Red Sox Fire Manager Alex Cora, Five Others In Shocking Housecleaning

[jdc69]

2 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

I think bres-slow’s offseason was, for the most part,  money!!!! But he should have done more to sure up the bullpen!! 

I think some of the pitchers were hurt by a lack of work caused by the wbc:   Suarez, Whitlock, weissert, and bello!  
Innings jump 24 to 25 has given crochet a bit of a dead arm. 

i think the hitters got caught in the middle of a power play between bres-slow and Cora. 
 

bres-slow - wanting to develop the youngsters (hitting, fielding, base running and other fundamentals development),  while adhering to the philosophy of drivetime (launch angles and hitting the ball in the air)!  

cora - veteran loyalty. Time served and dues paid. Youngsters have to earn playing time, very little working with the youngsters on developing fundamentals, because Cora thinks big leaguers should know this stuff already. 
and most importantly, Cora and fatse not emphasizing the principles of drivetime! 
 

I think bres-slow’s philosophy is the best route for our team going forward and I think he is trying to unify the organization top to bottom under his one philosophy! The problem is bres-slow is a poor communicator and really needs to enroll in a dale Carnegie course!!!  

Even a half crappy philosophy is better than two competing philosophies. I think the Cora firing is good if only for that reason. 

I agree with Coras philosophy about playing veterans but for a different reason, which is to bring up the prospects slowly so they dont get overwhelmed from the new experience. Seems like common sense.

[moonslav59]

9 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

You forgot Bichette instead of Durbin.

Yup, with Mayer/Romy at 3B.

Us armchair GMs suck the most, yet are the most vocal about firing Brez.

[mvp 78]

15 hours ago, drewski6 said:

Really, we are 8 years into a rebuild and it feels like we are in year 1 or 2.

8 years? 2019 wasn't a rebuild year. 

[mvp 78]

10 hours ago, Larry Cook said:

I think bres-slow’s offseason was, for the most part,  money!!!! But he should have done more to sure up the bullpen!! 

I think some of the pitchers were hurt by a lack of work caused by the wbc:   Suarez, Whitlock, weissert, and bello!  
Innings jump 24 to 25 has given crochet a bit of a dead arm. 

i think the hitters got caught in the middle of a power play between bres-slow and Cora. 
 

bres-slow - wanting to develop the youngsters (hitting, fielding, base running and other fundamentals development),  while adhering to the philosophy of drivetime (launch angles and hitting the ball in the air)!  

cora - veteran loyalty. Time served and dues paid. Youngsters have to earn playing time, very little working with the youngsters on developing fundamentals, because Cora thinks big leaguers should know this stuff already. 
and most importantly, Cora and fatse not emphasizing the principles of drivetime! 
 

I think bres-slow’s philosophy is the best route for our team going forward and I think he is trying to unify the organization top to bottom under his one philosophy! The problem is bres-slow is a poor communicator and really needs to enroll in a dale Carnegie course!!!  

The bullpen is a little light, but the starters aren't doing them any favors in the early part of the season. 

[drewski6]

13 hours ago, JoeBrady said:

It's Boston.  He got a hit in the opening game of the series, and they assumed he was a 1.000 OPS hitter.  He's the same Hammy he has always been.  A very good bench piece but a marginal fulltime piece.

Folks in here must Olympic figure skaters from the number of 180s I've seen.

In a battle of who is at fault between Cora and Breslow over DHam, Joe Brady is here to blame us.

[drewski6]

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

Yup, with Mayer/Romy at 3B.

Us armchair GMs suck the most, yet are the most vocal about firing Brez.

In a red sox era that has significantly more last place finishes than playoff series wins, joe brady and moon are here to remind us that we cant be frustrated because some of the players we wanted but didnt get have gone south for the teams that did get them.

[mvp 78]

 

[Hugh2]

Sox are 2-0 since the firing.....BreSLOW is a guiness 😎

[Old Red]

11 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

 

Cora can just sit back, and collect his paycheck from JH for the next two years.

[Bellhorn04]

Francona lasted 8 seasons.

Cora made it through 7.17 seasons.

[mvp 78]

5 minutes ago, Old Red said:

Cora can just sit back, and collect his paycheck from JH for the next two years.

Now that he doesn't have a job, he'll drink about half of it. 

[mvp 78]

Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

Francona lasted 8 seasons.

Cora made it through 7.17 seasons.

Francona should have stayed longer. Maybe they could have offered him a year sabbatical? 

[mvp 78]

Rumor is that Phillies offered Cora the job and he turned it down.

[Old Red]

4 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Rumor is that Phillies offered Cora the job and he turned it down.

Wanted to spend more time with the family.

[Old Red]

25 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Now that he doesn't have a job, he'll drink about half of it. 

What kind of liquor bill do you think they rang up when Cora, and the coaches went out to drown out their sorrows in the NORTH END?🤔

[mvp 78]

7 minutes ago, Old Red said:

What kind of liquor bill do you think they rang up when Cora, and the coaches went out to drown out their sorrows in the NORTH END?🤔

From Drellich's book on the HOU scandal:

 

[Old Red]

14 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

From Drellich's book on the HOU scandal:

 

Most likely any similar scenarios in is Boston days sooner than later will come out.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2 hours ago, drewski6 said:

In a red sox era that has significantly more last place finishes than playoff series wins, joe brady and moon are here to remind us that we cant be frustrated because some of the players we wanted but didnt get have gone south for the teams that did get them.

