeks. He could rehab, be fine and be back in the lineup right away. Hard to forecast. 

I'd be surprised if Crochet came back and was anything more than a backend starter. It's going to take quite a long time to get him ready even if he was healthy today. 

1. Long toss

2. Bullpens with rest

3. Live pitch to hitters

4. Rehab starts

That timeline is already 45 days or so. It's like starting ST all over again.

Yup, and with Anthony, I'm already thinking surgery was likely the best option, if done 2 months ago.

We simply cannot make deadline plans based on the idea that either will help us. That's one major reason I'm still leaning "sell."

Suarez will help, but he's barely been gone, so we can't look at him as a major boost, except it may force Rivera or Sandoval to the pen, and help there- again- nothing major. I don't count Contreras as even being missing.

Story? LOL, He may bring us down.

Casas? LOL!!!

Oviedo, Crawford or Houck? Nope.

Sogard? I'd rather have Seigler & Monasterio.

IKF? He was doing well before going on the IL, and should be an upgrade over Cheng, but he'll be a platoon SS hitting about .700 at best. That's not a major gain.

The best two hopes for "help" might be Early and Mayer, and mayer is a huge question mark on projected value. Early may need surgery.

[Maxbialystock]

On 5/7/2026 at 11:58 AM, Bellhorn04 said:

Agreed, it looks like a clear win.  And Raffy is reportedly exhibiting some of the same behaviors as in Boston, blowing off the media etc.  

You never know, he could turn around those 2026 numbers yet.  It's a hard game and a long season.

As of the ASG break, he is ranked 14th in MLB in total bases and leads the Giants in rbi's.  His DWAR is -0.3.  

 

 

[moonslav59]

6 minutes ago, Maxbialystock said:

 

Devers is not even top one-third in OPS among 149 qualifying players. He's 54th.

He may turn it around. He's still young enough to have a couple big years and maybe a couple more decent ones, but for a team that pinches pennies, I'm glad we are rid of that contract and the headache.

[jad]

Having grown up (and never past) the sixties, I find it very odd that the word 'insubordination' is used here in a purely negative sense.  So 'virtue', then, is obeying your boss, bowing to authority, doing what you're told ...  WTF has happened to this country?  

[Duran Is The Man]

3 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

Yup, and with Anthony, I'm already thinking surgery was likely the best option, if done 2 months ago.

We simply cannot make deadline plans based on the idea that either will help us. That's one major reason I'm still leaning "sell."

Suarez will help, but he's barely been gone, so we can't look at him as a major boost, except it may force Rivera or Sandoval to the pen, and help there- again- nothing major. I don't count Contreras as even being missing.

Story? LOL, He may bring us down.

Casas? LOL!!!

Oviedo, Crawford or Houck? Nope.

Sogard? I'd rather have Seigler & Monasterio.

IKF? He was doing well before going on the IL, and should be an upgrade over Cheng, but he'll be a platoon SS hitting about .700 at best. That's not a major gain.

The best two hopes for "help" might be Early and Mayer, and mayer is a huge question mark on projected value. Early may need surgery.

can we start calling him Frail Crochet now? i almost wish we'd never traded so much for him. guy can't even stay on the field. like Casas ....damn near useless.

[moonslav59]

1 hour ago, jad said:

Having grown up (and never past) the sixties, I find it very odd that the word 'insubordination' is used here in a purely negative sense.  So 'virtue', then, is obeying your boss, bowing to authority, doing what you're told ...  WTF has happened to this country?  

This is no moral dilemma. 

He sucked at 3B and thought he was good.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

1 hour ago, jad said:

Having grown up (and never past) the sixties, I find it very odd that the word 'insubordination' is used here in a purely negative sense.  So 'virtue', then, is obeying your boss, bowing to authority, doing what you're told ...  WTF has happened to this country?  

You got it all wrong. If women keep their virtue -- and patience is a virtue -- then men are the patients.

[notin]

1 hour ago, jad said:

Having grown up (and never past) the sixties, I find it very odd that the word 'insubordination' is used here in a purely negative sense.  So 'virtue', then, is obeying your boss, bowing to authority, doing what you're told ...  WTF has happened to this country?  