Some posters love to cite stats to show how ex-Red Sox or almost-Red Sox or coveted-by Red Sox are doing elsewhere.

I'm the voice of reason and treason: not all of those numbers would necessarily transfer verbatim if the same player was batting in the Red Sox line-up at mostly Fenway Park and facing more AL East foes, and also in their ballparks. And not getting to hit against Bello.

It's also worth considering other factors, like is it harder or easier to hit the longball in other ballparks? Ex: New York's old Polo Grounds where fences were 483 feet to CF and 258 down the line in RF. If you were a righty pull hitter there, it was only 279 feet to LF... but then once your Giants moved to San Francisco's Candlestick Park, the wind was always blowing in from left.

 

[Old Red]

6 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Some posters love to cite stats to show how ex-Red Sox or almost-Red Sox or coveted-by Red Sox are doing elsewhere.

I'm the voice of reason and treason: not all of those numbers would necessarily transfer verbatim if the same player was batting in the Red Sox line-up at mostly Fenway Park and facing more AL East foes, and also in their ballparks. And not getting to hit against Bello.

It's also worth considering other factors, like is it harder or easier to hit the longball in other ballparks? Ex: New York's old Polo Grounds where fences were 483 feet to CF and 258 down the line in RF. If you were a righty pull hitter there, it was only 279 feet to LF... but then once your Giants moved to San Francisco's Candlestick Park, the wind was always blowing in from left.

 

Agree on the stats. Raffy most likely would have put up much better stats if he would have stayed in a Red Sox uniform than what he’s put up in a SF uniform since he left IMO.

[jgar658]

Cora declined the job to manage Philadelphia.  Perhaps Cora  wanted to be fired due to burn out.

In any event i am loving watching RS again.  

 

Pitching:

Tolle

Crochet

Early

Ranger

Four solid starters.

Bello in the toilet.

Loving the Cuban missile again this year. Hated him when he was not a Red Sox.

[notin]

22 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

Some posters love to cite stats to show how ex-Red Sox or almost-Red Sox or coveted-by Red Sox are doing elsewhere.

I'm the voice of reason and treason: not all of those numbers would necessarily transfer verbatim if the same player was batting in the Red Sox line-up at mostly Fenway Park and facing more AL East foes, and also in their ballparks. And not getting to hit against Bello.

It's also worth considering other factors, like is it harder or easier to hit the longball in other ballparks? Ex: New York's old Polo Grounds where fences were 483 feet to CF and 258 down the line in RF. If you were a righty pull hitter there, it was only 279 feet to LF... but then once your Giants moved to San Francisco's Candlestick Park, the wind was always blowing in from left.

 

Just ask Vic Wertz and Dusty Rhodes about the Polo Grounds…

[sk7326]

1 hour ago, Old Red said:

Most likely any similar scenarios in is Boston days sooner than later will come out.

undoubtedly the Globe will leak it if true 

[moonslav59]

5 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

8 years? 2019 wasn't a rebuild year. 

Had they trade Betts, that summer, would it count as one?

[moonslav59]

31 minutes ago, sk7326 said:

undoubtedly the Globe will leak it if true 

or false.

[mvp 78]

26 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

Had they trade Betts, that summer, would it count as one?

Sure.

[Larry Cook]

16 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

To add to the pen, then no IKF signing, or no Oviedo trade- trade for a pen arm not him.

Or maybe none of the bullpen arms available enticed bres-slow enough?? 
 

regardless, I still think he gets another shot at improving the bullpen at the trade deadline 

[Kimmi]

4 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

Francona should have stayed longer. Maybe they could have offered him a year sabbatical? 

I love both Francona and Cora.  IMO, both are very good players managers, which also IMO, is far more important than being a good in-game strategist.  That said, perhaps it was time for Francona to go when he did.  And perhaps it was time for Cora to go, not that the underperformance of the team is necessarily his fault.

I think I am more upset by the disrespect that Varitek is feeling from the team.  By all accounts, he is one of the hardest-working coaches in baseball.  I'm not sure what his "re-assignment" is all about.  Re-assign him to future manager of the team.

[moonslav59]

31 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Or maybe none of the bullpen arms available enticed bres-slow enough?? 
 

regardless, I still think he gets another shot at improving the bullpen at the trade deadline 

True.

Also, if Oviedo was healthy & doing well, we'd have a starter to move to the pen.

[moonslav59]

8 minutes ago, Kimmi said:

I love both Francona and Cora.  IMO, both are very good players managers, which also IMO, is far more important than being a good in-game strategist.  That said, perhaps it was time for Francona to go when he did.  And perhaps it was time for Cora to go, not that the underperformance of the team is necessarily his fault.

I think I am more upset by the disrespect that Varitek is feeling from the team.  By all accounts, he is one of the hardest-working coaches in baseball.  I'm not sure what his "re-assignment" is all about.  Re-assign him to future manager of the team.

100%

VTek could have been given the interim manager job,

[drewski6]

19 minutes ago, moonslav59 said:

100%

VTek could have been given the interim manager job,

Nobody wants to work for that stiff.