So you think Devers should get paid $30mill per year to suck at half his job and be difficult about it?

[Old Red]

9 minutes ago, notin said:

So you think Devers should get paid $30mill per year to suck at half his job and be difficult about it?

More cheese with that WHINE. 😭😂🤮

[Old Red]

2 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

can we start calling him Frail Crochet now? i almost wish we'd never traded so much for him. guy can't even stay on the field. like Casas ....damn near useless.

 

28 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

This is no moral dilemma. 

He sucked at 3B and thought he was good.

Ah the pot calling the kettle black. You hide behind the curtain, and post by the thousands, and think you’re good.🙈

[moonslav59]

4 hours ago, Duran Is The Man said:

 i almost wish we'd never traded so much for him. guy can't even stay on the field. like Casas ....damn near useless.

It's insubordination!

😄

[jad]

11 hours ago, notin said:

So you think Devers should get paid $30mill per year to suck at half his job and be difficult about it?

Yup.  They signed a contract,  There is no clause in there that he has to kiss the asses of his bosses.  But apparently the contract a number of posters signed for their employers did in fact contain that clause.

[mvp 78]

11 hours ago, notin said:

So you think Devers should get paid $30mill per year to suck at half his job and be difficult about it?

He was the same player before and after he signed his contract. Why would a contract change how he plays? That doesn't make sense at all. Should the Sox sign Duran for 30M AAV and say "well, now you are required to stop sucking at hitting" and expect him to hit?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

8 minutes ago, jad said:

Yup.  They signed a contract,  There is no clause in there that he has to kiss the asses of his bosses.  But apparently the contract a number of posters signed for their employers did in fact contain that clause.

Hey! NO POLITICS.

(just in case there are politicians posting here hiding behind nicknames)

[notin]

49 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

He was the same player before and after he signed his contract. Why would a contract change how he plays? That doesn't make sense at all. Should the Sox sign Duran for 30M AAV and say "well, now you are required to stop sucking at hitting" and expect him to hit?

The Sox knew he was not going to stay at 3b and eventually move to first when he signed his contract, which was why their first offer resembled the extension Matt Olson had just signed with Atlanta. 
 

No one in the organization thought of signing him to that deal because he played a great 3b, or even an acceptable 3b. They signed him because he was an elite hitter and because Bogaerts and Betts left for very little.  Moving to 1b appeared to always be a Sox goal, but Devers refused to accept it.   The Sox weren’t asking him to become a great 3b; they were asking him to be the same hitter that he had always been, but as a 1b, like many players before him had done…

[moonslav59]

2 hours ago, jad said:

Yup.  They signed a contract,  There is no clause in there that he has to kiss the asses of his bosses.  But apparently the contract a number of posters signed for their employers did in fact contain that clause.

Players are expected to play where the team thinks they'd best help. Agreeing with the idea does not come into play.

I'm a big union guy and was an officer in a union for several years. I fought for worker's rights many times, but when a worker refuses to do his job, there is no defense.

[Old Red]

3 hours ago, notin said:

The Sox knew he was not going to stay at 3b and eventually move to first when he signed his contract, which was why their first offer resembled the extension Matt Olson had just signed with Atlanta. 
 

No one in the organization thought of signing him to that deal because he played a great 3b, or even an acceptable 3b. They signed him because he was an elite hitter and because Bogaerts and Betts left for very little.  Moving to 1b appeared to always be a Sox goal, but Devers refused to accept it.   The Sox weren’t asking him to become a great 3b; they were asking him to be the same hitter that he had always been, but as a 1b, like many players before him had done…

Still wha, wha, wha, wha. I don’t think the Red Sox were planning on moving Raffy off 3B anytime soon, and when they did I don’t know if there was ANY plan to move him to 1B, but to DH when it happened. DH would have been his best position, which is what he was doing, and is where he should have stayed. No one they were going to put there would have better, so you weaken the team. Their first offer meant nothing as they only offered Bogey a 1 yr extension at the same time. In the end he was signed as a 3B, and nothing else.

[Old Red]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Players are expected to play where the team thinks they'd best help. Agreeing with the idea does not come into play.

I'm a big union guy and was an officer in a union for several years. I fought for worker's rights many times, but when a worker refuses to do his job, there is no defense.

Raffy was playing where CORA told him to play, and after a record bad start was doing quite well there. Casas being hurt shouldn’t have changed that , but bresLOW thought he knew best. He DIDN’T.

[Hugh2]

31 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Still wha, wha, wha, wha. I don’t think the Red Sox were planning on moving Raffy off 3B anytime soon, and when they did I don’t know if there was ANY plan to move him to 1B, but to DH when it happened. DH would have been his best position, which is what he was doing, and is where he should have stayed. No one they were going to put there would have better, so you weaken the team.

You don't know? They moved him to DH because it was open and they had an opportunity to get an all star level defender there.  And it worked, Bregman was great.....then Casas got hurt and Devers (who it had been said for a while was destined for 1B) was asked to move to 1B. 

We can argue all day about who is to blame, and what is what but it is very knowable what happened. 

The plan was for Raffy to DH, then Casas got hurt and the plan changed. 

[notin]

31 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Still wha, wha, wha, wha. I don’t think the Red Sox were planning on moving Raffy off 3B anytime soon, and when they did I don’t know if there was ANY plan to move him to 1B, but to DH when it happened. DH would have been his best position, which is what he was doing, and is where he should have stayed. No one they were going to put there would have better, so you weaken the team.

From 2022

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/red-sox-matt-olson-comparable-rafael-devers-contract/

From that article:

“The reason the Red Sox used this deal as a comp, according to Speier, is because the team views Devers as a first baseman or designated hitter in the long-term view.”

 

And now you do know…

[Old Red]

2 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

You don't know? They moved him to DH because it was open and they had an opportunity to get an all star level defender there.  And it worked, Bregman was great.....then Casas got hurt and Devers (who it had been said for a while was destined for 1B) was asked to move to 1B. 

We can argue all day about who is to blame, and what is what but it is very knowable what happened. 

The plan was for Raffy to DH, then Casas got hurt and the plan changed. 

The plan changed for bresLOW, but NOT Cora. Cora knew Raffy best, and I’m was never a big Cora fan, but I’ve always gone with Cora on this one.  The Red Sox had problems at 1B for a few years now, and, that’s how Franchy ended up there.

[Old Red]

13 minutes ago, notin said:

From 2022

https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/red-sox-matt-olson-comparable-rafael-devers-contract/

From that article:

“The reason the Red Sox used this deal as a comp, according to Speier, is because the team views Devers as a first baseman or designated hitter in the long-term view.”

 

And now you do know…

And as I said he ended up signing for 3B money, so I don’t believe there was any plan to move him anytime soon.

[Hugh2]

2 minutes ago, Old Red said:

The plan changed for bresLOW, but NOT Cora. Cora knew Raffy best, and I’m was never a big Cora fan, but I’ve always gone with Cora on this one.  The Red Sox had problems at 1B for a few years now, and, that’s how Franchy ended up there.

So what was Coras plan for 1B then?

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So what was Coras plan for 1B then?

Huh? The same one they used. Did Raffy ever play there?🤔

[drewski6]

19 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

You don't know? They moved him to DH because it was open and they had an opportunity to get an all star level defender there.  And it worked, Bregman was great.....then Casas got hurt and Devers (who it had been said for a while was destined for 1B) was asked to move to 1B. 

We can argue all day about who is to blame, and what is what but it is very knowable what happened. 

The plan was for Raffy to DH, then Casas got hurt and the plan changed. 

The plan was for Bregman to play second, and Raffy to play 3b. But Raffy's shoulder was already showing issues in spring training, and it hadnt healed enough over the offseason, so Raffy was temporarily moved to DH and Bregman to 3b, and KC to 2b - but it was originally intended to be temporary.  Then with Bregman playing well, it started to feel permanent.

[notin]

4 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Huh? The same one they used. Did Raffy ever play there?🤔

The plan was Casas.

The crazy part is no one ever said his move to 1b would be permanent.  Certainly no one knew how long Casas would be out….

[drewski6]

11 minutes ago, Hugh2 said:

So what was Coras plan for 1B then?

Casas.

[Hugh2]

15 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Huh? The same one they used. Did Raffy ever play there?🤔

I rest my case....